What is your preferred translation of The Bible and Why
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Let's expose Angela's fallacies for what they are -- total nonsense.
For over 400 years Christians had no problem reading and memorizing the KJB and not a single commentator complained about this. And the King James 2000 Bible addressed this issues 21 years ago (although for most of us it is a non-issue).
A study of Bible version usage was published by Statistica in 2017 and guess what? The KJB is definitely NOT obsolete. The KJB was the most widely read (31% of respondents). In contrast the NIV was only 13% and the NASB was only 3%! Even the secular and godless Hollywood movies quote exclusively from the KJB.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/299402/preferred-bible-version-usa/
This is PURE BALONEY from the enemies of the TR and the KJB. While Erasmus started out with 7 manuscripts, by the time the King James translators came on the scene it was OVER 100 YEARS. And several editors and editions had been printed, so that at least 40 manuscripts were behind the 1550 edition of Stephanus (used by the KJB).
Now here's the kicker. Angela's corrupt Greek text depends almost exclusively on TWO corrupt MSS -- Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. At most a total of five -- Aleph, A, B, C, D!
For over 400 years Christians had no problem reading and memorizing the KJB and not a single commentator complained about this. And the King James 2000 Bible addressed this issues 21 years ago (although for most of us it is a non-issue).
A study of Bible version usage was published by Statistica in 2017 and guess what? The KJB is definitely NOT obsolete. The KJB was the most widely read (31% of respondents). In contrast the NIV was only 13% and the NASB was only 3%! Even the secular and godless Hollywood movies quote exclusively from the KJB.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/299402/preferred-bible-version-usa/
This is PURE BALONEY from the enemies of the TR and the KJB. While Erasmus started out with 7 manuscripts, by the time the King James translators came on the scene it was OVER 100 YEARS. And several editors and editions had been printed, so that at least 40 manuscripts were behind the 1550 edition of Stephanus (used by the KJB).
Now here's the kicker. Angela's corrupt Greek text depends almost exclusively on TWO corrupt MSS -- Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. At most a total of five -- Aleph, A, B, C, D!
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Back in the days that Jesus said that the way to life was narrow, you would very likely have called following Him a cultic mentality.
The only difference between Jesus' statement then and how it applies to kjv-onlyism is that His statement as it pertains to then is far in the past and the religion / relationship that Jesus was preaching is now widely-accepted.
The only difference between Jesus' statement then and how it applies to kjv-onlyism is that His statement as it pertains to then is far in the past and the religion / relationship that Jesus was preaching is now widely-accepted.
And I would add to my previous post, I've heard a lot of people use so-called scriptural authority for preservation.
For example there's a Psalm that says something about preservation which KJVO interpret as the preservation of the autographs. I don't buy this but let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this Psalm does refer to the preservation of the autographs; unfortunately for KJVO, it doesn't say "My words shall be preserved in the KJV."
No matter what arguments KJVO come up with, it all comes down in the end to that's what they believe. That's how cults operate. No substance but 100% certainty anyway.
For example there's a Psalm that says something about preservation which KJVO interpret as the preservation of the autographs. I don't buy this but let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this Psalm does refer to the preservation of the autographs; unfortunately for KJVO, it doesn't say "My words shall be preserved in the KJV."
No matter what arguments KJVO come up with, it all comes down in the end to that's what they believe. That's how cults operate. No substance but 100% certainty anyway.
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I believe the King James Bible is the preserved and infallible words of God. It doesn't merely "contain" the word of God: it IS the word of God. I'm absolutely sure of it, and here are a few reasons why. I have copied these from a friend's website. These are just a few.
1. God Promised to Preserve His Words
Psalm 12:6-7 says, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Then we read in Psalm 100:5 that ". . . . his truth endureth to all generations," and Jesus said in John 17:17 that God's WORD is truth.
2. Because It Has No Copyright
The original crown copyright of 1611 does not forbid anyone today from reprinting the Authorized Version. It was only copyrighted then for the purpose of allowing the printer to finance the publication. For nearly four hundred years now we have been printing millions of copies of KJV's without requesting permission from anyone. Over eight-hundred million copies of the Authorized Version have been printed without anyone paying royalties. This cannot be said of any of the new translations.
