A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

[Pilgrimshope]

You can stay (or be left) behind and "tribulate" if that is what you believe: I think God will honor your faith. However, the vast majority of the church are going to be found worthy to take God's escape plan and escape from God's wrath poured out on the earth. We can get together during the Millennial reign and talk over how each plan worked out. I agree with you here - no sense arguing about it.

Yeah I already understand there’s tribulation in the world for Christians Jesus told us ahead of time

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭14:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah the escape plan is pretty basic but it doesn’t mean your gonna be magically removed from the world that Christians are told to go through and follow Jesus rather than sin that’s every Christians journey to stick with Jesus till you die so you can escape death and go home to life

This is the only escape we have

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pretty basic stuff and the final generation whoever is left ive of the church the last day when Jesus returns will then be “ caught up with him “

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure the benefit of imagining a rapture from the world but I do know we have to accept the gospel and persevere in faith as we go through the world

honestly I’ve never understood the idea like a space ship is gonna zoom Christians up at some point ? Or what’s the idea of a rapture ? Wouldnt or couldn’t it only apply to the final generation of Christians ? Or have people been getting magically raptured all along ?

or is it just some super Christians ? Has it already happened ? When will it ? Like there isn’t tribulation on earth right now ? Christians suffer daily don’t they even are killed in many countries

how come to y aren’t being raptured from all Thier tribulation and suffering I wonder ? What do we expect the tribulation to be ?

 

[DavidTree]

The rapture IS THE RESURRECTION for the Dead in Christ. Did Paul use the word "coming" in 1 thes. 4? CHECK!

Is the Lamb, "God?" Where does God's wrath start? In chapter 6. You have missed it again. Comfirmed because John wrote "wrath of the Lamb" in chapter 6.

No, first Thes. 4 is BEFORE tribulation. John saw the raptured church in heaven before He started the 70th week. So you missed it again.

No, the departing must come FIRST because the Holy Spirit in the church is Who restrains the man of sin. You missed it again!

No, the Antichrist shows up to CAUSE great tribulation. And The Day of His wrath starts before any part of "the trib." Again you miss the truth.

Jesus only point in mentioning Noah was the suddenness of their destruction. Same with Lot. But as a type, Noah entered the ark before the flood. You missed it yet again.

Daniel tells us the "tribulation" or the 70th week is for HIS PEOPLE. You missed it again.

"Missing it" seems to go with your posts.

You said: "No, first Thes. 4 is BEFORE tribulation. John saw the raptured church in heaven before He started the 70th week. So you missed it again."

Your statements are a opening chapter for 'Immaturity of Scripture 101' just as was laid out in Post #218 and here as well.

1 Thess 4 is AFTER and DURING Great Tribulation = Persecution and Death for bearing witness to CHRIST.

Evidence = 1 Thess 3:1-5 = comes BEFORE chapter 4

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith,
that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.

For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation,
just as it happened, and you know.
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

It happened to the Saints and Prophets of OLD, It happened to our LORD, It happened to the Saints of the NEW and it never stopped.

Wake Up Call - John 15:20 Matthew ch24
Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’
If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.

Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

Question for the Reader: Why did DavidTree say AFTER and DURING instead of During and After?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You said: "No, first Thes. 4 is BEFORE tribulation. John saw the raptured church in heaven before He started the 70th week. So you missed it again."

Your statements are a opening chapter for 'Immaturity of Scripture 101' just as was laid out in Post #218 and here as well.

1 Thess 4 is AFTER and DURING Great Tribulation = Persecution and Death for bearing witness to CHRIST.

Evidence = 1 Thess 3:1-5 = comes BEFORE chapter 4

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith,
that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.

For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation,
just as it happened, and you know.
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

It happened to the Saints and Prophets of OLD, It happened to our LORD, It happened to the Saints of the NEW and it never stopped.

Wake Up Call - John 15:20 Matthew ch24
Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’
If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.

Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

“It happened to the Saints and Prophets of OLD, It happened to our LORD, It happened to the Saints of the NEW and it never stopped.”

amen and the early church and yesterday somewhere in the world in some nation people were killed for spreading the gospel.

it will never end until Satan our accuser and persecuter is put away for good

 

[DavidTree]

“It happened to the Saints and Prophets of OLD, It happened to our LORD, It happened to the Saints of the NEW and it never stopped.”

amen and the early church and yesterday somewhere in the world in some nation people were killed for spreading the gospel.

it will never end until Satan our accuser and persecuter is put away for good

the Laodecian church in Revelation(maybe Today as well) misses your evidence completely and the error of pre-trib makes it worse for the Body.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Does rapture theology make a mockery of martyrs.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Speaking words against the Scriptures? Is teaching that one does not have to "tribulate" somewhat anti-Scriptural?

Sound similar?
Problem of evil as asked by an atheist "How can there be evil when there is an All-Loving All-Powerful God?"
Rapture as described by a rapture adherent "How can God let the elected suffer in the tribulation?"

 

[DavidTree]

Does rapture theology make a mockery of martyrs.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Speaking words against the Scriptures? Is teaching that one does not have to "tribulate" somewhat anti-Scriptural?

Sound similar?
Problem of evil as asked by an atheist "How can there be evil when there is an All-Loving All-Powerful God?"
Rapture as described by a rapture adherent "How can God let the elected suffer in the tribulation?"

They have an answer for your question. It is unScriptural, but they have an answer.

Yes, i find pre-trib offensive to the Truth and is part of the deception that is coming which will catch many offguard.

This is my main concern for many in the Body = #1 Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you
#2 At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
#3 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
#4 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

pre-trib is a cascade of error that will show up as the Day approaches whereby many will be offended and give cause for stumbling and opportunity for false leaders to rise with false prophetic words.

He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and saying, ‘The time has come!’ But don’t believe them. Luke 21

“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Matt 24

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the Laodecian church in Revelation(maybe Today as well) misses your evidence completely and the error of pre-trib makes it worse for the Body.

I’ve honestly Never even understood the idea of a ore trib rapture of where it ever came from or what scripture even suggests it . And that’s honest and straight as to my own very limited and potentially fallible view there’s not even an inkling of proof or even a clear or coherent suggestion of such a thing

when you consider the logic of it it makes no sense of there a pre tribulation rapture why did the early church all suffer so greatly and why is the world filled with constant tribulation for People actually Living out the faith ? Every year many Christians sre
Imprisoned , tortured forced to
Deny the faith under death penalty in several Countries right now North Korea has over 150, 000 Christians on consentration camps where they are killed and violated and worked to death and starved every single day that’s just one country in today’s world

Why would God allow two thousand plus years or persecution and tribulations on Christians who all live thoer earthly life and die like Paul beheaded or Peter crucified James beheaded for thier faith

the entire early church slaughtered but for a remnant who were dispersed and escaped from tomes slaughter one of the most heinous men Nero to ever live crucified of and using Christians for
Light in his garden games

why would God allow all generations to experience this and then we still every generation talk about a secret raptire saving us from tribulation on earth ???


No Ones ever been magically
Raised up and delivered into heaven through all the terrible two thousand years of wars And suffering and death for Gods people

The tribulation began when Jerusalem was destroyed it is all Over even still today nations without it have grown fat and modified Christianity to for the world Christianity doesn’t fit into the worlds philosophies it’s itterly
Opposed so Anyone who chooses to believe is going to be at odds with satans kingdom
In the world ruling the beasts and non believers of Men who serve his will in the worlds war against Gods truth


We’re gonna have hardships and be mistreated because of our belief and ways of Life that’s why there’s tribulation for Christians but only the very last left alive of the church when Jesus returns they of Course are going to be “ changed in the twinkling of an eye “ and be caught up onto the air with the Lord in the spiritual body.

but the tribulation comes because we have to spend many years in a world
That hated Jesus and hates us it’s part of Christianity we don’t belong to the world but to Gods kingdom that’s where our blessings will be but here we have both blessing and also tribulation and hardship but still we walk by faith knowing this ahead of time

salvation will Come when we part the flesh of this world when our soul is saved from death and hell and the grave

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

They have an answer for your question. It is unScriptural, but they have an answer.

Yes, i find pre-trib offensive to the Truth and is part of the deception that is coming which will catch many offguard.

This is my main concern for many in the Body = #1 Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you
#2 At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
#3 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
#4 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

pre-trib is a cascade of error that will show up as the Day approaches whereby many will be offended and give cause for stumbling and opportunity for false leaders to rise with false prophetic words.

