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• John 1:1a . . In the beginning was the Word
The Greek noun translated "Word" basically refers to spoken words in
contrast to unspoken words, i.e. speech vs thoughts and/or cognition.
That being the case, then I can legitimately paraphrase John 1:3 like this;
"All things were made by God's voice; and without His voice was not any
thing made that was made."
For example Genesis 1:6 where we can observe the power of God's voice in
action; making things.
"And God said: Let there be an expanse . . . .
So then; I can legitimately paraphrase John 1:14 like this;
"God's voice became flesh, and by His voice God made His dwelling among
us."
There are elements of Christianity that defy reason and logic and make no
sense to me whatsoever: God's voice is one of them. I can easily understand
how a person can be a sentient being, but I cannot at all understand how
someone's voice can be a sentient being when to me a person's voice is just
sounds and syllables; but John 1:1b says God's voice is Himself in audible
form. Now we know what Jesus meant when he said:
"God is spirit" (John 4:24)
"The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." (John 6:63)
You see, the words that Jesus spoke were God's voice.
"The one whom God has sent speaks the words of God" (John 3:34)
Yes, the words Jesus spoke were not only divine, but they were also
sentient.
Now, when one among us reads the Bible aloud, we are only parroting
something God already said. But when Jesus spoke God's words, the words
coming out of his mouth were God himself present in audible form; which is
sort of a double whammy, i.e. Jesus was God's presence in physical form
and Jesus' words were God presence in audible form; which is no doubt why
it is so very, very serious to ignore Jesus when he's teaching and/or
preaching.
• Heb 1:1-3 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has
spoken to us by His son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through
whom He made the universe.
• Heb 12:25 . . See to it that you obey God, the one who is speaking to you.
For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to
Moses the earthly messenger, how terrible our danger if we reject the one
who speaks to us from heaven!
The one who speaks to us from heaven is of course Jesus. We don't have
access to his audible voice, but we do have access to his printed voice. The
two versions of his voice are not the same thing, but they do have the same
weight especially for those among us who sincerely believe Jesus is the voice
of God in both physical and audible form.
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• John 1:1a . . In the beginning was the Word
The Greek noun translated "Word" basically refers to spoken words in
contrast to unspoken words, i.e. speech vs thoughts and/or cognition.
That being the case, then I can legitimately paraphrase John 1:3 like this;
"All things were made by God's voice; and without His voice was not any
thing made that was made."
For example Genesis 1:6 where we can observe the power of God's voice in
action; making things.
"And God said: Let there be an expanse . . . .
So then; I can legitimately paraphrase John 1:14 like this;
"God's voice became flesh, and by His voice God made His dwelling among
us."
There are elements of Christianity that defy reason and logic and make no
sense to me whatsoever: God's voice is one of them. I can easily understand
how a person can be a sentient being, but I cannot at all understand how
someone's voice can be a sentient being when to me a person's voice is just
sounds and syllables; but John 1:1b says God's voice is Himself in audible
form. Now we know what Jesus meant when he said:
"God is spirit" (John 4:24)
"The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." (John 6:63)
You see, the words that Jesus spoke were God's voice.
"The one whom God has sent speaks the words of God" (John 3:34)
Yes, the words Jesus spoke were not only divine, but they were also
sentient.
Now, when one among us reads the Bible aloud, we are only parroting
something God already said. But when Jesus spoke God's words, the words
coming out of his mouth were God himself present in audible form; which is
sort of a double whammy, i.e. Jesus was God's presence in physical form
and Jesus' words were God presence in audible form; which is no doubt why
it is so very, very serious to ignore Jesus when he's teaching and/or
preaching.
• Heb 1:1-3 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has
spoken to us by His son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through
whom He made the universe.
• Heb 12:25 . . See to it that you obey God, the one who is speaking to you.
For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to
Moses the earthly messenger, how terrible our danger if we reject the one
who speaks to us from heaven!
