Allah and Christ
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When Christians were under attack by Muslims, Jacinda simply ignored that. But when a mosque was attacked by a gunman she went on the warpath, and went to extremes to appease Muslims, even wearing a hijab. [Commonwealth countries have prime ministers, not presidents] More recently she has shown herself to be another COVID tyrant.
There is rarely any retaliation against Muslims even after all the atrocities they have committed in Western cities. But this became a big deal, while thousands of Christians have been targeted slaughtered by Muslims almost daily, and the politicians have looked the other way.
The problem is with the ignorant and arrogant Western politicians like Ardern who refuse to accept the fact that Radical Islam is (1) worldwide and (2) at war with the West. Instead they coddle Muslims and literally invite them to destroy their own countries by opening the door to massive migrant invasion, with Muslims erecting mosques in the thousands. But if Christian churches were erected in Muslim lands they would be banned and destroyed. The persecution of Christians by Muslims is a fact of life and the unspeakable atrocities of ISIS and others have generally been ignored.
There is rarely any retaliation against Muslims even after all the atrocities they have committed in Western cities. But this became a big deal, while thousands of Christians have been targeted slaughtered by Muslims almost daily, and the politicians have looked the other way.
The problem is with the ignorant and arrogant Western politicians like Ardern who refuse to accept the fact that Radical Islam is (1) worldwide and (2) at war with the West. Instead they coddle Muslims and literally invite them to destroy their own countries by opening the door to massive migrant invasion, with Muslims erecting mosques in the thousands. But if Christian churches were erected in Muslim lands they would be banned and destroyed. The persecution of Christians by Muslims is a fact of life and the unspeakable atrocities of ISIS and others have generally been ignored.
Since that is a very serious lie, it must be addressed and put to rest. The Koran is opposed to the Bible, and Allah is opposed to Christ and the Holy Trinity. And the Bible says that light and darkness have no fellowship with each other.
That claim is not borne out by the Koran. In the Koran Abraham and Ishmael are responsible for building the Kaaba in Mecca! Does that jive with the biblical account of Abraham and Isaac?
That claim is not borne out by the Koran. In the Koran Abraham and Ishmael are responsible for building the Kaaba in Mecca! Does that jive with the biblical account of Abraham and Isaac?
You don't know that Muhammad told the truth or if half of what was written in the AlQur'an was doctored by early Califs, or what.
Joseph Smith claimed to receive Revelation from Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon uses the word 'God.' Christians did not stop using the word God. Christians in the US don't typically accuse God of being a demon because Joseph Smith claimed to receive revelation. We do not say bad things about Jesus Christ because Joseph Smith claimed to talk to him.
Joseph Smith claimed to receive Revelation from Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon uses the word 'God.' Christians did not stop using the word God. Christians in the US don't typically accuse God of being a demon because Joseph Smith claimed to receive revelation. We do not say bad things about Jesus Christ because Joseph Smith claimed to talk to him.
When I open up my Bible it says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.
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Yohanes 1
1:1 Pada mulanya adalah Firman 1 Firman itu bersama-sama dengan Allah dan Firman itu adalah Allah. 1:2 Ia pada mulanya bersama-sama dengan Allah
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So why why would God be opposed to Christ if the Bible says this?
I don't follow the Al Qur'an. Al Kitab (the Bible) says other things about Allah, and says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.
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Yohanes 1
1:1 Pada mulanya adalah Firman 1 Firman itu bersama-sama dengan Allah dan Firman itu adalah Allah. 1:2 Ia pada mulanya bersama-sama dengan Allah
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So why why would God be opposed to Christ if the Bible says this?
I don't follow the Al Qur'an. Al Kitab (the Bible) says other things about Allah, and says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.
Yes, I have an Indonesian 'Terjemahan Baru' Bible in my books somewhere. I usually use online versions if I need it. It's the standard Bible translation used in Indonesia since the 1960's. There was a previous version. The Indonesian Bible Society puts them out. The various denominations use it, the Reformed Churches, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. use the Terjemahan Baru Bible. There are some other translations but they are rarely used.
Yohanes 3:16 TB
Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.
