The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[TheLordIsMyRedeemer]

I wouldn't mind being raptured! Who wouldn't? Question is what exactly are you
supposed to do to qualify? There are many books supporting the idea and arguing
about when it is supposed to happen but none of them spell this out. It seems to me
that it consists of some kind of divine lottery. I suppose I will have to wait and see if
I have a winning card or not.

Romans 10:9-10

“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

I would say just continue to trust in the Lord once you are born again of His Spirit. We repent when sin occurs in our walk with Jesus and He is faithful to forgive us (1 John:1:9).

Eph. 2:8-9
Eph 4:29-32
Gal. 3:26
2 Cor. 5:17
Rom. 8:9
Rom. 8:14-17
2 Tim. 2:11-13
1 Peter 1:3-4

 

[Runningman]

Only if the church actually goes through the GT.

And, clearly, the GT is God's wrath on a Christ-rejecting world (Zephaniah 1:14-15, Luke 21:23).

How do you account for saints in the GT?

 

[Absolutely]

I did read and I am sticking to what was said and what actually happened. Christ said to hide, they hid, and result escaped their 70 A.D. Tribulation. Pretty good Outline for us to follow for the coming Tribulation

Amazing that those refusing get martyred and you are oblivious.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You missed something very simple; the Bride of Christ will be raptured pretrib. But people who believe as you do will be left behind (because of no faith in His coming pretrib) to be overcome by the Beast.

Why not rather CHANGE your faith and believe Luke 21:36? Believe in being found worthy to escape the beheading.

No one has to believe in pretrib timing to take part in the rapture.
There is no elite group that is qualified by dogmatic belief. The body of believers is one body.


"We will not all sleep but we will ALL be changed."

 

[Absolutely]

we’ll said and that’s exactly what I believe will happen too.

Yeah we can all see how noah was taken away after the flood and lot stayed in sodom during its complete destruction.

You guys LITERALLY STAND on omission as a pillar of your doctrine.

There is no way around the rapture verses, so you guys ignore them, claim high ground, and backslap each other in a make believe world .

 

[Absolutely]

No one has to believe in pretrib timing to take part in the rapture.
There is no elite group that is qualified by dogmatic belief. The body of believers is one body.


"We will not all sleep but we will ALL be changed."

...and yet Jesus said "...pray that you may be counted worthy to escape..."

We definitely have the high ground as a postribber would never pray that.
In fact you guys praying that would be hypocrites .

" worthy" is a dynamic of heaven.

In fact , come to think of it, that is yet another omission.

If you omit "worthy" we have no wedding parable, no crowns to a select group,no 10 virgin parable, and most of the seven letters to the churches would be in dire need of postribber modification.

 

[Absolutely]

That Day is actually the Day of the Lord, (1 Thess. 5: 2, & 2 Thess. 2: 2)

Remember that the word Day in Hebrew is a time period and a specific day. Both are referred to in scripture.

Thus the man of sin revealed is AFTER the tribulation has begun and BEFORE the specific day of the Lord when He comes to take vengeance upon the rebellious, (2 Thess. 1: 7)

Which flows perfectly with the pretrib rapture.

Except it only says " revealed"

Ahem....3 times. ( so as to authenticate it)
Always use context. It is my friend.

 

[Absolutely]

No one has to believe in pretrib timing to take part in the rapture.
There is no elite group that is qualified by dogmatic belief. The body of believers is one body.


"We will not all sleep but we will ALL be changed."

"""There is no elite group that is qualified by dogmatic belief"""

See where false doctrine leads.?
How wild and reckless can it get?

Hebrews 11 , showcases the elites and how belief ( faith) ,set them apart from the pew sitters .

It is crystal clear.
The rapture comes only for those waiting.
Crystal clear.

And of those waiting and watching , roughly half get caught with no oil ( no intimacy)

Crystal clear.

Wait for the ac on a white horse or wait for the groom.

Do what you want.

Faith to stay.
Deal with the consequences.

I will keep watching waiting and doing as Jesus said; SPECIFICALLY To pray that we escape.
" Jesus dont let me miss the rapture."

