The Lord's Prayer Misunderstood

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Hello,

I'm about to post a very important find that God guided me to, over many years of studying the Bible in a non-denominational way; without interference from churches or pastors or priests. The Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4 is not getting the respect it deserves from Christians and churches. This is God Himself telling us how to pray, and pray it daily. And what do we do? We ignore it. Is that belief in Jesus?

I have been studying the Bible diligently over 30 years. I humbly ask everyone to take a moment to read it carefully, and look at the Biblical references within, which clearly support this new find. Please don't scan it quickly and just answer what you know or what your church taught you without regard to the Biblical evidence provided.

Thank you!
 
#2
The Lord’s Prayer Misunderstood
Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4

[9]This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father who are in heaven, hallowed be your name, [10]your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. [11]Give us this day our daily bread [12]and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us. [13]Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

The “daily bread” is not our earthly necessities. The “Daily Bread” is the Body of Jesus.
This part of the prayer is one sentence:
“Give us this day our daily Bread and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
The forgiveness of sins is the result of receiving the daily Bread, which is the Bread of life that God gives (John 6:32-33).

Jesus would never instruct us to pray for earthy necessities, as clear from His teachings throughout the bible. Example, sermon on the mount: “don’t worry about earthly needs, but seek God first…” (Matthew 6:31-33)

It is obviously implied to say the Lord’s Prayer “daily”. It would be disrespectful of us not to say it daily. Do you truly believe in Him when you’re not saying this prayer daily as He instructed?

You don’t have to chew on actual bread like some churches advise. You can receive God’s bread of life spiritually, by genuinely saying the Lord’s Prayer acknowledging the meaning of every word in it.

You might say, "what's the difference? as long as we pray the prayer." Oh there is a huge difference. Our spiritual communication with God is about what we mean. The words are meaningless unless we mean what they are in our hearts.

If you examine the original Aramaic version of this prayer, you’ll find two important facts:

1. No punctuation. Punctuation was added later in the translation. And in the case of this prayer, the translators made an error by adding a period between “…daily Bread” and “and forgive us…” There should be no punctuation there. Not because I said so, but because of all the Bible references (provided here below) that are consistent with that.

2. There were two words: “sins” and “trespasses”. “Sins” was used in reference to God. We trespass against humans, but we “sin” against God! Trespass is a soft word that lessens the significance of the offense, but when it comes to God, it is a deadly offense; proper word for it is “sins”. Jesus used the word “sins” throughout the scripture, not “trespasses”(example in John 9:41). So it’s not “… forgive us our trespasses…” It is “… forgive us our sins…”


Bible references supporting this:
“daily Bread” = Body of Jesus, not earthly necessities


1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:16-17
Paul said: …there is one loaf… we all share the one loaf.

2 Corinthians 4:16:
Paul said: …Even though our outer person is being destroyed, our inner person is being renewed day by day.

John 6:32-33 and 6:51
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you Moses didn’t give you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.” “For the bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever. The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

John 6:57
…the one who “feeds” on me… Using the term “feeds” implying continual. [… give us this day our daily Bread…]

John 6:58
Contains a very clear explanation showing a parallel between the Bread (His body) and the manna in the desert, which couldn’t be hoarded more than one day (Exodus 16:4). Thus, God’s desire for our daily dependence on Him.

John 15:5
The branch is continually nourished by the Vine. Jesus is the vine, and we are the branches. Without the Lord’s Prayer daily, a branch will wither and die.

Luke 11:13
Jesus said this right after he taught them His prayer. God is giving the Holy Spirit, “to those who ask Him”. It doesn’t get much clearer than this. Obviously, God will not give you the Holy Spirit unless you ask. But Jesus is clarifying here that by renewing yourself (daily through His prayer), you’ll cleansed and make-way to receive the Holy Spirit.

John 6:26-27
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jesus said this after they had been looking for Him all day, then found Him. Another big evidence that the "earthly bread", is not it in the Lord's prayer.

John 6
The entire Chapter 6 from John is all about this. The Pharisees did not get it then; Jesus knowing they did not get it, kept drilling it in with more of actual eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood throughout the chapter. And today you'd think we got it! But most churches and people still don't understand it. At best churches just call it: "basically He died for our sins..." or some other blanket statement like that. But no one knew to link it to the "daily Bread" in the Lord's prayer! Which provides our continuous feeding on Him. And keeping Him in us, and us in Him (John 15:4). This is so big, not to be taken lightly.


