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That's what I said from the beginning.
But Pharisees can't know what Paul is explaining in Romans 7. Pharisees would absolutely reject it and quote psalm 119 and 1 John 5:3
Only a Christian can understand Romans 7. Its the whole reason the Law is the tutor that brings us to Christ. Along with 2 Corinthians 3, Galatians 3, and Hebrews 7.
But Pharisees can't know what Paul is explaining in Romans 7. Pharisees would absolutely reject it and quote psalm 119 and 1 John 5:3
Only a Christian can understand Romans 7. Its the whole reason the Law is the tutor that brings us to Christ. Along with 2 Corinthians 3, Galatians 3, and Hebrews 7.
Now I do commit sin in that no one keeps the letter of the law (by that definition of sin); but by the definition of Romans 7:6 (the spirit of the law) I do not commit sin; that is, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me; inasmuch as I do not walk after the flesh but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4).
And therefore, when Romans 7:6 is applied, I am not condemned by 1 John 3:5-9.
And I believe that the spirit of the law is what matters.
Even Jesus didn't keep the letter (John 5:18).
And therefore, when Romans 7:6 is applied, I am not condemned by 1 John 3:5-9.
And I believe that the spirit of the law is what matters.
Even Jesus didn't keep the letter (John 5:18).
To be honest, I still think we disagree as to who Paul the christian is speaking of, I believe he is speaking of Saul the Pharisee, whereas you believe he is speaking of Paul the Christian. However, your views are not ones that would crush new believers, and I am sure you do not demand of others what you do not demand of yourself, and that is what is important to me
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Post 617
I stated:
'''Well setting aside the wording of the fourth one, it simply means in our hearts we do not want to commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet etc. Those laws if you like are in our hearts and minds, they are part of our dna so speak, so no born again christian would need to be told they should obey the ten commandments, but there is much more in our hearts and minds than what is written in those laws'''
Justbyfaithstated:
I would agree with you there.
'''I would say that the law, as it relates to "law and gospel" in scripture, refers to every moral tenet that can be found in holy scripture.
And if it is written on our hearts and in our minds we will be obedient to it.'''
So, you stated every moral tenet in scripture is written in believers hearts and minds. And we will be obedient to it. And you just stated all of Christ's commands are moral tenets. Therefore, do you claim to obey each and every command of Christ in the Gospels?
I stated:
'''Well setting aside the wording of the fourth one, it simply means in our hearts we do not want to commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet etc. Those laws if you like are in our hearts and minds, they are part of our dna so speak, so no born again christian would need to be told they should obey the ten commandments, but there is much more in our hearts and minds than what is written in those laws'''
Justbyfaithstated:
I would agree with you there.
'''I would say that the law, as it relates to "law and gospel" in scripture, refers to every moral tenet that can be found in holy scripture.
And if it is written on our hearts and in our minds we will be obedient to it.'''
So, you stated every moral tenet in scripture is written in believers hearts and minds. And we will be obedient to it. And you just stated all of Christ's commands are moral tenets. Therefore, do you claim to obey each and every command of Christ in the Gospels?
So now you are once again going to have to try and explain away what you plainly wrote aren't you. Because you most certainly do not even try and obey each and every command of Christ in the Gospels. So you are certainly insisting of others what you do not insist of yourself.
Its so easy to just make bland statements that have nothing to do with the reality of ones life
Its so easy to just make bland statements that have nothing to do with the reality of ones life
Onesimus 63 wrote:
As I said:
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
justbyfaith then stated in response to the above:
You said that the faith of Christianity doesn't have reality in anyone's life.
Well I was right wasn't I. The way you quote scripture and the demands you make concerning it has no reality in your life or anyone elses. Because no one perfectly follows what is written, and neither can you. So you did indeed bear false witness about me
As I said:
All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.
justbyfaith then stated in response to the above:
You said that the faith of Christianity doesn't have reality in anyone's life.
Well I was right wasn't I. The way you quote scripture and the demands you make concerning it has no reality in your life or anyone elses. Because no one perfectly follows what is written, and neither can you. So you did indeed bear false witness about me
Interesting.