Postribber " ha ha ha there is no pretrib rapture"

Looks like you guys painted yourself into the ole proverbial corner.

No worthy.....no go

 

[Absolutely]

I wouldn't mind being raptured! Who wouldn't? Question is what exactly are you
supposed to do to qualify? There are many books supporting the idea and arguing
about when it is supposed to happen but none of them spell this out. It seems to me
that it consists of some kind of divine lottery. I suppose I will have to wait and see if
I have a winning card or not.

Post 346 and 348 have the answer

 

[Absolutely]

Revelation 13:7 isn't talking about the "gates of hell prevailing against the church."

Matthew 16:18 "...the gates of hell shall not prevail against it..." is about the grave and/or the place of departed souls. In other words, Christians don't go to hell and even though they may die physically they will eventually have a resurrection. In that way, the gates of hell do not prevail against the church.

Revelation 13:7 is about the Beast waging war against saints, against the church in other words. "Fear not those who can kill the body..." or in this case behead the body.

The main thing you should be seeing here is that the church, the saints, are present in the great tribulation, many of whom will be martyred.

In order to make the great tribulation the wrath of God, you have to hold the position that God murders members of the bride of Christ. If I were you, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole, but to each their own. You'll be accountable for whatever you want to do.

God sent his son Jesus to die.

So under your wild conflation God murdered his son.

God Killed aaron on mt Horeb.

Nobody believes God murdered anyone, .

Are all those sent into the lake of fire murdered by God?

 

[Runningman]

God sent his son Jesus to die.

So under your wild conflation God murdered his son.

God Killed aaron on mt Horeb.

Nobody believes God murdered anyone, .

Are all those sent into the lake of fire murdered by God?

you don’t seem to know the Bible very well.

“For God so loved the world He sent his Son”

Those who killed Jesus were people, not God.

In the wrath of God, God destroys sinners. God did not send Jesus because of wrath, but because of love. Big difference and you’d do well know the difference.

 

[cv5]

That Day is actually the Day of the Lord, (1 Thess. 5: 2, & 2 Thess. 2: 2)

Remember that the word Day in Hebrew is a time period and a specific day. Both are referred to in scripture.

Thus the man of sin revealed is AFTER the tribulation has begun and BEFORE the specific day of the Lord when He comes to take vengeance upon the rebellious, (2 Thess. 1: 7)

This correction has been made for this person dozens and dozens of times and they still don't get it.....hopeless.

 

[cv5]

Which goes against what Paul said:

Pre-trib has the church rapturing away before the man of sin is revealed but Paul said the rapture would not happen until the man of sin was revealed.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (the rapture)
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, (the day of the rapture) except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


Pre-trib: church raptured BEFORE the man of sin is revealed.
the bible: church raptured AFTER the man of sin is revealed.

This proves rapture cannot happen before man of sin is revealed which proves the Great Tribulation will have started before the rapture occurs.

Verse 3......"THE DEPARTURE" aka Rapture. Apostasy is a misnomer.

 

[cv5]

you don’t seem to know the Bible very well.

“For God so loved the world He sent his Son”

Those who killed Jesus were people, not God.

In the wrath of God, God destroys sinners. God did not send Jesus because of wrath, but because of love. Big difference and you’d do well know the difference.

Acts 2:23
"Him being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified and put to death."

This which God prefigured in Genesis 22.....except there was no ram substitute. Abraham bound Isaac and delivered him up for sacrifice just like God bound Jesus and delivered Him up for sacrifice.

Furthermore the full measure of God's wrath came upon Jesus......instead of us. Consequently God's righteous judgment has been fulfilled and we can be justified......justly.

 

[cv5]

I did read and I am sticking to what was said and what actually happened. Christ said to hide, they hid, and result escaped their 70 A.D. Tribulation. Pretty good Outline for us to follow for the coming Tribulation

70 A.D. nutters are hopeless cases.....
Back to ignore for you.

 

[cv5]

How do you account for saints in the GT?