Wording crafted by God Himself

Many Christians think, “surely Jesus gave us this prayer as an example. That He didn’t mean for us to repeat it daily!”
He did!!; He [God] Personally word-smithed the words perfectly. Exactly as He did throughout history. After the fall He taught Adam and Eve how to present a sacrifice fitting to Him, He crafted the Leviticus law to Moses that had to be followed precisely, and finally the Lord’s Prayer, which is the optimum method compared to previous covenants. It's a prayer that we say in our hearts once a day. It keeps us close to God, and fulfills John 5:24: "Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."

After saying the Lord’s Prayer, the communication channels with God become wide open (through the Holy Spirit within us of course). Afterwards we can say our own prayers using our words, making our request known to God… And He will answer.

I can guess why this prayer is no longer recited daily (except occasionally at some sports games, as a tradition). It is because people are well provided for these days. And therefore, feel they don’t need to bother God by asking for the daily bread anymore (implying earthly necessities), as they have plenty of them now. And that is a sad fact of today’s people.

The other sad fact is, many people today equate earthly blessings to spiritual blessings - they drive up in their latest model SUVs to the biggest church in town… When it is the exact opposite. Having a lot of earthly riches actually equates to going to hell later (Matthew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”"), unless God is truly in the center of our lives.

Accepting this Biblical-fact: that a true believer must pray the Lord’s Prayer daily may seem difficult at first. This is because most churches have brainwashed people for years into thinking “do nothing, nothing at all, just mark the front of your Bible with the date you were saved / born-again / etc.”. This daily prayer to God is not “works”. It is obedience of a true believer. No wonder there is no peace on earth yet (Luke 2:14). No one has been praying it properly.


Miracles happen when we pray the Lord’s Prayer

The moment we say this prayer we become "Righteous" in the eyes of God, and therefore become standing in the presence of God (through the Holy Spirit within us) (Luke 1:19, 1Kings 18:15).

A true believer can perform miracles at this moment.

This is how Jesus performed miracles:
Step 1: Forgive sins
Step 2: Miracle
Mark gave us a glimpse of this in Mark 2:5, 11, & 12. Without Step1, can’t do Step2.

So, for us it is:
Step 1: The Lord’s Prayer for the forgiveness of sins
Step 2: In the name of Jesus Christ… miracle

But without the main ingredient, faith, nothing can be done. Even Jesus Himself could not perform miracles where there was no faith among people of that town (Mark 6:5).

He instructed His followers; to perform miracles in His name (John 14:12-14, Mark 16:17-18, Mark 9:39).

Go ahead, start praying this prayer daily. And pray it again in the presence of someone in need of a miracle. And don't freak-out when the miracle happens, it would show lack of faith. Jesus said we can move mountains (Matthew 17:20), and that we will do greater miracles than the ones He did! That's right, that's what Jesus said in John 14:12-14. And also in Acts 2:17 “’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams."

We are there now; much closer to the "last days" now than they were back when Acts was written. I believe praying the Lord's Prayer properly will usher-in this new generation of people as predicted in John and Acts.
 
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The Lord’s Prayer Misunderstood
Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4

[9]This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father who are in heaven, hallowed be your name, [10]your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. [11]Give us this day our daily bread [12]and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us. [13]Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

The “daily bread” is not our earthly necessities. The “Daily Bread” is the Body of Jesus.
This part of the prayer is one sentence:
“Give us this day our daily Bread and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
The forgiveness of sins is the result of receiving the daily Bread, which is the Bread of life that God gives (John 6:32-33).

Jesus would never instruct us to pray for earthy necessities, as clear from His teachings throughout the bible. Example, sermon on the mount: “don’t worry about earthly needs, but seek God first…” (Matthew 6:31-33)

It is obviously implied to say the Lord’s Prayer “daily”. It would be disrespectful of us not to say it daily. Do you truly believe in Him when you’re not saying this prayer daily as He instructed?

You don’t have to chew on actual bread like some churches advise. You can receive God’s bread of life spiritually, by genuinely saying the Lord’s Prayer acknowledging the meaning of every word in it.

You might say, "what's the difference? as long as we pray the prayer." Oh there is a huge difference. Our spiritual communication with God is about what we mean. The words are meaningless unless we mean what they are in our hearts.

If you examine the original Aramaic version of this prayer, you’ll find two important facts:

1. No punctuation. Punctuation was added later in the translation. And in the case of this prayer, the translators made an error by adding a period between “…daily Bread” and “and forgive us…” There should be no punctuation there. Not because I said so, but because of all the Bible references (provided here below) that are consistent with that.