3. Because God Always Translates Perfectly
The words "translate" and "translated" occur three times in the Bible, and GOD is the Translator each time. The scholars insist that the KJV cannot be infallible, because it is "only a translation." Do you suppose that such scholars have checked II Samuel 3:10, Colossians 1:13, and Hebrews 11:5 to see what GOD has to say about translating?
4. Because It Produces Good Fruit
The Lord Jesus said that every good tree will bring forth good fruit, and we can know them BY their fruits (Mt. 7:17-20).
God had the KJV translated for the purpose of bringing forth fruit, and it has been very obedient to the call. The greatest preachers of the past four centuries have been King James Bible believers. Billy Sunday is said to have led over one million people to Christ, and he was a KJV believer. Spurgeon, Moody, Whitfield, and Wesley were all KJV men, and the list goes on. God has richly blessed the ministries of such men as these because they stayed busy OBEYING His word rather than questioning its authority.
5. Because of the Time in History in Which It Was Translated
The King James Bible was not translated during the apostate and lukewarm Laodicean church period, like the new translations. The Laodicean period is the last church period before the Second Coming of Christ. It is the last of the seven church periods in Revelation chapters two and three. One can clearly see that we are living in the Laodicean period today by simply comparing modern churches to the church of Revelation 3:14-22. This lukewarm period began toward the end of the 1800's and will continue until Christ returns. The new versions fit well into the lukewarm churches, because they are lukewarm "bibles."
The Authorized Version, however, was translated LONG BEFORE the Laodicean churches appeared. It was translated during the Philadelphia church period, which is the best church period of all. It was this church that the Lord Jesus COMMENDED for KEEPING HIS WORD( Rev. 3:8-10)!
In 1611, when the King James Bible was completed, the scourge of lukewarm Laodicea had not yet swept over the world. There was no "scientific" crowd around in 1611 to put pressure on the translators. There was no civil rights movement going on at this time to influence the work of these men. The women were not screaming for "equal rights," and the humanists and socialists had not yet taken control. The massive army of liberal and modernistic preachers had not yet been assembled. The open public denial of God's word and the Deity of Christ was practically unheard of among ministers. It wasn't until the twentieth century that professing Christianity became flooded with lukewarm preachers who would be willing to compromise the word of God for self gain.
The greatest missionary work in church history occurred between 1700 and 1900, so it makes perfect sense that God would have a Bible ready for this great work, and He did - the KJV. Unfortunately, the new translations appeared a bit LATE on the scene! Think about that.
6. Because No One Has Ever Proven That the KJV is Not God's Word
Any honest American should know that innocence is supposed to prevail in our land until guilt is proven. The KJV should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone proven it guilty? No. Has any scholar actually PROVEN that there are errors in the King James Bible? No. Enemies of the KJV delight in IGNORING the facts about the Authorized Version, while never PROVING anything. All apparent "errors" in the KJV can be explained through prayer and a careful study of the scriptures, but the opponents of the KJV aren't interested in looking for TRUTH; they're interested attacking God's word, while never proving anything.
7. Because of the Manuscript Evidence
Only a very deceived individual could believe that the new versions are equal to the King James Bible. Ninety-five percent of all evidence SUPPORTS the text of the King James Authorized Version. The new versions are supported by the remaining five percent evidence.
The new "bibles" are supported by two very corrupt fourth century manuscripts, known as the "Vaticanus" and the "Siniaticus." These manuscripts are filled with many text alterations to meet the demands of Roman Catholic tradition. They also include the Apocrypha, which the Lord Jesus Christ EXCLUDED from the Old Testament in Luke 24:44. All new versions contain readings from these corrupt manuscripts, and all new versions use their tiny five percent evidence to attack the ninety-five percent majority text of the King James Bible.
8. Because It Exalts the Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: And they are they which testify of me." John 5:39.
A REAL Bible will testify of the Lord Jesus Christ. The true word of God will always EXALT Jesus Christ, and it will NEVER attack Hid Deity, His Virgin Birth, His Blood Atonement, His Bodily Resurrection, His Glorious Second Coming, or any other doctrines concerning His Person. However, the new versions attack ALL of the fundamental doctrines concerning the Lord Jesus Christ at one time or another.
