show me specifically.
what was Irenaeus wrong about.
The trinity?
(you did not know your dead men were wrong about that also did you)
Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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what was Irenaeus wrong about.
The trinity?
(you did not know your dead men were wrong about that also did you)
The biggest argument is deciphering the comments concerning what some believe is the claim of Age of Christ vs some believe the knowledge of Christ seemed more like an Old Wise man.
you keep pulling that dead man gun like a gunslinger.
Pssst...they thought they were in the gt.
Most of them were amil
so that is your alignment??????
look
those guys saw Israel as scattered, dispersed and destroyed.
basically no Israel.
so nobody blames them for getting wacky on end times. Nonethelss they were WAY OFF
IOW it is postribbers claim to exault the early church as their basis for doctrine that ended up being a trap.
IOW one man got the idea to make the early church some great infallable template and what happened?
They decieved all postribbers!!!!!!!
And since you tossed the Trinity into the mix, Tertullian gets credit, but the first mention of triune or trinity actually came from Theophilus of Antioch
And i bet you did not know but in his older age, Tertullian, joined Montaneus, and became a Speaker of Tongues.
they worked it out.
does not stop the fact that postribbers exault something that had heresies galore
Who else do we wish to hash out
Polycarp
Iraneaus
Ignatitius
the other disciples of the Apostle John
There's at least 20 more we can get into
Polycarp
Iraneaus
Ignatitius
the other disciples of the Apostle John
There's at least 20 more we can get into
Are You Ready - The Calling of the Bride at the Feast of Trumpets
Great study from Ariel ministries. Check out their content.
Great study from Ariel ministries. Check out their content.
I am just saying, WE HAVE the HISTORY. And it proves this pre-trib Doctrine was not preached or believed. Why it is today, is beyond me when we know it was not 1900 years ago.
The souce....Paul....taught the pre-trib rapture. Any subsequent failings of men are to be ignored. Which are many and continuous.
Ariel Ministries
I do not agree with everything proposed. But much of it I do....
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCN8Q7JaPrGs1Mm4VhoBmeQ
Look at what Polycarp states about the Coming of Christ, this is from 100 A.D.
Chapter 2. An exhortation to virtue
Wherefore, girding up your loins, 1 Peter 1:13; Ephesians 6:14 serve the Lord in fear and truth, as those who have forsaken the vain, empty talk and error of the multitude, and believed in Him who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and gave Him glory, 1 Peter 1:21 and a throne at His right hand. To Him all things 1 Peter 3:22; Philippians 2:10 in heaven and on earth are subject. Him every spirit serves. He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 17:31
He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 17:31
No mention of pre-trib Rapture, just when He comes it is as JUDGE!!
The Church Fathers knew the pre-trib rapture was FALSE and did not teach it!
Chapter 2. An exhortation to virtue
Wherefore, girding up your loins, 1 Peter 1:13; Ephesians 6:14 serve the Lord in fear and truth, as those who have forsaken the vain, empty talk and error of the multitude, and believed in Him who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and gave Him glory, 1 Peter 1:21 and a throne at His right hand. To Him all things 1 Peter 3:22; Philippians 2:10 in heaven and on earth are subject. Him every spirit serves. He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 17:31
He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 17:31
No mention of pre-trib Rapture, just when He comes it is as JUDGE!!
The Church Fathers knew the pre-trib rapture was FALSE and did not teach it!
This is the Apostle John's Disciple, so this is what John the Apostle taught to his Disciples, no Pre-Trib Rapture:
Clearly, the Disciple/Apostle Beloved John, who was given Revelation, knew pre-trib rapture was False or he would have taught it to his own Disciples!
I addressed that one in...
Post #2711 - https://christianchat.com/threads/j...rapture-stop-causing-fear.199566/post-4739833
Post #2712 - https://christianchat.com/threads/j...rapture-stop-causing-fear.199566/post-4739839
I've not seen you "hashing out" what I put at the links (to my posts) I supplied in those posts, though. = )
Irenaeus also believed in "3 levels" of destination for the believers [of all times]: "heaven," "paradise" and "earth"
[... so ^ because of the way he viewed this aspect ^ makes it even more convincing that how I'm reading him is indeed as I explain in those posts / post-links I supplied... b/c that is very similar to how the "pre-trib doctrine" understands things as well, differing only slightly]
P.S. to this post, in case some don't go look at those links to my posts... I am pretty convinced many people are MIS-READING Irenaeus (on the Subject of the timing related to Rapture / Caught Up... of the Church which is His body... in relation to what other thing he addresses in that quote...)