2. There were two words: “sins” and “trespasses”. “Sins” was used in reference to God. We trespass against humans, but we “sin” against God! Trespass is a soft word that lessens the significance of the offense, but when it comes to God, it is a deadly offense; proper word for it is “sins”. Jesus used the word “sins” throughout the scripture, not “trespasses”(example in John 9:41). So it’s not “… forgive us our trespasses…” It is “… forgive us our sins…”


Bible references supporting this:
“daily Bread” = Body of Jesus, not earthly necessities


1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:16-17
Paul said: …there is one loaf… we all share the one loaf.

2 Corinthians 4:16:
Paul said: …Even though our outer person is being destroyed, our inner person is being renewed day by day.

John 6:32-33 and 6:51
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you Moses didn’t give you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.” “For the bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever. The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

John 6:57
…the one who “feeds” on me… Using the term “feeds” implying continual. [… give us this day our daily Bread…]

John 6:58
Contains a very clear explanation showing a parallel between the Bread (His body) and the manna in the desert, which couldn’t be hoarded more than one day (Exodus 16:4). Thus, God’s desire for our daily dependence on Him.

John 15:5
The branch is continually nourished by the Vine. Jesus is the vine, and we are the branches. Without the Lord’s Prayer daily, a branch will wither and die.

Luke 11:13
Jesus said this right after he taught them His prayer. God is giving the Holy Spirit, “to those who ask Him”. It doesn’t get much clearer than this. Obviously, God will not give you the Holy Spirit unless you ask. But Jesus is clarifying here that by renewing yourself (daily through His prayer), you’ll cleansed and make-way to receive the Holy Spirit.

John 6:26-27
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jesus said this after they had been looking for Him all day, then found Him. Another big evidence that the "earthly bread", is not it in the Lord's prayer.

John 6
The entire Chapter 6 from John is all about this. The Pharisees did not get it then; Jesus knowing they did not get it, kept drilling it in with more of actual eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood throughout the chapter. And today you'd think we got it! But most churches and people still don't understand it. At best churches just call it: "basically He died for our sins..." or some other blanket statement like that. But no one knew to link it to the "daily Bread" in the Lord's prayer! Which provides our continuous feeding on Him. And keeping Him in us, and us in Him (John 15:4). This is so big, not to be taken lightly.


Wording crafted by God Himself

Many Christians think, “surely Jesus gave us this prayer as an example. That He didn’t mean for us to repeat it daily!”
He did!!; He [God] Personally word-smithed the words perfectly. Exactly as He did throughout history. After the fall He taught Adam and Eve how to present a sacrifice fitting to Him, He crafted the Leviticus law to Moses that had to be followed precisely, and finally the Lord’s Prayer, which is the optimum method compared to previous covenants. It's a prayer that we say in our hearts once a day. It keeps us close to God, and fulfills John 5:24: "Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."

After saying the Lord’s Prayer, the communication channels with God become wide open (through the Holy Spirit within us of course). Afterwards we can say our own prayers using our words, making our request known to God… And He will answer.

I can guess why this prayer is no longer recited daily (except occasionally at some sports games, as a tradition). It is because people are well provided for these days. And therefore, feel they don’t need to bother God by asking for the daily bread anymore (implying earthly necessities), as they have plenty of them now. And that is a sad fact of today’s people.

The other sad fact is, many people today equate earthly blessings to spiritual blessings - they drive up in their latest model SUVs to the biggest church in town… When it is the exact opposite. Having a lot of earthly riches actually equates to going to hell later (Matthew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”"), unless God is truly in the center of our lives.

Accepting this Biblical-fact: that a true believer must pray the Lord’s Prayer daily may seem difficult at first. This is because most churches have brainwashed people for years into thinking “do nothing, nothing at all, just mark the front of your Bible with the date you were saved / born-again / etc.”. This daily prayer to God is not “works”. It is obedience of a true believer. No wonder there is no peace on earth yet (Luke 2:14). No one has been praying it properly.


Miracles happen when we pray the Lord’s Prayer

The moment we say this prayer we become "Righteous" in the eyes of God, and therefore become standing in the presence of God (through the Holy Spirit within us) (Luke 1:19, 1Kings 18:15).

A true believer can perform miracles at this moment.

This is how Jesus performed miracles:
Step 1: Forgive sins
Step 2: Miracle
Mark gave us a glimpse of this in Mark 2:5, 11, & 12. Without Step1, can’t do Step2.

