when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

[ResidentAlien]

it's looking that way. But What I can't figure out why does once saved always also preach God needs to tempt you or test you , if your saved.

That's a good question; and there are a good many others that OSAS can't answer.

 

[kleronomos]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

That is the war that has been from the beginning, taking the TRUTHS that found in "IT IS WRITTEN" and putting someMans or even Satans spin on them. That is what we are to fight against. Short cuts and the reason for so many false prophets.

No one can deny that once saved it is eternal. IN THE END that is one of Gods Truths
yet those who defend it don't realize 'the doctrine' is but another one of the traditions of man.

If God wanted us teaching OSAS he would have left out all the IFs, something else no one can deny. So with every short cut a lie may be formed. Every word not taught as 'it is written' falls under the same problem.


What IS WRITTEN about OSAS

Philippians 3:10 That I may know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 NOT AS THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, either were already perfect but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.


THAT IS HOW WE ARE TAUGHT TO TEACH.

SO YOU SEE, OSAS falls under HATH GOD SAID and it is a manner of MAN SPEAK, SO US, Christs men who are to spread the good news, should not be teaching it. It is a doctrine that makes void the words of God, at the very least a whole bunch of 'ifs'.

Faith comes by HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD, the words of God are the only words that give us HIS TRUTH. THOSE who love HIM OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS.

(and so the 'we are not under the law' discussion begins...sure enough to be followed by the 'works salvation'. Next time you see it ASK, 'What does that mean? and how does that work')



WHERE DO WE FIND OUR REST? GODS TRUTHS. WHAT DO WE TEACH? Gods words. Why? So we can come to unity.

Isaiah 28:5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

THEY WOULD RATHER TEACH THE DOCTRINES/CONCLUSIONS OF MEN. GODS words are meant to enter the eyes and ears as IT IS WRITTEN.

 

[JohnRH]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

doctrinE

 

[Heaven_Bound]

OSAS is one of those ingrained traditions that will never get uprooted; it's too much a part of Americanity. You just have to accept it.

Agreed, but thankfully, it's only a part of 4 major Denominations. Everyone else knows what it really stands for.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you,
Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For
God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.

First of all, I am using your Verse example for a point but it is in no way directed at you!


I love this Verse and example because we learn a couple things here.

1. Satan has to ask God for permission to try us [like Job, but in Job God mentioned to Satan before Satan tested him]

2. Jesus said, HE PRAYS Peter's Faith won't fail.

So what does that tell us, it tells us that Peter is Saved, but his Faith could fail. If our Faith can fail, then OSAS is a False Doctrine!

If our Faith can fail, then Eternal salvation is a False Doctrine!, because we can fail and lose our faith in God, even after being Saved and Secure in God.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

First of all, I am using your Verse example for a point but it is in no way directed at you!


I love this Verse and example because we learn a couple things here.

1. Satan has to ask God for permission to try us [like Job, but in Job God mentioned to Satan before Satan tested him]

2. Jesus said, HE PRAYS Peter's Faith won't fail.

So what does that tell us, it tells us that Peter is Saved, but his Faith could fail. If our Faith can fail, then OSAS is a False Doctrine!

If our Faith can fail, then Eternal salvation is a False Doctrine!, because we can fail and lose our faith in God, even after being Saved and Secure in God.

Maybe this why Jesus also reminded us:

Not everyone who calls Him [[LORD]] will be Saved!

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth. the will of my Father which is in heaven.
^
DOESN'T EVERYONE WHO THINKS AND PROFESSES TO BE SAVED CALL JESUS, LORD?

 

[RichMan]

Will one of you who believe salvation is not eternal please explain to me what causes a person to lose his salvation?
Have any of you lost your salvation?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Will one of you who believe salvation is not eternal please explain to me what causes a person to lose his salvation?
Have any of you lost your salvation?

I am not claiming it because i ride the altar because i know i am a sinner. Paul said, he was the chief sinner, but i believe i am second in line to that!

Paul said he CRUCIFIED HIS FLESH DAILY!
That is called Repenting of Sins DAILY!

 

[de-emerald]

We are tempted by the world, the flesh, and the devil.

These are the 3 forces that Jesus Himself were tempted by in the desert.

God certainly allowed these temptations to come to His Son, so I have no idea why the OP thinks they wouldn't also tempt us.

hi @PennEd I remember you as a good member here and I have on many times been helped out by your replies,. I know that you help others here and form a bond with people helping to bring down bad doctrins, so please could you give a brief explanation and answer in this link to the thread below , after you have given it some thought for me please, https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...he-tempter-or-given-the-title-tempter.204036/. Also anyone else taking part could you all do the same please.

 

[RichMan]

I am not claiming it because i ride the altar because i know i am a sinner. Paul said, he was the chief sinner, but i believe i am second in line to that!

Paul said he CRUCIFIED HIS FLESH DAILY!
That is called Repenting of Sin DAILY!

That second place is very crowded!

 

[Heaven_Bound]

That second place is very crowded!

Amen!

 

[RichMan]

Over the years I have met some who believe salvation can be lost, but I have never had anyone who was able to explain when that would happen nor have I met anyone who would admit that they had lost their salvation.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Over the years I have met some who believe salvation can be lost, but I have never had anyone who was able to explain when that would happen nor have I met anyone who would admit that they had lost their salvation.

Jesus told Peter he could lose his faith.

So, it's not on God's end that we lose salvation, but on our own end.

 

[RichMan]

Jesus told Peter he could lose his faith.

So, it's not on God's end that we lose salvation, but on our own end.

See post 32.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Over the years I have met some who believe salvation can be lost, but I have never had anyone who was able to explain when that would happen nor have I met anyone who would admit that they had lost their salvation.

If you believe a False Doctrine that teaches Eternal Security and OSAS, you don't think that you can lose your Salvation. when you think you have a guarantee, you relax and do things you would not do that could allow Satan to enter into the picture and cause you to lose their Faith.

So, if people are not admitting it, it's because they are taught wrong or that they never have been in a place where they could lose their Salvation.

 

[RichMan]

Jesus told Peter he could lose his faith.


So, it's not on God's end that we lose salvation, but on our own end.

What you are saying is that our eternal salvation in not really in the hands of Jesus, but in our own hands. It is dependent what we do or do not do.
If that is true, we have no hope.
My hope is in Jesus and His promise.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

It's like winning the lottery and you begin buying things before turning in your ticket.
But you go to turn in your ticket and somehow you lost it.
Now you are stuck with the things you bought but cannot pay for it.

 

[RichMan]

If you believe a False Doctrine that teaches Eternal Security and OSAS, you don't think that you can lose your Salvation. when you think you have a guarantee, you relax and do things you would not do that could allow Satan to enter into the picture and cause you to lose their Faith.

So, if people are not admitting it, it's because they are taught wrong or that they never have been in a place where they could lose their Salvation.

So answer post 32. If you believe salvation can be lost you must know when and how.
Have You ever lost your salvation?

 

[Heaven_Bound]

What you are saying is that our eternal salvation in not really in the hands of Jesus, but in our own hands. It is dependent what we do or do not do.
If that is true, we have no hope.
My hope is in Jesus and His promise.

No, Jesus said He prayed for Peter.
But it is still up to Peter to keep the Faith and Believe.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

So answer post 32. If you believe salvation can be lost you must know when and how.
Have You ever lost your salvation?

Yes I have!