The one who speaks to us from heaven is of course Jesus. We don't have
access to his audible voice, but we do have access to his printed voice. The
two versions of his voice are not the same thing, but they do have the same
weight especially for those among us who sincerely believe Jesus is the voice
of God in both physical and audible form.
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No, the Age of the Universe is not a guess, we can see that via the Speed of Light.
The Age of Man can not be known by Scientists, because they have NO IDEA when God placed His Spirit into mankind or Adam. So, an Animal like man, with no Intellect, is NOT a Human Being with the impartation from God via His spirit giving Us an immortal spirit or soul.
We can know the Age of men because God tells us, and we can see when all the snoop dogs (Record Keepers, LOL) or records started being kept. All started about 6000 or so years ago, men just didn't suddenly gain intellect, God just suddenly imparted His spirit into clay creatures made of dirt. (us human beings then came into being 6000 or so years ago, and then God RESTED from His CREATION).
Thou shalt not surely die, was a designed lie by Satan. We know the Dinos were killed off 70 million years or so ago. Thus it seems the Death which God is speaking of was in reference unto Human Beings and our immortal souls via Sin, animals can't sin, animals eat animals.
So, a lot of times men fail to understand the context. Which thus throws them off.
I have seen videos of experiments where they play certain vibration frequency at certain hz that creates beautiful designs with sand. It really is interesting and reminds me of God speaking into existence our world and such.
And I've never considered Gods voice sentient being but now I'm reminded of life and death is in the power of the tongue
Your post was, by the letter of the law, absolutely correct. What brought it on was a mystery, and it was either that you believed in original language of bible translations or that you did not believe in bible translations.
I think it shows that mankind was made to be in Gods presence and not cast out
Have you noticed that genesis 1 is an overview of creation and then a detailed account overlaps it in chapter two ?
so for instance
“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.”
Genesis 1:11-12 KJV
that’s an overview but the. The details begin here
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
….But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.”
Genesis 2:4-6, 9
whoever divided that chapter later divided it wrong chaoter one should end here
“And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”
Genesis 2:3 KJV
because the next layer the details of what chapter one says happened begin here
“These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,”
Genesis 2:4 KJV
it’s a second account offering details but as far as Eve in Eden I think it shows us that Gods plan for us was always to be with him and fellowship with him dwell with him and live but Satan had other plans and we followed him because we’re free
Live beyond the veil of death.. the veil was rent
Amen thanks to our hero and champion
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
…For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
Hebrews 2:9-10, 14-15 KJV
We don’t have to be afraid of death anymore if we believe in our savior and Lord !!!
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
very good news
Not quite, Gen 1 is an overview of Creation, for sure, but Gen. 2 is then another overview, but of the creation of Mankind instead of the universe as a whole.
Essentially you get it, but Gen. 2 is not a retelling of creation, but a retelling with an emphasis on Mankind.
Gen. 1:3 shows us that God meant the earth to be filled with "or" or God' light, sin was to be contained so it did not affect man. Adam and Eve let sin free from being contained.
Both are about God's Creation, one about the Creatin of the Universe the other about God's Creation of mankind, man didn't have to fall.
That verse does not mention that God created the universe, although we know he did. That verse states that God added "or" or goodness to the universe. That is what we are to learn from this verse, we are not to add to scripture.
We have no idea...
We don't know... you are stating things as fact which no one else will.
Because of the basic rules of science is correlation is not causation.
Then on top of this there is a time dilation effect as you move off into deep space. Basically, time stops as you leave this solar system. And they have no idea as to how this time dilation has an effect upon waves. Which would be crucial for any sort of time accounting.
So basically they have thrown up their hands and said "We Don't Know".
And then we have the Leverite calendar. It's around 5,600-5,800.
But if you read the Bible it was started at the Exodus...aka Passover. Which the Israelites had already been in Egypt for 480 years by that point.
How much time before then did mankind run about?
The Bible doesn't really say. Those "begat" lists are not saying anything about that...they say something completely different. And they are not something that is going to be capable of structuring a timeline over. That's not what they are for. But our translation traditions keep us from understanding what they do say.