So, for us it is:
Step 1: The Lord’s Prayer for the forgiveness of sins
Step 2: In the name of Jesus Christ… miracle

But without the main ingredient, faith, nothing can be done. Even Jesus Himself could not perform miracles where there was no faith among people of that town (Mark 6:5).

He instructed His followers; to perform miracles in His name (John 14:12-14, Mark 16:17-18, Mark 9:39).

Go ahead, start praying this prayer daily. And pray it again in the presence of someone in need of a miracle. And don't freak-out when the miracle happens, it would show lack of faith. Jesus said we can move mountains (Matthew 17:20), and that we will do greater miracles than the ones He did! That's right, that's what Jesus said in John 14:12-14. And also in Acts 2:17 “’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams."

We are there now; much closer to the "last days" now than they were back when Acts was written. I believe praying the Lord's Prayer properly will usher-in this new generation of people as predicted in John and Acts.
This is huge! Any true believer would be rejoicing with this corrected interpretation. The correction is wisdom from God. And the explanation is full of strong Bible references, guided by God. Please take a moment to look closer.
 

JaumeJ

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וְאַל תְּבִיאֵנוּ לִידֵי נִסָּיוֹן
וְשָׁמְרֵנוּ מִכָּל רַע
And do not lead us into the grasp of temptation
but keep us from all evil.

Perhaps my translation of the Lord's Prayer is in error, but here, there is no definite article, the, within the entire quote.
 

Blik

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The Lord’s Prayer Misunderstood
Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4

[9]This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father who are in heaven, hallowed be your name, [10]your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. [11]Give us this day our daily bread [12]and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us. [13]Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’ .
All scripture is true on several different levels, each level the truth. There is the historical level, the plain meaning, a deeper meaning, and a hidden meaning. None of these levels cancels he truth of any other level, and if we think it does then we are being incorrect in our understanding in some way.

Christ gave a condensation of the prayer that he said every day as a devote Jew. It is still said daily by Jews today, although I have been told they added to it so it includes something against Christ. You can read a copy of it on the net--it is called the Amidah or Standing Prayer.
 

arthurfleminger

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Hello,

I'm about to post a very important find that God guided me to, over many years of studying the Bible in a non-denominational way; without interference from churches or pastors or priests. The Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4 is not getting the respect it deserves from Christians and churches. This is God Himself telling us how to pray, and pray it daily. And what do we do? We ignore it. Is that belief in Jesus?

I have been studying the Bible diligently over 30 years. I humbly ask everyone to take a moment to read it carefully, and look at the Biblical references within, which clearly support this new find. Please don't scan it quickly and just answer what you know or what your church taught you without regard to the Biblical evidence provided.

Thank you!
I agree with you fully. I personally pray 'The Lord's Prayer' on a daily basis. However, at Christian services, in person or on TV, I rarely see or hear the 'Our Father' prayed. Here are some of my 'in depth' thoughts on The Lord's Prayer:

Jesus prayed that all Christians be one and we’re not very good at being united. But one thing that all Christians have in common is the prayer that Jesus taught us to pray, The Lord’s Prayer, The Our Father. There are great riches in anything God teaches us and surely in this prayer.

A problem with praying the Lord’s Prayer, is that, all of us know it so well that sometimes we don’t even think about what we are saying when we pray it. So I’d like to examine this prayer in detail, so that we can better understand it and pray it from the heart.

The prayer begins with our giving glory and praise to God, and then turns to our own needs.

The prayer starts “Our Father”, just two words, but they say many things. Jesus reveals to us that God is not just an all-powerful God and Creator, but that He is truly a real Father to each of us. Through Baptism and belief in Jesus, we have become adopted children of God the Father, Sons of God. And our relationship with the Father is a family relationship.

Notice, the prayer doesn’t start with “Father” or “My Father”. The prayer starts “Our Father” this tells us that each of us has the same Father in heaven. If this is the case, as sons and daughters of God, we are brothers and sisters with each other and also brothers and sisters with Jesus Christ, the Father’s only begotten Son.

God’s family is large, there are many angels and saints in heaven already; they are part of God’s family and part of our family also.

The prayer continues, “Who Art in Heaven”. God is everywhere, so why does Jesus refer to the Father as being in heaven? He wants us to raise our hearts and minds to heaven, because that is where we belong.

Heaven is the Father’s house to where we are all called. Jesus told us that He has prepared a place in heaven for all His disciples. He has prepared a place for us.

