Gift of Healing

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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Absolutely. The death rate per person is 1. We're all going to die.

Good grief, when I learned that I had cancer, I WAS RELIEVED! I was thankful!

Psalm 116:15 KJV - "Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints."

Ecclesiastes 7:1 KJV - "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."
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Praise the Lord!
I dont know anybody ( including me), who likes it to be sick, or to have pain. Yes there is a hope to be healed. But it is no guaratee while we live on earth. To claim something different is a lie.
I know brothers and sisters in Christ which died of cancer or heartattack. I know brothers and sisters in Christ which have pain everyday.
 
Aidan1

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CS1, with what you disagree if I may ask you?
 
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Aidan1 said:
CS1, with what you disagree if I may ask you?
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"But it is no guaratee while we live on earth. To claim something different is a lie."


There is a promise God will heal and will not allow us to suffer beyond what we can bear. A promise from God is more than a guarantee.
 
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CS1 said:
"But it is no guaratee while we live on earth. To claim something different is a lie."


There is a promise God will heal and will not allow us to suffer beyond what we can bear. A promise from God is more than a guarantee.
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Well, that's one way to interpret that passage.
 
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CS1 said:
"But it is no guaratee while we live on earth. To claim something different is a lie."


There is a promise God will heal and will not allow us to suffer beyond what we can bear. A promise from God is more than a guarantee.
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Thank you, but you forget the sentence before: " Yes, there is a hope to be healed. But it is no guaratee while we live on earth."
That God is carrying us through the life difficulties is not the point. I believe this too.
The point was that there is no promise from God given that Christians will not be sicknor have a desease free life.
And a famous example for this is the apostle Paul.
 
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Aidan1 said:
Thank you, but you forget the sentence before: " Yes, there is a hope to be healed. But it is no guaratee while we live on earth."
That God is carrying us through the life difficulties is not the point. I believe this too.
The point was that there is no promise from God given that Christians will not be sicknor have a desease free life.
And a famous example for this is the apostle Paul.
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Again we have a promise from God which is far greater than man's context of a Guarantee. I guess you think God wants one to suffer to prove their love to them? Life has its challenges no one is suggesting otherwise. The word of God does not tell us we will be free from affliction but God will deliver the US out of them all. You don't believe that that is you. The word of God says
By HIS stripes I am healed

Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all.

Ps34:19

I looked up that word ALL and Deliver it MEANS deliver FROM THE ALL! You don't agree that is you BUT the word of God don't use the term Guarantee it uses without faith it is impossible to please HIM.


You are more of a secular kind of guy, not me. One who states God can do it BUT doesn't anymore. YOU say you have faith in God yet There is no guarantee. I refuse to exercise my faith in such a half-baked cake way.

I prefer to be LIKE Shadrack, Meshach, and that Bad Chicano who said OUR GOD IS ABLE!!!

AND EVEN IF HE DON"T, I will not bow down to the false narrative there is no guarantee. I have heard many oxymoron statements before but that one is guaranteed to be unbiblical.
 
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Aidan1 said:
Thank you, but you forget the sentence before: " Yes, there is a hope to be healed. But it is no guaratee while we live on earth."
That God is carrying us through the life difficulties is not the point. I believe this too.
The point was that there is no promise from God given that Christians will not be sicknor have a desease free life.
And a famous example for this is the apostle Paul.
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I have horrible Tinnitus . . . goes on every second of the day and night. Just last night I prayed that God would relieve me of this wretched thing. And though I pray, and though I KNOW that He can take this incredible burden away, I do not expect it. As Paul states, it is a reminder that God's Circumcision of the Heart, His Grace, is sufficient for me. I must Endure this suffering, along with my physical pains as I get older. To Endure is a most Holy Word. Who will Endure this wretched . . . physical . . . world or decay?
 
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PIck one. both of them is found in the word of God four times. They both work
 
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Jesus' death was to provide eternal life and receive a glorified body just like his. which is eternal body Jesus told the disciple to touch HIm and see HE is real. Healing is a return to its natural state of being, Jesus will heal us permanently when he glorifies us in HIM at HIS coming.
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Yes but when do you get this glorified new body? As to why in context it is spiritual as I said.
 
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Yes but when do you get this glorified new body? As to why in context it is spiritual as I said.
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it is literal. Jesus is a life with a real body that we will be able to touch. We do not hold to Gnosticism.
 
