How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[TheDivineWatermark]

They do enter the MK Era but not as still living breathing flesh n blood people.
The Goats will be those who are resurrected for the GWT Judgment.
No one goes into the Lake of Fire until GWT, except for Two Individuals = the Antichrist and the False Prophet

What you are saying here does not align with Scripture (even after you "LIKED" one of my recent posts explaining why such an understanding of this passage ^ CANNOT BE SO).

What you are forgetting is that "before Him ALL THE NATIONS shall be gathered" in this Matthew 25:31-34 scene... That is, all at the same time. The "SHEEP" will enter the MK age as "ye BLESSED"... but the "goats" will NOT ENTER the MK age (being called "ye CURSED" per Jesus' words).

What you are trying to do is separate BY TIME (1000 yrs) these (of the nations) who will be "before Him... gathered" (at ONE point in time, in this scene). Additionally, no one is being "resurrected" in this scene (same as in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... which passage their Q of Him in v.3 was BASED ON).

 

[Charlie24]

Quite alot of writing Charlie, however no scripture to back up your theories— theories are not Truth. Perplexed, befuddled and gobsmacked is all i can say….

What about the results of my writing? Can you explain a post-trib theory that fulfils scripture?

If you can't, then you guys need to go back and take another look at what I wrote and how I came to that conclusion!

 

[DavidTree]

What you are saying here does not align with Scripture (even after you "LIKED" one of my recent posts explaining why such an understanding of this passage ^ CANNOT BE SO).

What you are forgetting is that "before Him ALL THE NATIONS shall be gathered" in this Matthew 25:31-34 scene... That is, all at the same time. The "SHEEP" will enter the MK age as "ye BLESSED"... but the "goats" will NOT ENTER the MK age (being called "ye CURSED" per Jesus' words).

What you are trying to do is separate BY TIME (1000 yrs) these (of the nations) who will be "before Him... gathered" (at ONE point in time, in this scene). Additionally, no one is being "resurrected" in this scene (same as in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50... which passage their Q of Him in v.3 was BASED ON).

Well, let's remember how the LORD often teaches deep truths = from an eternal perspective where HE is the Eternal One.

Since the LORD is from Eternity and is Eternal, time does not effect Him as it does us.

Since no one is thrown into the Lake of Fire until GWT then HE has a Plan that is not subject to our earthly understanding of Time.

PEACE to you my Brother - PEACE and Blessing in Christ and in the Holy Spirit - Amen

 

[Laura798]

What about the results of my writing? Can you explain a post-trib theory that fulfils scripture?

If you can't, then you guys need to go back and take another look at what I wrote and how I came to that conclusion!

Dear Chatlie, it seems to be your modis operandi to answer aquestion with a another question . Please provide scripture verses to support your Theory-thanks

 

[Charlie24]

Dear Chatlie, it seems to be your modis operandi to answer aquestion with a another question . Please provide scripture verses to support your Theory-thanks

I have provided a resurrection that agrees with scripture, can you do that with one resurrection?

You are full of demands and can't even provide for me a clear working and scriptural resurrection that agrees with scripture.

Show me your version of events surrounding a scriptural resurrection before you demand anything from me!

 

[iTheophilus]

The "Lord's Day" (the Millennium) is one day in God's time, but 1000 years in ours.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Revelation 20:1-3

During the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived on the earth during the flesh age will be present (except Satan, of course).

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

The 1st Resurrection will take place in the beginning of the Millennium/1000years. This First Resurrection is for all of the overcomers—the Christians who endured until the end (Elect).

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

During the 1000 years, the Zadok (overcomers) will teach the dead (those who did not overcome) the difference between what is Holy and what is profane. Those who did not make the "cut" during the first resurrection will have to wait a thousand years for the second resurrection, the great white throne judgment, to receive eternal life, which is what "to live again" means.

The functions of the priesthood, as well as those of ruling and judging, will be assigned to God's elect (overcomers)! During the Millennium, they will be the "ruling class."

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. ​

Those who follow the Lord after Satan's release will be granted eternal life at the end of the "Millennium" This is the 2nd. resurrection.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

 

[iTheophilus]

Hey there, Laura … Here’s my take on the Millennium.