“Hallowed be Thy Name”; affirms that God’s name is all Holy. When we pray, Hallowed be Thy Name, we need to recognize that, as God’s children, everything we do reflects back on the Father’s Name. When we do good it reflects on His name, and when we do evil, that also reflects on His name. As His children, we should always desire to make the Father’s Name holy in our lives.

“Thy Kingdom Come”; “Thy Kingdom Come” doesn’t refer to some future event, it refers to the here and now. When Jesus started His ministry He told us, The Kingdom of God is at hand, it’s here, and He promised He would never leave us.

God’s kingdom is active right now, here on earth and over the whole universe.

All of us believe that whenever two or more are gathered in Jesus’ name, He’ll be present in their midst. Jesus is here with us now. And where Jesus, the King of Kings is, that is where you will find the kingdom of God. We are in God’s Kingdom right now. The Kingdom has come and we are part of the kingdom.

“Thy Will be Done on Earth as it is in heaven”; Here, we ask the Father to unite our wills to His.
The only thing in the universe that isn’t under God’s control is us. When God made us in His Own Image and He gave us free wills, to accept or reject Him and His Will.

Here, we pray that we may cooperate with the Father’s will in all our thoughts and actions. Most of the time, when we pray, we pray for what we want. When we pray Thy Will be done, we correct that selfish tendency.

And what is God’s will? The Father’s will is simple, it’s love, compassion, and mercy. Jesus summed up the Father’s Will when He said, “Love God with your whole heart and your neighbor as yourself.”

How important was the Father’s Will to Jesus? You know that it wasn’t Jesus’ will to suffer the crucifixion. He fell on His knees and asked the Father to take that cup away from Him, but He immediately added, Thy Will be done, not Mine. It was the very purpose why Jesus came to earth, to do the Father’s Will.

And the Father’s Will is very important for us also. Jesus told us clearly, “Many will call out to Him, Lord, Lord and would not be saved. But those that do the Will of the Father shall be saved.

“Give us this day our Daily Bread”; here we show our trust and dependence on the Father for all our physical and spiritual needs. We look to Our Father to give us what we need to sustain our physical lives, food, clothing, and shelter.

But more importantly, we ask the Father to give us what we need for our spiritual lives, we ask for Jesus Christ, the True Bread of Life. Jesus told us, “I am the true bread from heaven and whoever eats of this bread shall have eternal life. And I will abide in him and He in Me. And I will raise him up on the last day.”

“And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us”; this request to the Father is a two edged sword. We ask for God’s mercy and forgiveness, but only if we are merciful and forgiving to others.

Immediately after teaching the apostles ‘The Lord’s Prayer’ Jesus told them, “If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.“

Understand something about the nature of forgiveness. When we truly forgive others for the wrongs they have done to us, we’re not doing them any favors, but ourselves. When we forgive, we take away the chains of the stings, resentments, and the bitterness of the wrongs they have done to us. Our forgiveness frees us from things that make us miserable.

Forgiving our enemies does not mean having to be pals with them or even seeing them again. What it does mean is letting go of hatred and grudges. In your heart, wish your enemies well, say a prayer for them, and move on.

“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”; here we ask God to help us not to make the choices that lead to sin and separation from Him. We’re also asking the Father for more than help, we’re asking Him to take total control and deliver us from Satan when our life on earth ends.

“Amen”; is an affirmation that we sincerely believe and mean all we have prayed.

Notice that, when we pray the Lord’s Prayer, we are never praying just for ourselves, We don’t pray My Father, give me, forgive me, lead me. Instead we pray Our Father, give us, forgive us, lead us. We’re praying for all of our brothers and sisters, for all of God’s family.

Jesus taught us this prayer and promised that the Father hears our prayers. As His adopted children, we should pray to the Father with great confidence, offering Him praise, worship, and asking for the things we really need. We need to establish a trust and a relationship in the Father because He has the same responsibilities toward us as any Father has toward taking care of His children.



One last thought:

Jesus commanded us to love God with our whole heart and our neighbor as ourselves. Many Christians don’t understand the concept of Christian love of God and neighbor. Christian love should never be confused or mistaken for some kind of ‘warm fuzzy feeling’.

Instead, it’s a chosen and committed love, a lifestyle of selfless giving of ourselves.

We love God with our whole heart by giving ourselves to Him completely and by obeying His commandments. He is our God and we are His people.

We love our neighbor by doing unto them as we would have them do unto us, by giving of ourselves to those who need our help, even to people we don’t like and to our enemies.

