How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[iTheophilus]

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1 Cor. 15:44​

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.​

There are TWO BODIES!
A physical flesh one that you are "tied into" until it dies, and a spiritual one that you receive when the silver cord is parted!

You are unaware that you place the resurrection at the white horses arrival.
Which means, in your model, the gathering of rev 14:14 is actually the living PRECEDING THE DEAD IN CHRIST.
""....studying His Word with eyes and ears wide open""

Rev 14;14 ....reconcile it.

Oh yeah i can see where your mental study has taken you.

I already have. If you have a question, just ask me straight out, okay?

 

[AworkINprogress]

And notice how you changed the scripture to say David's bones.

“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day.--Acts 2:29

We are never to add or take away from scripture--it began with Eve--she added to God's command, 'and you shall not touch it'--from then on it has been a domino effect--adding, taking away, taking scripture out of context, isolating bible verses...on and on....

Well said Laura.

 

[Absolutely]

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1 Cor. 15:44​

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.​

There are TWO BODIES!
A physical flesh one that you are "tied into" until it dies, and a spiritual one that you receive when the silver cord is parted!


I already have. If you have a question, just ask me straight out, okay?

Im ok for now.

No questions that i would get a "straight out " answer.....as you just demonstrated in dodging the dead in christ raised AFTER THE LIVING of rev 14:14.

 

[iTheophilus]

Im ok for now.

No questions that i would get a "straight out " answer.....as you just demonstrated in dodging the dead in christ raised AFTER THE LIVING of rev 14:14.

Who do you say are the dead in Christ, @Absolutely ?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Review the Prophets Enoch Noah, Daniel, Job and Elijah who rebuke the Lie of any 'pre-trib' rapture = PEACE

How could Elijah rebuke the "Lie" of the pre-trib rapture since he himself was taken up to Heaven supernaturally long before the Tribulation?

Let's face it. DavidTree is a broken record which cannot fixed. Whenever the Scriptures are expounded that is -- according to him -- "adding" to the Word of God! But any time he attacks the biblical doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Resurrection/Rapture, that is not considered "taking away" from the Word of God. This is a serious result of indoctrination by someone somewhere along the way.

David, all you have to do is say "I irrationally disagree with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture". There is no shame in being irrational today with all the Wokeism around us.

 

[iTheophilus]

@Absolutely

The dead in Christ are those who have died knowing Jesus; right now, they’re in heaven with God.

 

[ewq1938]

So you're having "the Church which is His body" going through "the wrath of God" (which you believe only exists within the "7 Vials"... and yet the 6th Vial leads up to "Armageddon" per Rev16:12[16])... how is that??

There's no issue being presented here.

 

[Laura798]

David Tree, the verses i shared are irrefutable proof. We are seated spiritually IN Christ in the heavenlies and he with us— to be literally their in spirit flies in the face of the rest of scripture— you cannot take every single so thing literally!

 

[ewq1938]

How could Elijah rebuke the "Lie" of the pre-trib rapture since he himself was taken up to Heaven supernaturally long before the Tribulation?

Is "the rapture" spoken by Paul about one person in the OT or was it about the Christian church in the future end times?

Was Elijah changed into an immortal being before being raptured?

This clearly is not evidence for a pre-trib rapture. No scholar would even dare to use this as a supposed proof text because it is so clearly incorrect.

 

[DavidTree]

How could Elijah rebuke the "Lie" of the pre-trib rapture since he himself was taken up to Heaven supernaturally long before the Tribulation?

Let's face it. DavidTree is a broken record which cannot fixed. Whenever the Scriptures are expounded that is -- according to him -- "adding" to the Word of God! But any time he attacks the biblical doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Resurrection/Rapture, that is not considered "taking away" from the Word of God. This is a serious result of indoctrination by someone somewhere along the way.

David, all you have to do is say "I irrationally disagree with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture". There is no shame in being irrational today with all the Wokeism around us.

i notice that my accusers are unable to produce a single 'pre-trib' rapture verse = not one
If you could you would flood the forums with them.

i stand on "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

pre-trib rapture of His Elect/Saints/Bride never came out of the Mouth of God = never, not once

Pre-trib rapture is a lie from the wicked one, easily sold to those who love what the idol offers to them.
Religion is all about $ales and nothing sells better then pre-trib rapture.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. - Proverbs 30:5-6

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22:18-19

The Lord is for me among those who help me;
Therefore I shall see my desire on those who hate me.
It is better to trust in the Lord
Than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the Lord
Than to put confidence in princes.