He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and saying, ‘The time has come!’ But don’t believe them. Luke 21

“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Matt 24

To be honest, I never thought rapture theology had blasphemous dimensions. But with all this hmming and hawing over clearly written text, I think you have certainly nailed it on the head.
Keep up the Good Fight.

 

[DavidTree]

To be honest, I never thought rapture theology had blasphemous dimensions. But with all this hmming and hawing over clearly written text, I think you have certainly nailed it on the head.
Keep up the Good Fight.

i was first saved in churches that taught pre-trib rapture. Never really questioned it as there was no need to.

But as my hunger for God's word increased and the Holy Spirit guiding me thru the Word - the Scriptures opened up to me.

pre-trib is contrary to this eternal commandment: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

 

[Evmur]

You can stay (or be left) behind and "tribulate" if that is what you believe: I think God will honor your faith. However, the vast majority of the church are going to be found worthy to take God's escape plan and escape from God's wrath poured out on the earth. We can get together during the Millennial reign and talk over how each plan worked out. I agree with you here - no sense arguing about it.

you mistake tribulation which comes from the world for God's wrath, I hope we are all agreed that we are saved from God's wrath.

 

[lamad]

you mistake tribulation which comes from the world for God's wrath, I hope we are all agreed that we are saved from God's wrath.

You bring up a good point: the rapture saves us from God's wrath—but God's wrath begins at the 6th seal with the DAY of His wrath (when He allows Himself to get angry) and then a few days later starts the 70th week with the 7th seal, so the entire 70th week is INSIDE the Day of His wrath. My friend, the entire 70th week comes with wrath.

While Satan's wrath is at its peak in the murder and beheading of all who refuse the mark, God pours out the vials of HIS wrath to SHORTEN those days of GT. In other words, God's wrath and Satan's wrath are concurrent.

 

[lamad]

i was first saved in churches that taught pre-trib rapture. Never really questioned it as there was no need to.

But as my hunger for God's word increased and the Holy Spirit guiding me thru the Word - the Scriptures opened up to me.

pre-trib is contrary to this eternal commandment: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

Here we have the very reason why we disagree: you read scripture differently than pretribbers do.

Case in point:

4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

The Gentile church of today is NOT ISRAEL. THEY were given Moses law, not US. THEY were to take the promised land, not the Gentile church of today.

When people take verses pointed to Israel and imagine they are meant for the church, it will cause disagreement.

There are three groups of people that will be at the end, and scripture pointed to each group:
1. The JEWS first.
2. The Gentile church of today
3. The Nations

People are constantly taking verses pointed to the Jews and trying to apply them to the church. They ignore that Daniel said the 70th week is for HIS people.

 

[lamad]

I’ve honestly Never even understood the idea of a ore trib rapture of where it ever came from or what scripture even suggests it . And that’s honest and straight as to my own very limited and potentially fallible view there’s not even an inkling of proof or even a clear or coherent suggestion of such a thing

when you consider the logic of it it makes no sense of there a pre tribulation rapture why did the early church all suffer so greatly and why is the world filled with constant tribulation for People actually Living out the faith ? Every year many Christians sre
Imprisoned , tortured forced to
Deny the faith under death penalty in several Countries right now North Korea has over 150, 000 Christians on consentration camps where they are killed and violated and worked to death and starved every single day that’s just one country in today’s world

Why would God allow two thousand plus years or persecution and tribulations on Christians who all live thoer earthly life and die like Paul beheaded or Peter crucified James beheaded for thier faith

the entire early church slaughtered but for a remnant who were dispersed and escaped from tomes slaughter one of the most heinous men Nero to ever live crucified of and using Christians for
Light in his garden games

why would God allow all generations to experience this and then we still every generation talk about a secret raptire saving us from tribulation on earth ???