By perverting the many important verses of scripture which deal with the fundamental doctrines of Christ, the new "bibles" have a CONTINUOUS ATTACK launched against our beloved Savior, and this is NOT an overstatement! His Virgin Birth is under attack in Isaiah 7:14, Luke 1:34, and Luke 2:33. His Blood Atonement is under attack in Colossians 1:14, Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:7, and Revelation 1:5. The Bodily Resurrection is under attack in Acts 1:3, Luke chapter 24, and the last twelve verses of Mark. His Deity is under attack in Acts 10:28, John 9:35, and I Timothy 3:16. The new versions attack the Second Coming in Revelation 11:15, and Titus 2:13, and the list goes on, because the new versions have an extreme bitter HATRED toward the Authorized Version and the way it gives the Lord Jesus Christ the preeminent place.
1. God Promised to Preserve His Words
Psalm 12:6-7 says, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Then we read in Psalm 100:5 that ". . . . his truth endureth to all generations," and Jesus said in John 17:17 that God's WORD is truth.
2. Because It Has No Copyright
The original crown copyright of 1611 does not forbid anyone today from reprinting the Authorized Version. It was only copyrighted then for the purpose of allowing the printer to finance the publication. For nearly four hundred years now we have been printing millions of copies of KJV's without requesting permission from anyone. Over eight-hundred million copies of the Authorized Version have been printed without anyone paying royalties. This cannot be said of any of the new translations.
3. Because God Always Translates Perfectly
The words "translate" and "translated" occur three times in the Bible, and GOD is the Translator each time. The scholars insist that the KJV cannot be infallible, because it is "only a translation." Do you suppose that such scholars have checked II Samuel 3:10, Colossians 1:13, and Hebrews 11:5 to see what GOD has to say about translating?
4. Because It Produces Good Fruit
The Lord Jesus said that every good tree will bring forth good fruit, and we can know them BY their fruits (Mt. 7:17-20).
God had the KJV translated for the purpose of bringing forth fruit, and it has been very obedient to the call. The greatest preachers of the past four centuries have been King James Bible believers. Billy Sunday is said to have led over one million people to Christ, and he was a KJV believer. Spurgeon, Moody, Whitfield, and Wesley were all KJV men, and the list goes on. God has richly blessed the ministries of such men as these because they stayed busy OBEYING His word rather than questioning its authority.
5. Because of the Time in History in Which It Was Translated
The King James Bible was not translated during the apostate and lukewarm Laodicean church period, like the new translations. The Laodicean period is the last church period before the Second Coming of Christ. It is the last of the seven church periods in Revelation chapters two and three. One can clearly see that we are living in the Laodicean period today by simply comparing modern churches to the church of Revelation 3:14-22. This lukewarm period began toward the end of the 1800's and will continue until Christ returns. The new versions fit well into the lukewarm churches, because they are lukewarm "bibles."
The Authorized Version, however, was translated LONG BEFORE the Laodicean churches appeared. It was translated during the Philadelphia church period, which is the best church period of all. It was this church that the Lord Jesus COMMENDED for KEEPING HIS WORD( Rev. 3:8-10)!
In 1611, when the King James Bible was completed, the scourge of lukewarm Laodicea had not yet swept over the world. There was no "scientific" crowd around in 1611 to put pressure on the translators. There was no civil rights movement going on at this time to influence the work of these men. The women were not screaming for "equal rights," and the humanists and socialists had not yet taken control. The massive army of liberal and modernistic preachers had not yet been assembled. The open public denial of God's word and the Deity of Christ was practically unheard of among ministers. It wasn't until the twentieth century that professing Christianity became flooded with lukewarm preachers who would be willing to compromise the word of God for self gain.
The greatest missionary work in church history occurred between 1700 and 1900, so it makes perfect sense that God would have a Bible ready for this great work, and He did - the KJV. Unfortunately, the new translations appeared a bit LATE on the scene! Think about that.
6. Because No One Has Ever Proven That the KJV is Not God's Word
Any honest American should know that innocence is supposed to prevail in our land until guilt is proven. The KJV should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Has anyone proven it guilty? No. Has any scholar actually PROVEN that there are errors in the King James Bible? No. Enemies of the KJV delight in IGNORING the facts about the Authorized Version, while never PROVING anything. All apparent "errors" in the KJV can be explained through prayer and a careful study of the scriptures, but the opponents of the KJV aren't interested in looking for TRUTH; they're interested attacking God's word, while never proving anything.