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The law of thermodynamics came about in the fall. We all fall to decay except the few in scripture who were instantly taken to Heaven. Even the resurrections that wasn't Jesus still came to death. God may allow a miracle to come to pass through temporary healing but not always. Miracles were performed to increase faith same as today. Either to increase faith or to help bring unbelievers into faith. God gains all the glory and a miracle has to be by definition something beyond the natural order. It will be without question obvious from God. But it is all centered on salvation. Salvation being the goal, either death or Christ's return must take place. Death occurs in many ways and God at some point allows it to come to pass to either bring us home or the sinner to Hell.
 
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CS1 said:
it is literal. Jesus is a life with a real body that we will be able to touch. We do not hold to Gnosticism.
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It is literal but we are talking about right now in this body the ability to be healed. That is why in context the stripes being Jesus's sacrifice was to heal us of sin. Then once the old physical body is either dead or transformed we will see a new body.

As of right now we are still in our physical unglorified bodies.
 
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CS1 said:
it is literal. Jesus is a life with a real body that we will be able to touch. We do not hold to Gnosticism.
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Gnosticism a religious movement characterized by a belief in gnosis, through which the spiritual element in man could be released from its bondage in matter: regarded as a heresy by the Christian Church .
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
As Jesus once said by your faith the blind man was healed.
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Regarding the healing miracles of Christ, there were many who had no faith in Him and did not expect any healing, yet He simply healed them. The man who was blind from birth outside the temple is in fact a good example of one who had no expectations. I'm not sure which blind person you are referring to -- perhaps blind Bartimaeus -- who was the opposite of this other man and clamored for healing.

As to healings for today, Christians should really follow what James has revealed in James 5:13-18:

THE PRAYER OF FAITH WILL HEAL THE SICK CHRISTIAN
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
It is literal but we are talking about right now in this body the ability to be healed. That is why in context the stripes being Jesus's sacrifice was to heal us of sin. Then once the old physical body is either dead or transformed we will see a new body.

As of right now we are still in our physical unglorified bodies.
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the human body has healing in it God made it that way you ever break a bone? you set it and it heals don't you? unless there is a defect in the body or scrim
 
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CS1 said:
it is literal. Jesus is a life with a real body that we will be able to touch. We do not hold to Gnosticism.
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I stand with you @CS1 - I do believe healing is available today and everyday on planet Earth in Christ.

Why else would God make sure one of the many gifts of the Holy Spirit that is to flow in the Body of Christ NOW on the Earth be…….THE GIFT OF HEALING. :love:(y)

Doubt is rejecting Truth.
Faith is receiving Truth.

Which one (doubt or faith) is a heart where the Holy Spirit is welcomed and can distribute and operate with His gifts? :unsure:
 
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the human body has healing in it God made it that way you ever break a bone? you set it and it heals don't you? unless there is a defect in the body or scrim
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Have you ever heard of people who don't go to the hospital because they believe that Jesus can cure diseases? Of course, this may be a good way for the church to win people to believe in Jesus, but some people don't think so. If they don't go to the hospital when they are sick, they probably have a bad brain,and they will ask:"Why they believe in such a Jesus?"

A way to get people to believe in Jesus doesn't work for others.........
 
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CS1 said:
the human body has healing in it God made it that way you ever break a bone? you set it and it heals don't you? unless there is a defect in the body or scrim
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Amen!

The Body of Christ is the same! The Holy Spirit’s gift of Healing is for the Body of Christ. :love:(y)
 
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But if the Gift of healing means Spiritual healing then it works for everyone.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
The law of thermodynamics came about in the fall. We all fall to decay except the few in scripture who were instantly taken to Heaven. Even the resurrections that wasn't Jesus still came to death. God may allow a miracle to come to pass through temporary healing but not always. Miracles were performed to increase faith same as today. Either to increase faith or to help bring unbelievers into faith. God gains all the glory and a miracle has to be by definition something beyond the natural order. It will be without question obvious from God. But it is all centered on salvation. Salvation being the goal, either death or Christ's return must take place. Death occurs in many ways and God at some point allows it to come to pass to either bring us home or the sinner to Hell.
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No! The gift of Miracles is to edify and build up the Body of Christ.

The World gets the Good News of the Gospel- Salvation in Jesus Christ alone.
If they believe and receive Jesus Christ, then they become like us - part of the many membered Body of Christ.

The Body of Christ gets the Holy Spirit and gifts of the Holy Spirit. We’re not orphans, we get the Holy Spirit - the Promise of the Father- the Spirit of Truth - our Helper, Comforter, Teacher….
 
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