The "Lord's Day" (the Millennium) is one day in God's time, but 1000 years in ours.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Revelation 20:1-3

During the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived on the earth during the flesh age will be present (except Satan, of course).

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

The 1st Resurrection will take place in the beginning of the Millennium. This First Resurrection is for all of the overcomers—the Christians who endured until the end (the Elect).

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

During the 1000 years, the Zadok (overcomers) will teach the dead (those who did not overcome) the difference between what is Holy and what is profane. Those who did not make the "cut" during the first resurrection will have to wait a thousand years for the second resurrection, the great white throne judgment, to receive eternal life, which is what "to live again" means.

The functions of the priesthood, as well as those of ruling and judging, will be assigned to God's elect (overcomers)! During the Millennium, they will be the "ruling class."

Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Those who follow the Lord after Satan's release will be granted eternal life at the end of the "Millennium" This is the 2nd. resurrection.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

 

[iTheophilus]

The "Lord's Day" (the Millennium) is one day in God's time, but 1000 years in ours.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Revelation 20:1-3

During the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived on the earth during the flesh age will be present (except Satan, of course).

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

The 1st Resurrection will take place in the beginning of the Millennium/1000years. This First Resurrection is for all of the overcomers—the Christians who endured until the end (Elect).

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

During the 1000 years, the Zadok (overcomers) will teach the dead (those who did not overcome) the difference between what is Holy and what is profane. Those who did not make the "cut" during the first resurrection will have to wait a thousand years for the second resurrection, the great white throne judgment, to receive eternal life, which is what "to live again" means.

The functions of the priesthood, as well as those of ruling and judging, will be assigned to God's elect (overcomers)! During the Millennium, they will be the "ruling class."

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Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



Those who follow the Lord after Satan's release will be granted eternal life at the end of the "Millennium" This is the 2nd. resurrection.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

The "Lord's Day" (the Millennium) is one day in God's time, but 1000 years in ours.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Revelation 20:1-3

During the Millennium, everyone who has ever lived on the earth during the flesh age will be present (except Satan, of course).

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

The 1st Resurrection will take place in the beginning of the Millennium/1000years. This First Resurrection is for all of the overcomers—the Christians who endured until the end (Elect).

And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:6

During the 1000 years, the Zadok (overcomers) will teach the dead (those who did not overcome) the difference between what is Holy and what is profane. Those who did not make the "cut" during the first resurrection will have to wait a thousand years for the second resurrection, the great white throne judgment, to receive eternal life, which is what "to live again" means.

The functions of the priesthood, as well as those of ruling and judging, will be assigned to God's elect (overcomers)! During the Millennium, they will be the "ruling class."

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Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.



Those who follow the Lord after Satan's release will be granted eternal life at the end of the "Millennium" This is the 2nd. resurrection.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Revelation 20:13 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

(double post My iPad is acting goofy ever since doing an update… I keep losing my keyboard.)

 

[Absolutely]

Of course? No need for sarcasm — we are as scripture says caught up with Him in the air at His coming.

No caught up in the return with the horses..

But yes you are correct ...a rapture at his coming in the clouds.

 

[Laura798]

I have provided a resurrection that agrees with scripture, can you do that with one resurrection?

You are full of demands and can't even provide for me a clear working and scriptural resurrection that agrees with scripture.

Show me your version of events surrounding a scriptural resurrection before you demand anything from me!

I don't call asking a question a demand--and since you aren't able to answer the question, I take that to mean you have no verses to support your assertions. I have no 'version'. I simply go by what the literal verses state about the end times as you can see in my earlier posts--we can identify and understand much of Revelation by looking at the literal verses.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Rev. 22:18–19

And I'm sure that means 'add' as well.

 

[Absolutely]

To address your other [long-ago] post (I can't keep up the pace of this thread ), where you'd said it must be "the marriage CHAMBER" because it has a DOOR ("shut"-action)...

