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[Phoneman-777]

God blessed the Sabbath day after creation, but gVe it as a command and a sign to the children of Israel.

It does not show up as a command in God's covenant with Noah ot Acts 15.

The the Sabbath and the rest of the Ten Commandments existed before Sinai, don't they? Cain knew not to kill, Rachel knew not to steal, Joseph called adultery sin, Abraham lied twice out of fear, Jacob knew not to covet, etc., and Abraham kept God's charge, commandments, statutes, and laws, and Israel was told to keep holy the Sabbath which was made holy in Eden before they even got to Sinai (Exodus 16) which proves it already existed. He even had Moses make the people "rest" by Pharaoh's own admission, before they left Egypt.

 

[gb9]

seventh day advent propaganda above.....

 

[Phoneman-777]

seventh day advent propaganda above.....

It ain't propaganda if you can back it up with Scripture

 

[Evmur]

Then why did Paul say we ought to not steal?
Why did he say we ought to obey our parents according to the "first commandment with promise"?
Why did he say the law was good in that it showed him that "lust" violated "thou shalt not covet"?
Why did he say the law was "holy, just, and good"?
Why did he uphold every single one of the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath in Hebrews 4:9 KJV?
Why does he sweep away the Mosaic Law, saying circumcision is optional, keeping feast days is optional, keeping feast day menus is optional, but always upheld the Ten Commandments, as did all the other NT writers?

Brother, until we learn the Biblical distinction between the Mosaic Law written by him and the Moral Law God wrote with His finger in stone signifying the eternal nature of it, we'll continue to confuse the issue and take verses intended to condemn legalism as condemnation of "reasonable service" obedience to the Ten Commandments.

There's nothing wrong with the law, it is our ability to keep the law that is the problem. Therefore since we are not able to keep the law and violation earns death as reward it cannot a means of attaining righteousness or salvation.

So God annulled it as a means to either attaining to righteousness or salvation.

SDA pick and choose which laws they will observe ... that's no good for anything.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The Sabbath was made holy before sin entered, Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

You seem to be overlooking something: God rested. Sow me one example, outside the law, where God, Jesus or his apostles commanded humans (especially Gentiles) to keep the Sabbath.

 

[ResidentAlien]

According to Ellen White and her dutiful minions, compulsory Sunday worship is the mark of the beast; therefore, anyone who observes that day takes the mark. This is so ridiculous I hardly even know where to start.

First, White's whole beef is with the Roman Catholic church. Sunday isn't compulsory except for Catholics. Catholic dogma has no authority over anyone else. If a person wants to observe Sunday of their own free will that's entirely scriptural and is—unfortunately for SDAs—entirely their right. It in no way implies they've taken the mark of the beast.

Secondly, the mark of the beast is not compulsory observance of Sunday worship. In order for White to make it so, she has to do so much scriptural gymnastics she could win the Olympics gold. Check out her The Great Controversy (Between Christ and Satan) to see for yourself. I'll agree with one thing: it is indeed a battle between Christ and Satan.

Third, the mark of the beast is the name of the beast or the number of his name. It's an identifiable mark associated with a man during the tribulation, not some elusive seal placed on a person's head because they choose to worship on Sunday or don't keep the Sabbath.

SDA is nothing short of a cult who follow their own myths, not God's word. Its followers have been brainwashed by their fellow Judaizers. It's just sad and unfortunate that so many can't (or refuse) see it. But I do sincerely hope and pray you will eventually come to see it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

There's nothing wrong with the law, it is our ability to keep the law that is the problem.

Can't you do all things through Christ which strengthens you? Of course you can! Contrary to what you say, it's not a matter of "skill" but a matter of the "will". If you want to obey God, all you gotta do is pray for overcoming power, and you'll overcome.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:11 KJV "...how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" ​

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Know what else He said about those who claim they can't obey the law? "Ye receive not because ye ask not".

 

[unelie]

A friend of mine who was attending seminary at the time said the problem he had with Ellen G. White's writing was the bad theology that put people under the law.

Well, Ellen White and SDA teach insistantly that we are NOT under the law, neither under the 10 commandments.

We believe keeping it is a blessing of living under grace, not compulsory in order to earn salvation. Exactly as Paul teaches :

Rom 6:1-2 KJV 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

There were also prophetically gifted people present at the assembly in Acts 15 whose dietary advice to Gentile believers was to abstain from things strangled and from blood and from the pollutions of idols. God gave mankind flesh to eat in the time of Noah.

Yes, this is true, I see not quarrel with our teachings.

God gave mankind instructions about divorce, and then explained that if you do it wrong you are doing adultery. We need to study what God teaches, and avoid our own conclusion, even if it looks obvious.

 

[unelie]

According to Ellen White and her dutiful minions, compulsory Sunday worship is the mark of the beast; therefore, anyone who observes that day takes the mark.

The second part of your sentence is not logical with the first part... And this is not what we teach.
People keeping Sunday today are not taking the mark of the beast. Period.

In the future, when the 10 commandments will be uphold and clearly revealed in the whole world as being still valid to Christians, then these prophecies have some sense.

This is exactly what E. White teaches in the Great Controversy.

And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast." p.449, par. 1.