 

[DavidTree]

@Absolutely

The dead in Christ are those who have died knowing Jesus; right now, they’re in heaven with God.

AMEN

Therefore we are always confident, although we know that while we are at home in the body, we are away from the Lord.
For we walk by faith, not by sight.
We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
So we aspire to please Him, whether we are here in this body or away from it. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive his due for the things done in the body, whether good or bad. 2 Cor 5:8

 

[DavidTree]

Is "the rapture" spoken by Paul about one person in the OT or was it about the Christian church in the future end times?

Was Elijah changed into an immortal being before being raptured?

This clearly is not evidence for a pre-trib rapture. No scholar would even dare to use this as a supposed proof text because it is so clearly incorrect.

When was Elijah caught up? Before, during or towards the end of Great Tribulation?

Why was Elijah caught up, alone - one single man, and not the rest of the True Prophets n Saints that God had to hide from Jezebel?

 

[DavidTree]

David Tree, the verses i shared are irrefutable proof. We are seated spiritually IN Christ in the heavenlies and he with us— to be literally their in spirit flies in the face of the rest of scripture— you cannot take every single so thing literally!

Ephesians chapter 2 is IRREFUTABLE Evidence of our Resurrection from the Dead thru being Born-Again by the Spirit of God,
whereby God places us in Christ - AMEN

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

But you reject this Truth by symbolism and say when our bodies die our spirit/soul goes to the grave and sleeps with our dead bodies.

Our spirits/soul has been joined to the LORD and cannot be removed or revoked by unbelief.

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and the Father are one.”

JESUS Prayed: "Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world."

This PRAYER has been fulfilled for ALL who are in Christ.

 

[DavidTree]

Well said Laura.

What else is buried in David's tomb?

Then Joseph said to his brothers, “I am about to die, but God will surely visit you and bring you up from this land to the land He promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” And Joseph made the sons of Israel take an oath and said, “God will surely attend to you, and then you must carry my bones up from this place.”
Genesis 50:24-25

Well said Holy Spirit - AMEN

 

[Friend]

The Scriptures you quote are BEAUTIFUL and TRUE = AMEN and AMEN = THANK YOU for them = AMEN

Your ending paragraph: "This takes everything full circle; with the Revelation of our Lord providing the simulator of the Rapture, passing what remains of us to our heavenly dwelling. (Therefore, the sounding of the voice like a trumpet) sets in motion John's ascent into the throne room; even the (future) ascent of those who will be alive on earth (as with John we are suddenly in Spirit) even (in the future) our Lord descending with the brethren who are now before the throne; all of us meeting in the clouds before ascending to the throne room. This is why there is no signs of the torches of fire, nor that of the lamb, until (shortly after) John arrives; which comprehends the reception being preceded by lightning and thunder, revealing Seven Lamps of Fire having overcome, with the Lord walking among us, ready to take our throne. "

You violated Revelation 22:18-19

i cannot respond now as i have to go.

We can share again later = Please read Deut 4:1-2 and Proverbs 30:5-6 and Rev 2:18-19 and 1 John 2:14-19

Review the Prophets Enoch Noah, Daniel, Job and Elijah who rebuke the Lie of any 'pre-trib' rapture = PEACE

If there has been a disinformation campaign of the Great Harlot going out into the world; then it is the obligation of those pastoring the flock, to expose the error.

Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.

It seems more than anything else you are objecting to my explanation of what I seen and heard vs. the traditions of an organization arising out of an empires destruction. The Roman empire is an example of every plague of the book being fulfilled; indicative of every corruption of truth that she's held to from her youth. And now she has many daughters. I was not called to rely on the traditions of what is obviously corrupted. Many have cried out "Armageddon is here!!" and said, "This must be Anti-Christ" but all of them have been wrong, Yet every time except the last (WW2) the Harlot has greatly prospered from the spoils of conflict; with these signs of the nations having been looted, everywhere you look.

