TONGUES is a precious gift from God
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Hello Shittim, 
Your definition of Christian is not necessarily accurate because of the many different stages of maturity which involves the renewing of our mind and love for God and others.
Many "backsliders" are Christian, they are need of putting God first - it's with God's Word and God's Holy Spirit that we mature and learn to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Jesus Christ.
All true believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have received the incorruptible Seed of the Word of God but, need to tarry for the empowering of the Holy Spirit by receiving the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Much like a cell phone - We're saved (God takes ownership of us - we belong to Jesus Christ) but, we need to be "activated" - empowered to work and operate - receive voice commands, send and receive messages, etc.
Christ came to the Earth to save us, the Holy Spirit is now doing a "work" on the Earth in all believers by guiding, counseling, teaching, instructing, correcting, comforting and empowering us to do the "works" of God in the "power" of God with God's "authority."
It's a process. I hesitate greatly to say someone is a Christian or not - that's God's department. He knows the difference between the wheat and the tares. We must grow up together until Harvest!
Your definition of Christian is not necessarily accurate because of the many different stages of maturity which involves the renewing of our mind and love for God and others.
Many "backsliders" are Christian, they are need of putting God first - it's with God's Word and God's Holy Spirit that we mature and learn to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Jesus Christ.
All true believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have received the incorruptible Seed of the Word of God but, need to tarry for the empowering of the Holy Spirit by receiving the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Much like a cell phone - We're saved (God takes ownership of us - we belong to Jesus Christ) but, we need to be "activated" - empowered to work and operate - receive voice commands, send and receive messages, etc.
Christ came to the Earth to save us, the Holy Spirit is now doing a "work" on the Earth in all believers by guiding, counseling, teaching, instructing, correcting, comforting and empowering us to do the "works" of God in the "power" of God with God's "authority."
It's a process. I hesitate greatly to say someone is a Christian or not - that's God's department. He knows the difference between the wheat and the tares. We must grow up together until Harvest!
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Hello Shittim,
Your definition of Christian is not necessarily accurate because of the many different stages of maturity which involves the renewing of our mind and love for God and others.
Many "backsliders" are Christian, they are need of putting God first - it's with God's Word and God's Holy Spirit that we mature and learn to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Jesus Christ.
All true believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have received the incorruptible Seed of the Word of God but, need to tarry for the empowering of the Holy Spirit by receiving the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Much like a cell phone - We're saved (God takes ownership of us - we belong to Jesus Christ) but, we need to be "activated" - empowered to work and operate - receive voice commands, send and receive messages, etc.
Christ came to the Earth to save us, the Holy Spirit is now doing a "work" on the Earth in all believers by guiding, counseling, teaching, instructing, correcting, comforting and empowering us to do the "works" of God in the "power" of God with God's "authority."
It's a process. I hesitate greatly to say someone is a Christian or not - that's God's department. He knows the difference between the wheat and the tares. We must grow up together until Harvest!
Your definition of Christian is not necessarily accurate because of the many different stages of maturity which involves the renewing of our mind and love for God and others.
Many "backsliders" are Christian, they are need of putting God first - it's with God's Word and God's Holy Spirit that we mature and learn to take up our cross, deny ourselves and follow Jesus Christ.
All true believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit and have received the incorruptible Seed of the Word of God but, need to tarry for the empowering of the Holy Spirit by receiving the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Much like a cell phone - We're saved (God takes ownership of us - we belong to Jesus Christ) but, we need to be "activated" - empowered to work and operate - receive voice commands, send and receive messages, etc.
Christ came to the Earth to save us, the Holy Spirit is now doing a "work" on the Earth in all believers by guiding, counseling, teaching, instructing, correcting, comforting and empowering us to do the "works" of God in the "power" of God with God's "authority."
It's a process. I hesitate greatly to say someone is a Christian or not - that's God's department. He knows the difference between the wheat and the tares. We must grow up together until Harvest!
Our model is the first century church and there are very few bodies of believers who model this. We are ALL called to heal, cleanse, cast out and do the work.
The goal to reach where people will look at us and see Jesus, not merely go to a place once a week and listen to someone talk about Jesus.
Great to see you sister!
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we cannot help what goes on when we are an infant...we both decided for Christ when we were capable of doing so
I was also taught that tongues were not for today, but that was not the end of it for me
a family member began a friendship with a woman who did speak in tongues and slowly my family began to see and understand more of the Bible and less of what 'denominations' teach
I am opposed to all the crazy things that sadly define so many things about that gift to too many people, but God is not the author of confusion...I believe you have quoted that yourself a few times in times past...and you are correct and I also believe that
in the end, a person has to decide for themself how to approach these things....I would be asking, and I was asking, how can there be such different opinions on this gift? so I decided to find out more about what the other side was saying and I prayed about it and I did begin to speak in tongues right away. I was alone....no one pressured me (I would have walked away because I like to make up my own mind and don't like force) and I knew it was real and that God had not only shown me it was real, but He had enabled me to have that gift also.