 

[unelie]

I dont really have a Bible question for SDA cos I can read the Bible myself

But I do wonder what is the deal is with SDAs and Weetbix. Does eating cold processed cereal out of a box have any basis in scripture?

Haha. Nicely put. You really should not eat them cold, I love them with hot drink

More seriously, why would it need a basis in scripture? I don't get why you are asking that, therefore I don't know what scripture would answer your question.

And... Didn't you just said that you can read Scripture for yourself?

 

[unelie]

Sda say angel teach to vegetarian whil Jesus feed 5000 with 5 fish, why angel teach something that not Jesus teach?

Because Jesus were teaching Jews in the 1st century. We have much more to learn, don't you think?

Jea 16:12 KJV I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

 

[unelie]

"One man esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it."—Romans 14:5-6

Any third grader can understand this passage; but I'm sure you already have your twisted scriptures to explain it away. I should've guessed you're a Judaizer from your "Chiasm" post.

How ironic. This chapter is obviously not written just for third graders, but I'm sure any third grader would also understand that it is good to be vegetarian from the last verses from this very same chapter :

Rom 14:21 KJV It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

 

[unelie]

It does not show up as a command in God's covenant with Noah ot Acts 15.

Neither does the command not to steal

 

[unelie]

There's nothing wrong with the law, it is our ability to keep the law that is the problem. Therefore since we are not able to keep the law and violation earns death as reward it cannot a means of attaining righteousness or salvation.

So God annulled it as a means to either attaining to righteousness or salvation.

I think this is the most important issue. Actually, it may be the ONLY issue that matters for daily life.

God actually grants us ability to keep the commandments, they are God's promises to us that are born again in Christ.

1Jn 3:9 KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 5:3-4 KJV 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.



My daily life is to grasp, by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, to grasp the power that is in the Word of God to be sanctified and overcome the temptations to transgress the law. And this is so powerful This power can encourage, strengthen, motivate, relax, rejoice... This is the power of Christ crucified, gospel power, overcoming evil.

 

[Gardenias]

If we would but be like God commands and allow the Holy Spirit to mold us we would have NO need for divisions nor denominations! This is OUR promise!

 

[presidente]

The second part of your sentence is not logical with the first part... And this is not what we teach.
People keeping Sunday today are not taking the mark of the beast. Period.

So are you saying that no SDAs teach that? There are no vans with 'Sunday worship is the mark of the beast' scribbled on them. There are no SDA posters on Internet forums who say that observing Sunday is the mark of the beast?

 

[DLM]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

I was a SDA for 13 years and left.

What I learned from the SDA was they apply Scriptures to fit their doctrine that can only be applied to the people which it was originally intended, the 1st century.

The bible verses they used did not seem to agree with the context that I read. They would use a single verse and try to make a point so one would believe their argument.

They used one liners all the time! I got tired of it and when I read the whole chapter and found it's true meaning, I began teaching people what I learned.

I began to compare what others believed so I studied Amillennialism, Dispensationalism, Premillennialism, Historicism Premillennialism, Idealism, Futurism and Preterism.

I found out, with proper Hermeneutics and with Audience Relevance I could find truth.

I started showing what others believe and why, thus enabling the individual to determine what is true and have it revealed by God.

So today, I do not follow a man made doctrine like religion teaches. In fact I believe the True Church is God's Spiritual Kingdom of today, The Body of Christ.

 

[Evmur]

I think this is the most important issue. Actually, it may be the ONLY issue that matters for daily life.

God actually grants us ability to keep the commandments, they are God's promises to us that are born again in Christ.

1Jn 3:9 KJV Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 3:4 KJV Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1Jn 5:3-4 KJV 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.



My daily life is to grasp, by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus, to grasp the power that is in the Word of God to be sanctified and overcome the temptations to transgress the law. And this is so powerful This power can encourage, strengthen, motivate, relax, rejoice... This is the power of Christ crucified, gospel power, overcoming evil.

"Behold I give you ability to keep the commandments"

... doesn't ring true

What we have [if we are saved] is the indwelling Spirit of God by whom the commandments were written. The Jews were given outward commandments the church is given the inward Spirit.

 

[Evmur]

Can't you do all things through Christ which strengthens you? Of course you can! Contrary to what you say, it's not a matter of "skill" but a matter of the "will". If you want to obey God, all you gotta do is pray for overcoming power, and you'll overcome.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:11 KJV "...how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" ​

​

Know what else He said about those who claim they can't obey the law? "Ye receive not because ye ask not".

Apostle Paul asked me "let me ask you this, did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? are you so foolish? having begun with the Spirit are you now ending with the flesh?"

... this assumes that you have begun ....

Nobody gets saved by obeying the commandments ... nobody obeys the commandments to the required standard.

... do you love the Lord thy God with ALL the mind, heart and strength? do you love your neighbour as yourself? upon these two hang all the law and prophets

 

[TMS]

Sow me one example, outside the law, where God,

why exclude the law?

The Sabbath was made for man. James states that if you break one you have broken all the commandments, including the sabbath. the word of God tells us that Gods people will be keepers of the law in many places, the laws are not named one by one, but we are told that we need to keep the commandments, all of them.
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

Ecc_12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (sabbatismos) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.