Use control-f and look up 'Allah' to see the many languages that use 'Allah' in this verse:
http://www.everytongue.com/john/index.htm
Yohanes 3:16 TB
Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.
Use control-f and look up 'Allah' to see the many languages that use 'Allah' in this verse:
http://www.everytongue.com/john/index.htm
amen
it’s when Abraham offered isaac that God saved isaacs life and promised the seed of Christ the lamb savior of all nations
“And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:15-18 KJV
So Christians through Gods act of sacrificing Christ his only begotten
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( genesis 12: 3)
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:8-9, 16, 26-29 KJV
become heirs of God through Christs promises to Abraham coming to pass in the gospel. The seed being born is those who are born again in Christ !!
People wonder how Abraham could sacrifice his son , the answer is he didn’t he had reckoned if he killed Isaac God would raise him back to life because he named Isaac that seed of promise he was a figure of Christ and it was an act of faith.
“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
Hebrews 11:17-19 KJV
Though Isaac was second born ishmael is no longer recognized and Isaac is the only begotten recognized of God and this is a figure of Christ the only begotten but the second man. The second “ adam “ who became a life giving spirit
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”
1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
Through his sacrificial death Jesus sends his spirit to give us life
“Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, ( Adam ) earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
1 Corinthians 15:46-47 KJV
it’s when Abraham offered isaac that God saved isaacs life and promised the seed of Christ the lamb savior of all nations
“And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:15-18 KJV
So Christians through Gods act of sacrificing Christ his only begotten
“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( genesis 12: 3)
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:8-9, 16, 26-29 KJV
become heirs of God through Christs promises to Abraham coming to pass in the gospel. The seed being born is those who are born again in Christ !!
People wonder how Abraham could sacrifice his son , the answer is he didn’t he had reckoned if he killed Isaac God would raise him back to life because he named Isaac that seed of promise he was a figure of Christ and it was an act of faith.
“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
Hebrews 11:17-19 KJV
Though Isaac was second born ishmael is no longer recognized and Isaac is the only begotten recognized of God and this is a figure of Christ the only begotten but the second man. The second “ adam “ who became a life giving spirit
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”
1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
Through his sacrificial death Jesus sends his spirit to give us life
“Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, ( Adam ) earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
1 Corinthians 15:46-47 KJV
I do not accept that Christianity is a religion. I call the various "isms" religion. Christianity is a relationship with God through Christ. I believe that Satan is setting up a world wide religion that will suck in billions of people. It will be a merger of the "3 great monotheistic religions", i.e. Roman Catholicism, Judaism and Islam. Their head is Satan, not God. It is a counterfeit of the real thing, the true church whose head is Lord Jesus.
I've not had a lot to do with Muslims. When I have spoken to them, they stumble over the idea that Christ is God. They also believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not crucified in the first place. They say that Judas took His place. Some Muslims are becoming disenchanted and that is a great opportunity to witness. It's still dangerous for Muslims to forsake Islam, depending on where they live. They can withdraw from Islam, but to accept Christ may cost them their lives.
I've not had a lot to do with Muslims. When I have spoken to them, they stumble over the idea that Christ is God. They also believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not crucified in the first place. They say that Judas took His place. Some Muslims are becoming disenchanted and that is a great opportunity to witness. It's still dangerous for Muslims to forsake Islam, depending on where they live. They can withdraw from Islam, but to accept Christ may cost them their lives.
No it is not a Muslim translation.
PreIslamic Christians who spoke Arabic apparently called God Allah as Arabic-speaking Christians do today. So do Hauza, Maltese, and Indonesian-speaking Christians.
Allah is likely etymologically related to Hebrew, whereas 'God' in English might come from a pagan word for a god. Derivations I read seemed a bit iffy but less so than Arabic.
PreIslamic Christians who spoke Arabic apparently called God Allah as Arabic-speaking Christians do today. So do Hauza, Maltese, and Indonesian-speaking Christians.
Allah is likely etymologically related to Hebrew, whereas 'God' in English might come from a pagan word for a god. Derivations I read seemed a bit iffy but less so than Arabic.
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