So I'd dare say that we had been running around for several thousand years before the flood, a few thousand after the flood...and a good bit of time before Abraham took his journey West. Possibly Abraham talked to Shem...but scripture doesn't say that either.
PHD Michael Schneider is a calendar historian for Levitical calendars. (An acquaintance of mine). Written several books on the subject. Arguments with him were always fun and interesting...and always loud but respectful.
But he takes his calendars seriously. And even he tells me that we really don't have a clue. We know the biblical record but the "wiggle room" inside the Hebrew is enough to drive a tractor trailer parade 5 wide through.
(Meaning give or take a few dozen thousand years at any given point pre-flood or post flood)
Even though Mike and I argued all the time...we actually liked each other...and I know Mike's credentials and sincerity...a stranger on the internet? His are going to be suspect from inception and ongoing.
ahh ok well at least I “ essentially get it “ I guess that’s enough . I’m glad you explained it God bless
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• 1Tim 6:20 . . Avoid impious and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
falsely so called:
Not all science is false. However, there are disciplines that fall into a
category called "theoretical" referring to unproven ideas and concepts in
chemistry, astronomy, geology, archeology, medicine, genetics,
paleontology, anthropology, history, literature, physics, engineering,
mathematics, etc.
Impious babbling probably refers to science-sounding arguments
deliberately intended to discredit the Bible.
Vain babbling tells us that science-sounding arguments are futile; defined by
Webster's as trifling and frivolous, i.e. of no real practical use or value.
1Tim 6:20 is especially applicable to informal group discussions, i.e. forums,
bull sessions, and brain storming; conducted by people with a head full of
scientific opinions who likely haven't a clue what they're talking about.
For example: one day at work a man in the break room said it's arrogant to
assume there is no other intelligent life in the universe but that found on
earth. You know why he said that? Because he heard it said first by someone
he admires, ergo: he was perpetuating false science in the form of a
respectable opinion.
People throw that kind of unproven stuff up to Christians all the time in
attempts to debunk their religion and prove that it deserves no more
credibility than myth, superstition, and/or fantasy. But seriously; don't
impossible-to-prove scientific theories deserve the very same labels?
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• 1Tim 6:20 . . Avoid impious and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
falsely so called:
Not all science is false. However, there are disciplines that fall into a
category called "theoretical" referring to unproven ideas and concepts in
chemistry, astronomy, geology, archeology, medicine, genetics,
paleontology, anthropology, history, literature, physics, engineering,
mathematics, etc.
Impious babbling probably refers to science-sounding arguments
deliberately intended to discredit the Bible.
Vain babbling tells us that science-sounding arguments are futile; defined by
Webster's as trifling and frivolous, i.e. of no real practical use or value.
1Tim 6:20 is especially applicable to informal group discussions, i.e. forums,
bull sessions, and brain storming; conducted by people with a head full of
scientific opinions who likely haven't a clue what they're talking about.
For example: one day at work a man in the break room said it's arrogant to
assume there is no other intelligent life in the universe but that found on
earth. You know why he said that? Because he heard it said first by someone
he admires, ergo: he was perpetuating false science in the form of a
respectable opinion.
People throw that kind of unproven stuff up to Christians all the time in
attempts to debunk their religion and prove that it deserves no more
credibility than myth, superstition, and/or fantasy. But seriously; don't
impossible-to-prove scientific theories deserve the very same labels?
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We know the laws of nature that God invented for our universe, we knw the "Constants" , now while the Big Bang could have theoretically pushed forth they creation in the beginning at a faster clip, no stars were eve formed for the first 400 million years, thus all light travels at a constant, "KNOWN SPEED" the speed of light.
No they haven't, all of the measurements are via only this Universe, of course, the only thing even seen out side of our universe was Quantum Fluctuations as they call it, I say that was God and His creation powers moving, of course. Time stops as you leave this Universe. The reason Gd has no need of being created is because he is not from this universe, all things of this universe must needs have been created.
Yes you got they they are different, you didn't get why?