If I'm involved in a translation project, then it's my obligation to do it word for word, from the best available manuscripts.

Otherwise I have to use what God has given me (what I can see and Hear) in order to get the truth out into the world.

"After These Things"

Nine Times and "after this" once. It's crazy for to think that God would call us to Ignore chronology, when it is (He) that is saying these things. But that is what God does, If they've added a little leaven to the doe, He turns them over to the spirit of error.
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[Nehemiah6]

i notice that my accusers are unable to produce a single 'pre-trib' rapture verse = not one If you could you would flood the forums with them.

That is total nonsense. Multiple Scriptures have been presented and ignored.

 

[Laura798]

Ephesians chapter 2 is IRREFUTABLE Evidence of our Resurrection from the Dead thru being Born-Again by the Spirit of God,
whereby God places us in Christ - AMEN

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

But you reject this Truth by symbolism and say when our bodies die our spirit/soul goes to the grave and sleeps with our dead bodies.

Our spirits/soul has been joined to the LORD and cannot be removed or revoked by unbelief.

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and the Father are one.”

JESUS Prayed: "Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world."

This PRAYER has been fulfilled for ALL who are in Christ.

David Tree, this is the gospel according to David--THIS is exactly how False Doctrine originates--in the isolation of scripture--Scripture Never ever contradicts itself--to believe this is to ignore so many foundational truths of scripture!

• Who has ascended to heaven and who ONLY has ascended to heaven-- because that is what scripture says unless you use a different bible. CHRIST ALONE.
• We arise when? At the second coming of Christ.
• What happens when we arise? We receive our immortal bodies.
• It is ridiculous to say a person can go to heaven BEFORE the JUDGMENT and without their immortal bodies!
• If a person can simply go to heaven before the judgment then what is the point of Chris't second coming to 'gather the elect?'

The Protestants got this blasphemous doctrine from the Roman Catholic Church who believe ALL souls are immortal--more blasphemy as ONLY God is immortal! The RCC got this idea from the PAGANS.
We receive immortality when? AT THE RESURRECTION at Christ's Second Coming when He "seperates the sheep from the goats.

To be present with the Lord simply means there is NO PASSAGE OF TIME--we die and in a twinkling of an eye we are with Him even if a person has been dead a thousand years!

This is indoctrination--you and so many others David are holding in congruent ideas in your mind--which are myths that date back to Babylon--but as a Christian you need to stop being so self-assured that you are RIGHT all the time--in this you are very wrong.

 

[DavidTree]

That is total nonsense. Multiple Scriptures have been presented and ignored.

Post one, and remember John ch14 has no mention of a pre-trib rapture, for in John ch16 the LORD himself rebukes that error.

John 14:1-4 has been fulifilled by the LORD shortly after His Resurrection and before HE showed Himself to His Brethren.

“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said,
“for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ ”
Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them what He had said to her.
John 20:17-18

 

[Nehemiah6]

Was Elijah changed into an immortal being before being raptured?

How do you think he appeared at the Transfiguration of Christ if he was not an immortal being? Whether that happened while he was going to Heaven is not relevant. Actually Elijah being taken up to Heaven instantaneously is another solid reason to believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. And add to that the fact that Enoch was also taken to Heaven instantaneously before the Flood, and there is an unmistakable pattern.

 

[Laura798]

What else is buried in David's tomb?

Then Joseph said to his brothers, “I am about to die, but God will surely visit you and bring you up from this land to the land He promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” And Joseph made the sons of Israel take an oath and said, “God will surely attend to you, and then you must carry my bones up from this place.”
Genesis 50:24-25

Well said Holy Spirit - AMEN

And here you go again, "Well said Holy Spirit - AMEN" Sheesh...

You are using that verse out of context David--that verse has nothing to do with the other verse I quoted. Joseph knew they would one day leave Egypt--it was more than 300 years later and he wanted his physical bones to go with the Israelites and not stay in Egypt. Completely out of context. The patriarch David -- is ASLEEP like all dead people --and I posted ALL the verses- that say clearly they are asleep -you can't argue with Scripture.