How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Rev 6:9-11 = the Saints in Heaven who have died and living Saints on earth during the tribulation
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed
Revelation ch7 - Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation ch13 - The Church/Saints on earth during the great tribulation
And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
He who has an ear, let him hear:
“If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he will go;
if anyone is to die by the sword,
by the sword he must be killed.”
Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.
Revelation ch14 - The Church/Saints on earth during the great tribulation.
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed
Revelation ch7 - Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation ch13 - The Church/Saints on earth during the great tribulation
And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.
He who has an ear, let him hear:
“If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he will go;
if anyone is to die by the sword,
by the sword he must be killed.”
Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.
Revelation ch14 - The Church/Saints on earth during the great tribulation.
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
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That part is obvious to pretty much anyone. Are you unable to identify a believer??
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Only believers are holding fast until Jesus comes!
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Only believers are overcomers, keeping the words of Jesus! Why don't you know these things?
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Only believers will be given power over the nations ruling with a rod of iron!
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Only believers will be given that star.
Let's find these believers in the Great Tribulation:
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Here they are after great tribulation:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
They are Christian saints, believers, who were overcome in the Great Tribulation because they refused the mark and had the witness of Jesus and they will be resurrected and will reign with Christ as Revelation 2 testifies. This is simple stuff all Christians should understand.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Only believers are holding fast until Jesus comes!
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Only believers are overcomers, keeping the words of Jesus! Why don't you know these things?
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Only believers will be given power over the nations ruling with a rod of iron!
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Only believers will be given that star.
Let's find these believers in the Great Tribulation:
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Here they are after great tribulation:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
They are Christian saints, believers, who were overcome in the Great Tribulation because they refused the mark and had the witness of Jesus and they will be resurrected and will reign with Christ as Revelation 2 testifies. This is simple stuff all Christians should understand.
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The fact is, Laura, you don't have a verse that is equivalent to this one. What you guys do is come up with fake interpretation for this verse to sweep it under the rug. Then you tell us we see things in scripture that's not there, and the entire time you guys are seeing multitudes of your facts in scripture that are simply not there.
The fact of the matter is that neither side can pinpoint EXACTLY in scripture what they believe. But there are some who insist they can and they are found to be untruthful.
The fact of the matter is that neither side can pinpoint EXACTLY in scripture what they believe. But there are some who insist they can and they are found to be untruthful.
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That's what I thought, a whole lot assuming. But our side has it's share of the same, if the truth is to be told.
It's impossible to put together the resurrections without filling in the gaps, in other word, assuming.
But there are some here who believe there is no assuming on their part, that is the sad part of this whole thing.
It's impossible to put together the resurrections without filling in the gaps, in other word, assuming.
But there are some here who believe there is no assuming on their part, that is the sad part of this whole thing.
No assuming. Scriptural facts. It cannot be denied that the church goes through the Great Tribulation. Many give their lives but some will be found alive and remain which means to survive. They survived the Great Tribulation, the worst period of Christian persecution in the entire history of the church.
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How very foolish of you to say that. Enoch was raptured BEFORE the Flood (divine judgment) to pre-figure the Church being raptured BEFORE the Tribulation and Great Tribulation (divine judgments). You still haven't figured out that divine judgments are for the unbelieving and the ungodly, not for the saints who are not appointed to wrath.
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Right.
There will indeed be those who come to Christ following "our Rapture".
They are never, in Scripture, referred to as "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (as we are). That is all who have come to faith in Christ "in this present age [singular]" (Eph1:20-23 [WHEN [as to its existence]). "The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY".
Ditto what I put above (... agreed).
"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" has the unique feature of having the Holy Spirit permanently INDWELLING (and being "sealed" with same)... Let the readers note Jesus' words in John 7:39 (which He said BEFORE the Cross) -
"(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"
So "sealed" with and permanently "indwelt" with the Holy Spirit are unique features of "this present age [singular]" (no other saints throughout Scripture are called "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY").
After "our Rapture," the Holy Spirit Himself is not completely removed from the earth (ppl will still be coming to faith in Christ following our Rapture, for example, thus His work in that particular capacity will still be present on the earth...), but His "restraining" role will be lifted / done... (making way for the man of sin and all he is slated to do in the "dark / darkness / IN THE NIGHT" aspect OF "the Day of the Lord" time period... consisting of "judgments" unfolding upon the earth [7 years' worth]--When Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" Rev5:6, Isa3:13, etc...)
There will indeed be those who come to Christ following "our Rapture".
They are never, in Scripture, referred to as "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (as we are). That is all who have come to faith in Christ "in this present age [singular]" (Eph1:20-23 [WHEN [as to its existence]). "The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY".
Ditto what I put above (... agreed).
"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" has the unique feature of having the Holy Spirit permanently INDWELLING (and being "sealed" with same)... Let the readers note Jesus' words in John 7:39 (which He said BEFORE the Cross) -
"(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"
So "sealed" with and permanently "indwelt" with the Holy Spirit are unique features of "this present age [singular]" (no other saints throughout Scripture are called "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY").
After "our Rapture," the Holy Spirit Himself is not completely removed from the earth (ppl will still be coming to faith in Christ following our Rapture, for example, thus His work in that particular capacity will still be present on the earth...), but His "restraining" role will be lifted / done... (making way for the man of sin and all he is slated to do in the "dark / darkness / IN THE NIGHT" aspect OF "the Day of the Lord" time period... consisting of "judgments" unfolding upon the earth [7 years' worth]--When Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE" Rev5:6, Isa3:13, etc...)
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Lol...yeah, you got me there.
AND...
If anyone's ever eaten any cheap candy from the Dollar Store...then they'll know there REALLY is such a thing as bad chocolates..
AND...
If anyone's ever eaten any cheap candy from the Dollar Store...then they'll know there REALLY is such a thing as bad chocolates..
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