Has has been stated before hundreds of times:
tribulation saints who come to faith during the seven years of Daniels 70th week. A different harvest....

 

[Runningman]

Acts 2:23
"Him being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified and put to death."

This which God prefigured in Genesis 22.....except there was no ram substitute. Abraham bound Isaac and delivered him up for sacrifice just like God bound Jesus and delivered Him up for sacrifice.

Furthermore the full measure of God's wrath came upon Jesus......instead of us. Consequently God's righteous judgment has been fulfilled and we can be justified......justly.

Gods wrath did not come upon Jesus. I think you’re trying to say that Jesus satisfied God’s wrath against us (the people of Earth) for our sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

[cv5]

I wouldn't mind being raptured! Who wouldn't? Question is what exactly are you
supposed to do to qualify? There are many books supporting the idea and arguing
about when it is supposed to happen but none of them spell this out. It seems to me
that it consists of some kind of divine lottery. I suppose I will have to wait and see if
I have a winning card or not.

If you are "EAGERLY" waiting for the Savior.......you're going to be fine IMO.

Phil 3:20
Rom 8:23, 25
1 Cor 1:7
Gal 5:5
Heb 9:28

Tragically the post-tribbers are eagerly awaiting the 70th week of Daniel wrath of the Lamb and the wrath of God. Crazy.....

 

[cv5]

. I think you’re trying to say that Jesus satisfied God’s wrath against us (the people of Earth) for our sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

"Gods wrath did not come upon Jesus"

Such an outrageous proposal is within a hairs breath of heresy....IMO. And I'm being very generous in saying so.

On the contrary, the very mechanism by which we have been justified is God's righteous wrath and judgment being expiated and exhausted on a completely innocent substitute. This substitute having the Divine Character of Infinity, which could absorb all of this wrath, then die, and then be resurrected afterword by His own power and authority.

And people have the audacity to say that Jesus isn't God. Of course Jesus is God. Who else could achieve such a feat?

 

[FreeGrace2]

The False Teaching of what happens at the Rapture.

I believe people have been taught through preaching, books, videos etc a wrong view of what happens at the Rapture.

This false teaching says that when people are caught away to meet the Lord others will see them rise in the air, and great devastation will happen. Planes will fall out of the sky as Christian pilots are taken away, plus cars and buses, trains etc will all crash because their drivers were believers and were caught away.

People are told that unbelievers will be shocked and horrified as they realise they have been `left behind.`

None of this is a true picture, I believe, of what will really happen at the rapture.

The Truth of what will happen at the Rapture.

Have you ever thought about this?

Not only that, but I've studied the Word about the resurrection and rapture, since they both occur at the same event.

The Bible teaches very clearly that there will be just one resurrection for the saved, and one for the unsaved.

Matt 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Singular.

Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
Count how many Jesus notes. I see "the resurrection". How do you get "waves" or "stages" or "series" from that? Greek is singular.

Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
Count how many resurrections. Paul says "A resurrection". One for the saved and one for the unsaved. The Greek is singular.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. “when He comes” is in the singular.

The thrust of ch 15 is all about the resurrection of believers. We know that Christ's resurrection is described as "first fruits" because He was the FIRST ONE to receive His resurrection body.

Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

This eliminates trying to use the people Jesus and His disciples raised from the dead plus all the ones who came out of their graves when Jesus was crucified. Jesus was the first one.

Rev 20-
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

v.4 refers to believers who were martyred during the Tribulation. v.5 tells us plainly that they "came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years". And to top that off, that resurrection is described as the FIRST one. Since there is only 2, this one is for "those who belong to Him" from 1 Cor 15:23.

Finally, the Bible clearly includes the gathering (rapture) with the Second Advent.

2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

Red = Second Advent

Blue = 'rapture'


So, what happens at "the rapture"? Believers still alive when King Jesus returns at the Second Advent, will be "caught up" to be together with all the dead saints from heaven who will accompany King Jesus back to earth. All will receive their glorified bodies, and will then be part of the Millennial kingdom on earth. So no "raptured" believer will ever go up to heaven.