The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Jer 3:14
".....I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion."
You attack the brethren over nothing.
You guys can not answer to the pretrib verses.
So you get all emotional and actually spread cursing.
Get a bible.
Get real
Lets go.
Stop all the weirdness.
A perfect example of a person deceived via omission of the pretrib rapture verses, then wildly ascribing deception to the other camp.
So silly.
Pot <> Kettle big time.
re read it
" removed/ revealed" is used 3 times in that part of 2thes2.
You know, so as to BE CLEAR???.
3 TIMES.
But no.
I do realize postribbers need "revealed " to actually mean seated, in power, for several years.
A COMPLETE perversion of what that is saying.
Postribbers have such a hard job.
But deception is fueling that doctrine.
It started in the early church. The deception was that they were confused and believed they were in the great tribulation.
CHERRY PICKER!!
Thank God for the Tanakh!
This is about BACKSLIDING, NOT ABOUT THE DEMONIC PRE-TRIB RAPTURE FALSE DOCTRINE BALONEY!
14 Return, backsliding children, says the Lord, for I possessed you, and I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
Nice.
Corresponds also with how Isaiah 24:21-22[23]'s TWO "PUNISH" words are separated by TIME (and the FIRST "PUNISH" word of this passage corresponds with the point in time told about in Rev19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 [i.e. Armageddon / His Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot]); this means that verse 23 speaks of that intervening TIME PERIOD (aka the earthly MK age), where it says, "... when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients GLORIOUSLY" [i.e. Matt25:31-34's (and Matt19:28's) "throne OF HIS GLORY"... which is earthly-located]... same as what Daniel 7:27 refers to (following the specific "time-period" mentioned in v.25 [vv.20-25], and with v.22 there in THAT context corresponding with Rev20:4a [about the STILL-LIVING saints at that point in the chronology / END of Trib-yrs]--whereas Rev20:4b speaks to those who will be "resurrected" for the MK, coz of having been "beheaded"/martyred during the second half of the Trib yrs [but these alone are not the ONLY ONES who will "reign with Christ" in the MK age, they are just the LAST ONES to have been KILLED prior to that])
Oops (EDIT to ADD what I's intended to add):
Gaebelein has this to say about your passage (
) :[quoting]
Jeremiah 3:12-18. Here is a message to be proclaimed toward the north, calling on backsliding Israel to return. He promises mercy to them. One hundred years before, the house of Israel had gone northward as captives. The Lord knew where they dwelt and sent them this message of mercy. He knows today where the house of Israel is, the ten tribes, and at some future time the gracious offer given here will be consummated in their return. These verses are prophetic. They speak of the time when the chosen people will return. Then Jerusalem will be called “the throne of the LORD.” Israel will be converted. All the nations will be gathered unto the Name of Jehovah; the house of Judah with the house of Israel will be reunited. That will be when the King our ever blessed Lord comes back. [i.e. His RETURN TO THE EARTH]
[end quoting]
-- https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/jeremiah/3.htm
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GREAT addition to the thought being covered in this aspect of our present discussion! THANKS, cv5!!
[p.s. NO ONE SAID that verse is the RAPTURE!! HELLO!]
Attention postribbers.
Drop your workbooks and visors for a second and Read the verses carefully;
2thes 2
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Revealed.
Lets look it up in websters
REVE'ALED, participle passive Disclosed; discovered; made known; laid open.
Now start test fitting all scenarios.
Pretrib rapture fits like a glove.
What about your position?
Drop your workbooks and visors for a second and Read the verses carefully;
2thes 2
for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Revealed.
Lets look it up in websters
REVE'ALED, participle passive Disclosed; discovered; made known; laid open.
Now start test fitting all scenarios.
Pretrib rapture fits like a glove.
What about your position?
Please pay attention to the flow of the convo... @cv5 was addressing what I'd put in the LATTER HALF of my post, which was clearly ABOUT ISRAEL (not "our RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]"<--He/cv5 was NOT saying that Jeremiah 3:14 is a RAPTURE passage, as you incorrectly ASSUMED him to be saying)!
Try to slow down and attempt reading with a little more care and attention to detail.
BACKSLIDING:
Jeremiah 3:
14 Return, backsliding children, says the Lord, for I possessed you, and I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
JUDGEMENT DAY GATHERING: [Notice Verse 13, when they are Gathered, they Prostrate before God, Rapture is Caught up, not Prostrating before God]
Isaiah 27:
12 And it shall come to pass on that day, that the Lord shall gather from the flood of the river to the stream of Egypt, and you shall be gathered one by one, O children of Israel.
13 And it shall come to pass on that day, that a great shofar shall be sounded, and those lost in the land of Assyria and those exiled in the land of Egypt shall come and they shall prostrate themselves before the Lord on the holy mount in Jerusalem.
NONE OF THOSE VERSES MEAN THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF PRE-TRIB RAPTURE!
Jeremiah 3:
14 Return, backsliding children, says the Lord, for I possessed you, and I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
JUDGEMENT DAY GATHERING: [Notice Verse 13, when they are Gathered, they Prostrate before God, Rapture is Caught up, not Prostrating before God]
Isaiah 27:
12 And it shall come to pass on that day, that the Lord shall gather from the flood of the river to the stream of Egypt, and you shall be gathered one by one, O children of Israel.
13 And it shall come to pass on that day, that a great shofar shall be sounded, and those lost in the land of Assyria and those exiled in the land of Egypt shall come and they shall prostrate themselves before the Lord on the holy mount in Jerusalem.
NONE OF THOSE VERSES MEAN THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF PRE-TRIB RAPTURE!
The kjv says the same thing.
Maybe keep reading;
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
Falling Away is Apostasy, which the Pre-Trib Rapture is exactly that, an apostasy to the Truth of God's Word.
And nothing happens until the Man of sin is Revealed.
The Man of sin [is not] Revealed until Tribulation Begins!
It is ONLY YOU who has incorrectly assumed that ANYONE has suggested that this passage [or these passages] refers to "Rapture"... when absolutely NO ONE has suggested such a thing!
READ those posts AGAIN.
That is because the Truth is not a Doctrine, only man made baloney is ever a Doctrine!
Yeah.Please pay attention to the flow of the convo... @cv5 was addressing what I'd put in the LATTER HALF of my post, which was clearly ABOUT ISRAEL (not "our RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]"<--He/cv5 was NOT saying that Jeremiah 3:14 is a RAPTURE passage, as you incorrectly ASSUMED him to be saying)!
Try to slow down and attempt reading with a little more care and attention to detail.
He jumped the gun thinking the bible was all perverted. Pulled that " tanak" like a sixgun and missed.
These Verses in another Thread were used by the same Posters as Pre-Trib evidence.
I am glad that View has changed!
My Apologies and Thank God those Views have changed towards those Verses.
Postrib rapture doctrine origin is the early church.
They thought they were in the gt.
So your doctrine is corrupt.
You guys quote the church fathers that were confused.
Comical how you guys BASE YOUR DOCTRINE on men....then virtue signal the daylights out of calling us names.
Comical classic irony.
Too funny
The word "DOCTRINE" is a biblical word:
"For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine " - 1 Timothy 1:10
[see its numerous occurrences... some of them referring to POSITIVE / RIGHTEOUS things, depending on CONTEXT] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=doctrine&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Were the church fathers postrib rapture?
You know, where you guys claim high ground on every debate?
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