Christian love includes respect for all and forgiveness of those who sin against us.

We show our Christian love of neighbor through our acts of charity and service for others, including those who we may not even know or like. It is the same love that Jesus showed for us on the cross.
 

arthurfleminger

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That's a great question. Why don't Christians pray The Lord's Prayer more often and especially at worship services?
 
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That's a great question. Why don't Christians pray The Lord's Prayer more often and especially at worship services?
Because it is an Outline of how we should pray, not a Commandment that we pray that exact Prayer.
 

jb

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The Lord's Prayer Misunderstood
It certainly is not a prayer that we say "rote" daily, but a "pattern" of how to pray, and indeed it was the "pattern" that our dear Lord used during His preparation at Nazareth and during His earthly ministry.

See Here
 

Nehemiah6

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The “daily bread” is not our earthly necessities. The “Daily Bread” is the Body of Jesus.
In the context of the Lord's Prayer, "our daily bread" is plainly our daily food or our daily provisions or necessities. It is not speaking about Christ the Bread of Life. Which means that there is really no misunderstanding. Here are some commentaries:

"But here it has a still more extensive meaning: for we ask not only that the hand of God may supply us with food, but that we may receive all that is necessary for the present life." -- John Calvin

To explain ἐπιούσιος (as Orig. ), ὁ ἐπὶ τὴν οὐσίαν τῆς ψυχῆς κατατασσόμενος, and understand the expression of the Eucharist primarily, or even of spiritual feeding on Christ, is to miss the plain reference of the petition to our daily physical wants. -- Henry Alford

...this signifies the whole subsequent time of life, and so furnishes us with a very commodious sense of this petition; which is, that God would give us, "day by day", as Luke expresses it, Luke 11:3 that is, every day of our lives, to the end thereof, a proper supply of food: or the meaning of it is, that God would give us, for the present time, such food as we stand in need of; is suitable to us, to our nature and constitution, state and condition, and is sufficient and convenient for us: -- John Gill

Give us this day our daily bread. Because our natural being is necessary to our spiritual well-being in this world, therefore, after the things of God’s glory, kingdom, and will, we pray for the necessary supports and comforts of this present life, which are the gifts of God, and must be asked of him, Ton arton epiousion—Bread for the day approaching, for all the remainder of our lives. Bread for the time to come, or bread for our being and subsistence, that which is agreeable to our condition in the world (Prov. 30:8), food convenient for us and our families, according to our rank and station. -- Matthew Henry
 
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All scripture is true on several different levels, each level the truth. There is the historical level, the plain meaning, a deeper meaning, and a hidden meaning. None of these levels cancels he truth of any other level, and if we think it does then we are being incorrect in our understanding in some way.

Christ gave a condensation of the prayer that he said every day as a devote Jew. It is still said daily by Jews today, although I have been told they added to it so it includes something against Christ. You can read a copy of it on the net--it is called the Amidah or Standing Prayer.
Hello Blik,
Hmm interesting about the Jews saying this prayer. I didn't think the Jews did anything Jesus instructed, unless they accepted Him as the awaited Messiah. Or it could be that they say it to mock it because they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.
In any case, for you though, do you believe you can do miracles right after you recite the Lord's Prayer? You can, because at that moment your sins are forgiven by the Body of Jesus. And you are capable to heal a sick person, for example, by declaring "in the name Of Jesus Christ".
 

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The Lord` Prayer has some great truths for us to learn of God and what His purpose is for Israel. It was for the people of Israel to pray -

Thy kingdom/rule come, for example. Israel was looking for their Messiah to come and rule through them. We the Body of Christ have received the Holy Spirit in our lives which is the Lord ruling in our hearts.

Also `forgive us as we forgive others...` For us we are forgiven because of Christ`s sacrifice, (which hadn`t happen then for Israel).

We can`t take teaching of the Lord to Israel pre-cross and apply them to ourselves post cross. That would nullify the work of Christ upon the cross.
 

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And now, the moment you've all been waiting for........................
 
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That's a great question. Why don't Christians pray The Lord's Prayer more often and especially at worship services?
Hello Arthurfleminger,
That is exactly the question I've been asking. So many churches don't see it. It is a crucial prayer, taught to us by God Himself. Which makes me question the validity of the church anymore these days. Sadly, people rely on their church for their spiritual needs, and trust that the church knows everything. Well, here is a simple guy like me, guided by God to see clearly, that we are missing the reciting of this prayer daily as instructed by Jesus. I have seen my life transform in amazing ways since I started praying this prayer daily. And also making sure to mean it correctly in my heart, the daily Bread is the body of Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. The daily Bread is not our earthy needs.
May God bless you, and continue to show you and all of us the right path.
 
