Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

Page 9 of your workbook.

" go to extra biblical nonsense"

In that chapter we see "macdonald" crossed out.

What a bunch of baloney.

....and it is actually your doctrine.

You are oblivious that your PILLAR of your doctrine is extra biblical nonsense.

So ironic you guys are clueless to the origin of your doctrine

Psssssst...dead men.
Dead men are what you actually stand on.

Friend · Jan 4, 2022

Charlie24 said:

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"

No one in heaven was worthy, and no one on earth was worthy, and no one under the earth was worthy to open the book or to look into it.

Rev 3:4 ‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, Because they are worthy.

Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

So in the third heaven, in the temple, on the throne, there will be those who are worthy.

Rev 3:21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Rev 2:28 and I will give him the morning star.

Mat 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH LIKE THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Charlie24 · Jan 4, 2022

Friend said:

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"

No one in heaven was worthy, and no one on earth was worthy, and no one under the earth was worthy to open the book or to look into it.

Rev 3:4 ‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, Because they are worthy.

Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

So in the third heaven, in the temple, on the throne, there will be those who are worthy.

Rev 3:21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Rev 2:28 and I will give him the morning star.

Mat 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH LIKE THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

I see that verse as proof and have presented it several times, but as usual the post-tribs just ignore it.

It's just a dead end argument and actually a waste of time. What God has determined to happen will happen and believe we are all in for a surprise.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

Miriam_Jasmine said:

Jesus is the king.
They asked pilot to take that off the cross.
The king was telling them He is the king.
Kingdom of God .

"My Fathers kingdom" is heaven
However, Jesus is enthroned there also.

Jesus rules over his people NOW.

See the overlap?
The King standing on earth (Jesus) telling them he is king (kingdom of God is at hand).
That same king ruling in heaven now.
That same king as king over our hearts NOW.
That same king coming on white horses to earth.
Then that same king ruling in the mil.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

Charlie24 said:

Best position is make them eat verses.
Make them go against the bible.

We own this topic of end times.

We bring a bible.

They ALWAYS pull the debate into extra biblical rabbit trails.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

Friend said:

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"

No one in heaven was worthy, and no one on earth was worthy, and no one under the earth was worthy to open the book or to look into it.

Rev 3:4 ‘But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, Because they are worthy.

Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing that will come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

So in the third heaven, in the temple, on the throne, there will be those who are worthy.

Rev 3:21 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Rev 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

Rev 2:28 and I will give him the morning star.

Mat 13:43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH LIKE THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Yes
The 10 virgin parable is another worthy vs unworthy dynamic

DavidTree · Jan 4, 2022

Charlie24 said:

Good Morning Charlie24,

Keep this in the for front of you mind and heart when you pray to the Lord seeking Truth.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

The Path to Heaven is Sanctification in Truth = John chapter 17

DavidTree · Jan 4, 2022

Absolutely said:

Five months now and you still have not found one pre-trib Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

i eat Scripture for Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner and at Snack Time = It is Life to me.

peldom10 · Jan 4, 2022

Absolutely said:

Yep....we see several. When scripture backs them in a corner they start another on another section.
we must ask blessings for them.

peldom10 · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

Good Morning Charlie24,

Keep this in the for front of you mind and heart when you pray to the Lord seeking Truth.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

The Path to Heaven is Sanctification in Truth = John chapter 17

Ditto....in two other books of the Bible.

TheDivineWatermark · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

Once you start grasping what the "false conveyors" meant by their saying "[purporting] that the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]" in 2Th2:2, you will begin to get a glimpse of what Paul was addressing in that passage...

...but alas, most are divorcing how Scripture itself defines "the Day of the Lord" in favor of rather embracing the faulty "Amil-teachings' [and others']" MADE UP definition of "the Day of the Lord," popularly but incorrectly repeated mindlessly by many... ;

failing that, one cannot see Paul's providing the SEQUENCE between TWO ITEMS in this passage (and I do NOT refer here to the two clauses within VERSE 1, which both speak of ONE of those items [v.1 is ONE ITEM]... not two distinct ones, so I don't mean that... to be clear)

[Paul REPEATS this SEQUENCE 3x in this passage]

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

no sir
you have been shown.

rev 14;14 alone removes your deal.

Pssssst. the dead rise first
All rapture verses are peacetime and normal life.
You can not overcome the pretrib rapture verses,nor will you intelligently unpack ANY of them.

Evade,omit,and ignore is your position and you defend it.
Right along with accusing your opponents of listening to satan.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

you proved my point eloquently
no verses
just "safe" generalized accusations
comical

DavidTree · Jan 4, 2022

Absolutely said:

Good Morning to all my Brethren who are stuck in the error of pre-trib.

God has proven to us, from His word and they are found in my Posts which you know of.

Not once did pre-trib rapture ever proceed out of the mouth of God = not once.

I cannot respond now as i must do outdoor work today.

Charlie24 · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

That's some good preaching there Rev. When you explain how one resurrection fulfills the scripture then we can compare it to the pre-trib view and have a discussion about it.

Your post-trib view has many flaws, and you are yet to explain it!

Charlie24 · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

And neither did your view of it, there are many, many assumptions associated with your view!

The bottom line is that it is not possible for your view to be correct! But the pre-trib view is very possible.

If you ever get around to explaining your view to us, as we have to you, then you will see what I'm talking about.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

I was looking through your posts where you actually defend your "doctrine"

So far i have been through 2 pages and nothing.
Maybe you can copy and paste some post that actually does that?

in the past you generalized into some mid trib or what you young people now coin as prewrath or whatever.

you kinda like sitting back and just nit picking pretribber posts while staying "safe" in generalized "show me were....." dynamics.

Your deal is akin to "show me where it says "white car" written on the white car"
"ha ha ha ,see the white car is not white at all"

That is why i keep such nonsense on ignore and address you as sparingly as possible.

you never disappoint in going into rabbit trails of "prove a negative", or "show me where it says "baseball" on the baseball"

I really think you never crack a bible.

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

Charlie24 said:

See how dt stays safe with his over generalized correction of all of us inferiors to his great bible knowledge ?
While defending zero

Absolutely · Jan 4, 2022

DavidTree said:

Hilarious

You did exactly how i exposed you.

it is like some mechanical default mode of "safe" rabbit trail mess

Charlie24 · Jan 4, 2022

Absolutely said:

LOL! He has some explaining to do for his cause, that's what I'm waiting for.

Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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