I am not a 'gift' seeker even though Paul in the NT tells us we should pray for certain gifts. basically I only want reality and the truth and God as He is and not as others see Him, but as He is
no one can force you Aidan....understand, please, that those of us who know tongues are real and who know there is abuse but still know that does not change what is real, are wanting to share what we have found because it has blessed us and brought us closer to God and we want to share that
why do people act crazy? I can only say it is because they do not follow the Bible and just accept any thing whispered into their ears as coming from God when the Bible tells us to 'test' the spirits because not everything we are going to hear is coming from God
I have heard plenty of what some people think is God and I know it is not....but be certain of one thing....people will hold onto their own experience, thoughts and beliefs for the most part as this and many other threads here have shown
I can relate both good and bad regarding the use of tongues...but none of that reflects on God....it reflects only on the person and we either bring glory or shame to God...the shame is in how others view the wrong use and people who think the gifts are all about them instead of for the building up of others who believe and at the same time benefitting the person who is praying or speaking or translating
anyway this is pretty long....I am sure you will have some difficulty understanding some of it and translation online is not always accurate, so please ask any questions you want...or not
I was also taught that tongues were not for today, but that was not the end of it for me
a family member began a friendship with a woman who did speak in tongues and slowly my family began to see and understand more of the Bible and less of what 'denominations' teach
I am opposed to all the crazy things that sadly define so many things about that gift to too many people, but God is not the author of confusion...I believe you have quoted that yourself a few times in times past...and you are correct and I also believe that
in the end, a person has to decide for themself how to approach these things....I would be asking, and I was asking, how can there be such different opinions on this gift? so I decided to find out more about what the other side was saying and I prayed about it and I did begin to speak in tongues right away. I was alone....no one pressured me (I would have walked away because I like to make up my own mind and don't like force) and I knew it was real and that God had not only shown me it was real, but He had enabled me to have that gift also.
I am not a 'gift' seeker even though Paul in the NT tells us we should pray for certain gifts. basically I only want reality and the truth and God as He is and not as others see Him, but as He is
no one can force you Aidan....understand, please, that those of us who know tongues are real and who know there is abuse but still know that does not change what is real, are wanting to share what we have found because it has blessed us and brought us closer to God and we want to share that
why do people act crazy? I can only say it is because they do not follow the Bible and just accept any thing whispered into their ears as coming from God when the Bible tells us to 'test' the spirits because not everything we are going to hear is coming from God
I have heard plenty of what some people think is God and I know it is not....but be certain of one thing....people will hold onto their own experience, thoughts and beliefs for the most part as this and many other threads here have shown
I can relate both good and bad regarding the use of tongues...but none of that reflects on God....it reflects only on the person and we either bring glory or shame to God...the shame is in how others view the wrong use and people who think the gifts are all about them instead of for the building up of others who believe and at the same time benefitting the person who is praying or speaking or translating
anyway this is pretty long....I am sure you will have some difficulty understanding some of it and translation online is not always accurate, so please ask any questions you want...or not
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you and I have had many discussions on this Wansvic and I don't know how many times it has been pointed out to you that a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit when they first believe
although I was only 5, my belief was real and accompanied by a minor 'miracle' to prove to me God heard me and I could trust Him
I was a bit precocious as a child and figured if God was real and if He could show me that, I would then immediately accept Him and that is what happened. Jesus said let the children come to me...and I did
it is not true that a person is not saved if they do not speak in tongues...that is what you believe and while I agree with the gift of tongues, I will not agree with you or anyone saying a person who is not 'baptized and speaking in tongues' is not saved...we both know that is what you mean by 'disconnected'
the ways and means of our salvation as individuals are many and there is only one way to be saved and one Name under Heaven by which we come to that salvation
notice, I did not say there are many ways to God. ONE Way, ONE truth and ONE Life given for us.
although I was only 5, my belief was real and accompanied by a minor 'miracle' to prove to me God heard me and I could trust Him
I was a bit precocious as a child and figured if God was real and if He could show me that, I would then immediately accept Him and that is what happened. Jesus said let the children come to me...and I did
it is not true that a person is not saved if they do not speak in tongues...that is what you believe and while I agree with the gift of tongues, I will not agree with you or anyone saying a person who is not 'baptized and speaking in tongues' is not saved...we both know that is what you mean by 'disconnected'
the ways and means of our salvation as individuals are many and there is only one way to be saved and one Name under Heaven by which we come to that salvation
notice, I did not say there are many ways to God. ONE Way, ONE truth and ONE Life given for us.