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The Lord` Prayer has some great truths for us to learn of God and what His purpose is for Israel. It was for the people of Israel to pray -

Thy kingdom/rule come, for example. Israel was looking for their Messiah to come and rule through them. We the Body of Christ have received the Holy Spirit in our lives which is the Lord ruling in our hearts.

Also `forgive us as we forgive others...` For us we are forgiven because of Christ`s sacrifice, (which hadn`t happen then for Israel).

We can`t take teaching of the Lord to Israel pre-cross and apply them to ourselves post cross. That would nullify the work of Christ upon the cross.
Hello Marilyn,

I do appreciate your observances, good points, but I humbly disagree. Here is why:

1. Jesus was on earth for a short time. He would not confuse us with a prayer instruction not meant for everybody. Were we to expect Him to revise His prayer after His death? Or assume He'll say something like "surely they'll know what to do now..."

2. The more likely answer based on these Biblical references is that the prayer was for all of us (Jews and Gentiles, meaning the Christians of today). If you only have a bit of time to check a reference, look at John Chapter 6. The majority of this chapter is Jesus telling the Pharisees to eat His body (the Bread) and drink His blood. This was Jesus talking pre-cross, not post-cross. And look at these references:

1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:16-17
Paul said: …there is one loaf… we all share the one loaf.

2 Corinthians 4:16:
Paul said: …Even though our outer person is being destroyed, our inner person is being renewed day by day.

John 6:32-33 and 6:51
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you Moses didn’t give you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.” “For the bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever. The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

John 6:57
…the one who “feeds” on me… Using the term “feeds” implying continual. [… give us this day our daily Bread…]

John 6:58
Contains a very clear explanation showing a parallel between the Bread (His body) and the manna in the desert, which couldn’t be hoarded more than one day (Exodus 16:4). Thus, God’s desire for our daily dependence on Him.

John 15:5
The branch is continually nourished by the Vine. Jesus is the vine, and we are the branches. Without the Lord’s Prayer daily, a branch will wither and die.

Luke 11:13
Jesus said this right after he taught them His prayer. God is giving the Holy Spirit, “to those who ask Him”. It doesn’t get much clearer than this. Obviously, God will not give you the Holy Spirit unless you ask. But Jesus is clarifying here that by renewing yourself (daily through His prayer), you’ll cleansed and make-way to receive the Holy Spirit.

John 6:26-27
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jesus said this after they had been looking for Him all day, then found Him. Another big evidence that the "earthly bread", is not it in the Lord's prayer.

John 6
The entire Chapter 6 from John is all about this. The Pharisees did not get it then; Jesus knowing they did not get it, kept drilling it in with more of actual eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood throughout the chapter. And today you'd think we got it! But most churches and people still don't understand it. At best churches just call it: "basically He died for our sins..." or some other blanket statement like that. But no one knew to link it to the "daily Bread" in the Lord's prayer! Which provides our continuous feeding on Him. And keeping Him in us, and us in Him (John 15:4). This is so big, not to be taken lightly.
 

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Because it is an Outline of how we should pray, not a Commandment that we pray that exact Prayer.

I disagree, it is not an outline of how we should pray, it is a distinct prayer that Jesus taught His disciples and us to pray. He never commanded us to pray the Lord's Prayer, He just taught us the prayer. So, if you find some distaste with the prayer, you don't have to pray it.
 

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It certainly is not a prayer that we say "rote" daily, but a "pattern" of how to pray, and indeed it was the "pattern" that our dear Lord used during His preparation at Nazareth and during His earthly ministry.

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I agree that the Lord's Prayer should never be prayed by rote. When praying this prayer, one should be reflecting on it's deep meanings, offering glory and love to God and asking for the things we need. And it is a great idea to pray it daily. And for sure, The Lord's Prayer is not a pattern, but indeed a distinct prayer taught by Jesus. And, if you don't desire to pray this prayer, you don't have to.
 
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I disagree, it is not an outline of how we should pray, it is a distinct prayer that Jesus taught His disciples and us to pray. He never commanded us to pray the Lord's Prayer, He just taught us the prayer. So, if you find some distaste with the prayer, you don't have to pray it.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

See How Christ begins this?

After this Manner:

Does not mean EXACT, it means something like it!
 