7. Because of the Manuscript Evidence
Only a very deceived individual could believe that the new versions are equal to the King James Bible. Ninety-five percent of all evidence SUPPORTS the text of the King James Authorized Version. The new versions are supported by the remaining five percent evidence.
The new "bibles" are supported by two very corrupt fourth century manuscripts, known as the "Vaticanus" and the "Siniaticus." These manuscripts are filled with many text alterations to meet the demands of Roman Catholic tradition. They also include the Apocrypha, which the Lord Jesus Christ EXCLUDED from the Old Testament in Luke 24:44. All new versions contain readings from these corrupt manuscripts, and all new versions use their tiny five percent evidence to attack the ninety-five percent majority text of the King James Bible.
8. Because It Exalts the Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: And they are they which testify of me." John 5:39.
A REAL Bible will testify of the Lord Jesus Christ. The true word of God will always EXALT Jesus Christ, and it will NEVER attack Hid Deity, His Virgin Birth, His Blood Atonement, His Bodily Resurrection, His Glorious Second Coming, or any other doctrines concerning His Person. However, the new versions attack ALL of the fundamental doctrines concerning the Lord Jesus Christ at one time or another.
By perverting the many important verses of scripture which deal with the fundamental doctrines of Christ, the new "bibles" have a CONTINUOUS ATTACK launched against our beloved Savior, and this is NOT an overstatement! His Virgin Birth is under attack in Isaiah 7:14, Luke 1:34, and Luke 2:33. His Blood Atonement is under attack in Colossians 1:14, Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:7, and Revelation 1:5. The Bodily Resurrection is under attack in Acts 1:3, Luke chapter 24, and the last twelve verses of Mark. His Deity is under attack in Acts 10:28, John 9:35, and I Timothy 3:16. The new versions attack the Second Coming in Revelation 11:15, and Titus 2:13, and the list goes on, because the new versions have an extreme bitter HATRED toward the Authorized Version and the way it gives the Lord Jesus Christ the preeminent place.
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The quoted claims are, in a word, stupid.
Rejecting King-James-OnlyISM is not rejecting the KJV, nor is it attacking the KJV, nor is it hating the KJV, or God’s word, or anything similar.
You and others interpret a preference for a modern translation as hatred for the KJV… and you wonder why people think you are pathetically ridiculous.
Rejecting King-James-OnlyISM is not rejecting the KJV, nor is it attacking the KJV, nor is it hating the KJV, or God’s word, or anything similar.
You and others interpret a preference for a modern translation as hatred for the KJV… and you wonder why people think you are pathetically ridiculous.
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This is entirely false. KJVO does not believe in the preservation of the autographs, The KJB reads the “preservation of the words”. What’s the difference? First, the “preservation of autographs” may refer to the physical writings including the vellum, papyrus, or tablets. The wear and tear got to hold to these autographs and they were in the graveyard far from what you imagine. Second, When the New Testament quoted them, they are not quoted word for word and is dependent on what the Holy Ghost impress upon the speaker yet they are still scripture. Third, we have copies of scripture that is “given by the inspiration of God” 2 Timothy 3:`16. Paul told young Timothy of this in his first personal letter to him. Fourth, translation is still the word of God. An example quoted Hebrew languages in the Old Testament were written in Greek in the New Testament.
On the other hand, when we say “preservation of the words”, means the essence or meaning doesn’t change, it may have been in the other form yet nothing changes. Translation preserved it. This is what KJVO understands the preservation. I’m not good at logical fallacies but your post would be categorized as non sequitur – appealing to probability. What’s the point? Simply, you are misrepresenting a real KJVO stand.
On the other hand, when we say “preservation of the words”, means the essence or meaning doesn’t change, it may have been in the other form yet nothing changes. Translation preserved it. This is what KJVO understands the preservation. I’m not good at logical fallacies but your post would be categorized as non sequitur – appealing to probability. What’s the point? Simply, you are misrepresenting a real KJVO stand.