So, you are saying that no one can be obedient to the moral tenets that we find written about in holy scripture.
If that is the case, why even try?
We should just resign ourselves to the fact that we are sinners and set ourselves forth on a pathway towards sinning, more and more as the day approaches.
Whether I do so or not is irrelevant.
Because when we preach the law, we need to preach it as the full standard that it is and not to dumb it down; not even if we find that we ourselves do not perfectly live up to it.
Those who are under and of the law are required to obey every moral tenet from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
But those who believe are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.
Those who are in Christ have the love of the Lord shed abroad in their hearts (Romans 5:5). And this love, being not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within the heart of the believer (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).
Inasmuch as a Christian walks not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in him (Romans 8:4); and this includes the definition that I have given of the law in "law and gospel" which includes all of Christ's commands as moral tenets.
As for whether I personally claim to obey all of Christ's commands, if I said that I did, I wouldn't be perfect, would I?
Because it is the attitude of all those who are perfect that they have room to grow (Philippians 3:15 and context).
So, you are saying that no one can be obedient to the moral tenets that we find written about in holy scripture.
If that is the case, why even try?
We should just resign ourselves to the fact that we are sinners and set ourselves forth on a pathway towards sinning, more and more as the day approaches.
Whether I do so or not is irrelevant.
Because when we preach the law, we need to preach it as the full standard that it is and not to dumb it down; not even if we find that we ourselves do not perfectly live up to it.
Those who are under and of the law are required to obey every moral tenet from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
But those who believe are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.
Those who are in Christ have the love of the Lord shed abroad in their hearts (Romans 5:5). And this love, being not impractical (1 John 3:17-18) is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within the heart of the believer (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6; Romans 8:4).
Inasmuch as a Christian walks not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in him (Romans 8:4); and this includes the definition that I have given of the law in "law and gospel" which includes all of Christ's commands as moral tenets.
As for whether I personally claim to obey all of Christ's commands, if I said that I did, I wouldn't be perfect, would I?
Because it is the attitude of all those who are perfect that they have room to grow (Philippians 3:15 and context).
Post 703
Justbyfaithstated:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 712
Justbyfaith stated:
I know that I have been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus. It remains to be seen at what point I will be born of God since I do not claim to be perfect even as it would be true of one who is perfect
Post676
Justbyfaith stated:
As one who is born of God, I cannot sin (for as long as I abide in Him)...1 John 3:6,9
Yet justbyfaith continually states you cannot be born of God if you commit sin, you must be wholly sanctified before you can be born of God
Justbyfaithstated:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 712
Justbyfaith stated:
I know that I have been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus. It remains to be seen at what point I will be born of God since I do not claim to be perfect even as it would be true of one who is perfect
Post676
Justbyfaith stated:
As one who is born of God, I cannot sin (for as long as I abide in Him)...1 John 3:6,9
Yet justbyfaith continually states you cannot be born of God if you commit sin, you must be wholly sanctified before you can be born of God
Post 617
justbyfaith stated:
'''I would say that the law, as it relates to "law and gospel" in scripture, refers to every moral tenet that can be found in holy scripture.
And if it is written on our hearts and in our minds we will be obedient to it.'''
You also affirmed that all of Christ's commands in the Gospels are moral tenets. Therefore, you do not even try and obey each and every moral tenet you believe is written in your mind and placed on your heart, do you
justbyfaith stated:
'''I would say that the law, as it relates to "law and gospel" in scripture, refers to every moral tenet that can be found in holy scripture.
And if it is written on our hearts and in our minds we will be obedient to it.'''
You also affirmed that all of Christ's commands in the Gospels are moral tenets. Therefore, you do not even try and obey each and every moral tenet you believe is written in your mind and placed on your heart, do you
I do not see the need to continue this conversation as you have obviously run out of air.
I will leave you to the conviction of the Holy Spirit as you consider what I have preached to you.
For I know that when a seed is planted, it sometimes takes time to germinate and grow into a fruit-producing plant.
I will leave you to the conviction of the Holy Spirit as you consider what I have preached to you.
For I know that when a seed is planted, it sometimes takes time to germinate and grow into a fruit-producing plant.