Well, to that point (I'd been meaning to address), the word in this Matthew 25:10 text "G1062" is the SAME Greek word used in the following verse:

--Matthew 22:10 - "G1062" - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-10.htm ... and note that THIS is NOT "the marriage CHAMBER" (where the Bride & Groom are to be when it pertains to the "MARRIAGE" ITSELF / UNIONed-with thing, i.e. ALONE TOGETHER ).






These verses [/passages] are speaking to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER / FESTIVITIES" (not the "MARRIAGE" itself, pertaining SOLELY TO "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" and the "Bridegroom" [singular]" and which WILL take place UP THERE... but "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" is the EARTHLY MK age [at least its inauguration])

Ok call it a room or whatever suits you.... associated with a door.

Wedding chamber is ok.

I know you need it to not be a groom, bride or chamber.

 

[Charlie24]

I don't call asking a question a demand--and since you aren't able to answer the question, I take that to mean you have no verses to support your assertions.

No Laura, you are asking from me what I will gladly give when you show me your one resurrection version.

I have already show you my version. So when you show me yours we will be on equal ground!

 

[ewq1938]

Furthermore if there was a literal 1000 year reign Christ, the apostles and the prophets would have spoken and written of it— which they didnt.

Yes they did. Christ gave the Revelation to John. John was an Apostle and a Prophet so your entire statement is false. If someone said because the "false prophet" is only mentioned in Revelation and no where else in the bible does that mean we can say there is no false prophet in prophecy? The thousand years years is mentioned 6 times using a Greek word that represents a number, an exact number of a thousand of something. It cannot and does not mean less or more than exactly a thousand. The fact that it is placed after the resurrection of the beheaded saints proves it comes after the second coming because that is when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

 

[Laura798]

No Laura, you are asking from me what I will gladly give when you show me your one resurrection version.

I have already show you my version. So when you show me yours we will be on equal ground!

You actually answered before I finished editing. You've shown me only your own words--not the scriptures that would support your theory.

 

[Laura798]

Yes they did. Christ gave the Revelation to John. John was an Apostle and a Prophet so your entire statement is false. If someone said because the "false prophet" is only mentioned in Revelation and no where else in the bible does that mean we can say there is no false prophet in prophecy? The thousand years years is mentioned 6 times using a Greek word that represents a number, an exact number of a thousand of something. It cannot and does not mean less or more than exactly a thousand. The fact that it is placed after the resurrection of the beheaded saints proves it comes after the second coming because that is when the dead in Christ are resurrected.

Ha, ha! Oh my gosh ewq, that goes without saying--nearly all of what is said in Revelation is said elsewhere in scripture with exception of a literal thousand year reign--if such an event were to occur I'm certain Jesus, the apostles and the prophets would have spoken of it--however it is nowhere to be found in scripture other than in the highly symbolic book of Revelation that was a VISION that 'signified' events--past, present, and future. The representations are not meant to be taken literally.

 

[Charlie24]

You actually answered before I finished editing. You've shown me only your own words--not the scriptures that would support your theory.

Well at least I have shown you mine! Where is yours so we can compare?

 

[Laura798]

No Laura, you are asking from me what I will gladly give when you show me your one resurrection version.

I have already show you my version. So when you show me yours we will be on equal ground!

I'm not playing silly games Charlie. I asked and you could easily have answered, but you can't. Note the verse in my previous edited comment--there is a warning for changing what Revelation actually says.

 

[ewq1938]

During the 1000 years, the Zadok (overcomers) will teach the dead (those who did not overcome) the difference between what is Holy and what is profane.

Why did you call the overcomers "Zadok"?

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Overcometh

G3528
νικάω
nikaō
nik-ah'-o
From G3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively): - conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.
Total KJV occurrences: 28

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not playing silly games Charlie. I asked and you could easily have answered, but you can't. Note the verse in my previous edited comment--there is a warning for changing what Revelation actually says.

What's wrong Laura? Are you afraid to post your pot-trib view next to mine?

It sure looks that way.

 

[Laura798]

Well at least I have shown you mine! Where is yours so we can compare?

"…13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "--Matthew 24:13-14

"…29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’ 30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.… "--Matthew 24:28-29