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Is it possible that Peter was "backsliding" when he denied Jesus 3 times....or when Jesus had to address Peter as "Satan get behind me"?
Then, there is Judas Iscariot that was chosen and Jesus knew he was a devil....and would betray Him. Judas Iscariot was a "tare" among the "wheat."
Yet, look at the disciple John...just focused on "loving" Jesus.....
ALL that follow Jesus Christ....only Jesus Christ knows who they REALLY are... we do not.
Our model is Jesus Christ. I'm keeping my eyes on Him!
The Holy Spirit is our Helper, watching over us. He will lead us and guide us into all Truth and empower us to do the works of Christ - heal, cleanse, cast out demons, preach the gospel, etc.
Much love to you Shittim! You are a blessing to me! It is an honor to be your sister in Christ!
Then, there is Judas Iscariot that was chosen and Jesus knew he was a devil....and would betray Him. Judas Iscariot was a "tare" among the "wheat."
Yet, look at the disciple John...just focused on "loving" Jesus.....
ALL that follow Jesus Christ....only Jesus Christ knows who they REALLY are... we do not.
Our model is Jesus Christ. I'm keeping my eyes on Him!
The Holy Spirit is our Helper, watching over us. He will lead us and guide us into all Truth and empower us to do the works of Christ - heal, cleanse, cast out demons, preach the gospel, etc.
Much love to you Shittim! You are a blessing to me! It is an honor to be your sister in Christ!
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I am glad that you could understand
oh believe me, there have been times I wish it would be over
if we agree in Christ...who He is and all that He has done for us....then it would seem we are still one in Him
while we struggle on this earth and wrestle...sometimes like Jacob in the wilderness demanding a blessing...it seems we can only agree in Him....and that is probably the best part anyway since He alone makes that possible
I will try to understand better....I hope you do also
oh believe me, there have been times I wish it would be over
if we agree in Christ...who He is and all that He has done for us....then it would seem we are still one in Him
while we struggle on this earth and wrestle...sometimes like Jacob in the wilderness demanding a blessing...it seems we can only agree in Him....and that is probably the best part anyway since He alone makes that possible
I will try to understand better....I hope you do also
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"Is it possible that Peter was "backsliding" when he denied Jesus 3 times....or when Jesus had to address Peter as "Satan get behind me"?"
It is my understanding before Holy Spirit came at Pentecost they were operating under Jesus authority, under His anounting, fulfilling the scripture "I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter", following Pentecost when Holy Spirit was poured out, then they would go to their death before denying Him.
Yes, Judas received the same anointing from Jesus, learned the same teachings , etc, and we know how that turned out. We all must 'wear well to the end".
blessings sister
It is my understanding before Holy Spirit came at Pentecost they were operating under Jesus authority, under His anounting, fulfilling the scripture "I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter", following Pentecost when Holy Spirit was poured out, then they would go to their death before denying Him.
Yes, Judas received the same anointing from Jesus, learned the same teachings , etc, and we know how that turned out. We all must 'wear well to the end".
blessings sister
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Yes. As you mentioned we disagree when a person actually receives the Holy Ghost. You mention people are sealed when they believe. But your and my understanding of what that means differs. Believe what is the question. Believing the entire message results in one receiving the Holy Ghost. Belief prompts action that brings about the sealing of the Holy Ghost.
I am convinced from the Word that a person does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believe the gospel message. Why? I'll provide a couple of the reasons. One, I am reminded of Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? This question indicates receiving the Holy Ghost does not automatically occur at the time one believes the gospel message. The Samaritan's did not receive the Holy Ghost when they believed either. Peter and John assisted in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost days after they believed Philip's message and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
i provided these as well as other scriptures previously so I don't imagine this post will change your mind. And that's ok.
I am convinced from the Word that a person does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believe the gospel message. Why? I'll provide a couple of the reasons. One, I am reminded of Paul's question to the Ephesus disciples: Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? This question indicates receiving the Holy Ghost does not automatically occur at the time one believes the gospel message. The Samaritan's did not receive the Holy Ghost when they believed either. Peter and John assisted in the Samaritans receiving the Holy Ghost days after they believed Philip's message and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
i provided these as well as other scriptures previously so I don't imagine this post will change your mind. And that's ok.
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