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Well Folks -----I Agree that the Lords Prayer is very Misunderstood -------

Many pray the Lords Prayer ---this prayer is said in Churches all the time ------

First off ----For any unbeliever praying this pray -----hate to tell you but God is not their Father ----Satan is ------and that Folks is scriptural ------


John 8:43-44 AMP
43 Why do you misunderstand what I am saying? It is because [your spiritual ears are deaf and] you are unable to hear [the truth of] My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths.


SECOND
Hallowed Be your name ------so Hallowed in the Hebrew means ----to make Holy
hallow
HAL'LOW, v.t. L. calleo, to be able.
1. To make holy; to consecrate; to set apart for holy or religious use. Ex.28.29. 1 Kings 8.

I say --------So we see that this means -----to Make God's name HOLY --------how can we make God's name HOLY _____His Name is already Holy --------


The “daily bread” is not our earthly necessities. The “Daily Bread” is the Body of Jesus.
This part of the prayer is one sentence:
“Give us this day our daily Bread and forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who trespass against us.”
The forgiveness of sins is the result of receiving the daily Bread, which is the Bread of life that God gives (John 6:32-33).

I say -----
Are you really sure that this is the meaning of the Daily Bread in this Scripture
-----because it seems funny that Jesus who is alive yet is telling His Disciples to ask for the Body of Jesus daily ---when Jesus had not died yet ------and Jesus never had told them about the bread being his body until they sat at the Last supper ------the Disciples would not have understood what that was all about -----that would mean nothing to them at at time -----

I say ----that is is saying to the Disciples to rely on God to supply their daily Bread ---as Bread was a staple for the Jews and the scriptures talk much about God providing Manna from heaven --Bread ---to the Israelite's ----that the Disciples would understand

This is the Hebrew word for daily bread --

Strong's Concordance
epiousios: for the coming day, for subsistence​

Usage: for the morrow, necessary, sufficient.
1967 /epioúsios ("aptly substantive") only occurs in the Lord's Prayer. It refers to God's provision that is needed for each day (Mt 6:11; Lk 11:3) – literally, "bread that fits (meets) the unique demands of the coming day."


Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us -----

Again unbelievers saying this prayer is useless -----as they are away from God -----and God does not hear their prayers ---and that is Scriptural

I say ----In the Old Testament animal sacrifices were necessary for the forgiveness of sins ------and that was only for a year ------without the shedding of Blood there were no remissions of sin -----God may have forgiven certain people's sin who He chose to serve his purpose ---like Noah ---Abraham ---Moses ---John The Baptise ---Mary----but God put a law in place for the forgiveness of sin for the Israelite's -----

I say
Now--- today asking for God to forgive the sins of Born Again People is futile ------as our sins are already forgiven -----why would we keep asking for them to be forgiven by repeating the Prayer ----


You are actually Slapping God in the face ---by saying your in unbelief that Jesus paid the price for your sin by the shedding of His blood -----

AND ---- it is saying that people have to forgive all who have trespassed them ------to get God to even forgive their trespasses -----

And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from Evil

So Hebrew word for Temptation is ---

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
temptation, trial
From nacah; a testing, of men

I say ----Well again unbelievers asking God to not lead them into temptation is futile as they are away from God -----and with believers God does test His Children but always provides a way of escape and He never test us beyond what we can handle ------

And Deliver us from Evil -----

Hebrew word for Evil here is

Strong's Concordance
ra: evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity​
wickedness

I say ----For Believers today ---Jesus has already delivered us from Satan and the Curse ------so again why would we keep asking in this prayer for God to deliver us from Evil when we are already delivered ----Again it is like slapping God in the face saying ---I don't believe that Jesus delivered me from evil --

And for unbelievers ---they remain under Satan and the Curse -----so praying this prayer is futile for them

I say ----Praying this prayer after Jesus Shed His Blood and was crucified for Believers is not Right and for unbelievers it is futile ----the Prayer Jesus told His Disciples to pray was given because they wanted to know how to pray ----at that time -----They were Believers --not unbelievers --and that prayer was never ever prayed in scripture in a crowd setting ---there is not one time that Jesus or the Disciples told people to pray that prayer -----

Believers are doing an injustice to what Jesus accomplished on the Cross today by praying that Prayer -in my view ---

And God says in His word not to pray repetitive prayers

Matt 6:7
Berean Literal Bible
And praying, do not use vain repetitions like the pagans, for they think that in their many words they will be heard.