No Ones ever been magically
Raised up and delivered into heaven through all the terrible two thousand years of wars And suffering and death for Gods people

The tribulation began when Jerusalem was destroyed it is all Over even still today nations without it have grown fat and modified Christianity to for the world Christianity doesn’t fit into the worlds philosophies it’s itterly
Opposed so Anyone who chooses to believe is going to be at odds with satans kingdom
In the world ruling the beasts and non believers of Men who serve his will in the worlds war against Gods truth


We’re gonna have hardships and be mistreated because of our belief and ways of Life that’s why there’s tribulation for Christians but only the very last left alive of the church when Jesus returns they of Course are going to be “ changed in the twinkling of an eye “ and be caught up onto the air with the Lord in the spiritual body.

but the tribulation comes because we have to spend many years in a world
That hated Jesus and hates us it’s part of Christianity we don’t belong to the world but to Gods kingdom that’s where our blessings will be but here we have both blessing and also tribulation and hardship but still we walk by faith knowing this ahead of time

salvation will Come when we part the flesh of this world when our soul is saved from death and hell and the grave

It has to do with the end of an age and God's wrath.

He has promised to deliver us from His wrath. The pretrib rapture is God's escape plan.
Anyone who desires to, can ignore His escape plan and stay behind to be "overcome." As we approach the end, it seems more and more people choose this route.

 

[lamad]

They have an answer for your question. It is unScriptural, but they have an answer.

Yes, i find pre-trib offensive to the Truth and is part of the deception that is coming which will catch many offguard.

This is my main concern for many in the Body = #1 Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you
#2 At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
#3 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
#4 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

pre-trib is a cascade of error that will show up as the Day approaches whereby many will be offended and give cause for stumbling and opportunity for false leaders to rise with false prophetic words.

He replied, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and saying, ‘The time has come!’ But don’t believe them. Luke 21

“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
Matt 24

Pretrib is the truth of scripture. It seems many have preconceived glasses on that block the truth.

Don't take my word for it, go back and look: Paul stated that the rapture will come before wrath. If you want to set your OWN appointment with His wrath (which is what posttrib does) I think God will allow it. One thing is sure: God is setting NO appointments for His people with His wrath. So go ahead and set your own appointment. I hope it works out for you.

 

[lamad]

Does rapture theology make a mockery of martyrs.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Philippians 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Speaking words against the Scriptures? Is teaching that one does not have to "tribulate" somewhat anti-Scriptural?

Sound similar?
Problem of evil as asked by an atheist "How can there be evil when there is an All-Loving All-Powerful God?"
Rapture as described by a rapture adherent "How can God let the elected suffer in the tribulation?"

Where you miss it: the church has always had "tribulation" but God is going to one day pour out HIS WRATH.
Luke 21 tells us of God's escape plan - how to avoid God's wrath. Paul shows us His rapture IS God's escape plan. God is not going to set any appointments for us with His wrath. No appointment means, DON'T SHOW UP.

It seems in these last days that many people wish to set their OWN appointments. If that is what you desire, I think God will honor your faith. However, God's escape plan is very real and scriptural. Have you ever prayed even ONCE to be found worthy to escape?

I used the word "tribulate" because it was easier to type than to say one will suffer through the days of the 70th week that so many people call "the trib." God is going to pour out His wrath on the earth and all on the earth will suffer His wrath. That is why God has a planned escape: to take HIS kids out before His wrath. If people are determined to stay behind I think God will honor their faith.

 

[lamad]

the Laodecian church in Revelation(maybe Today as well) misses your evidence completely and the error of pre-trib makes it worse for the Body.

"in the word you will have tribulation." We all know this is God's word. However, the days are coming when God will pour out His wrath. HIS promise is, we can escape His wrath. Paul's rapture is God's escape plan: to pull out His kids just before wrath.

If you wish to set your own appointments, God will certainly not stop you.

 

[lamad]

You said: "No, first Thes. 4 is BEFORE tribulation. John saw the raptured church in heaven before He started the 70th week. So you missed it again."

Your statements are a opening chapter for 'Immaturity of Scripture 101' just as was laid out in Post #218 and here as well.

1 Thess 4 is AFTER and DURING Great Tribulation = Persecution and Death for bearing witness to CHRIST.

Evidence = 1 Thess 3:1-5 = comes BEFORE chapter 4

Therefore, when we could no longer endure it, we thought it good to be left in Athens alone, and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith,
that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.

For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation,
just as it happened, and you know.
For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.

It happened to the Saints and Prophets of OLD, It happened to our LORD, It happened to the Saints of the NEW and it never stopped.

Wake Up Call - John 15:20 Matthew ch24
Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’
If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.

Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

Question for the Reader: Why did DavidTree say AFTER and DURING instead of During and After?

Why do you insist on writing MYTH?

1 Thess 4 is AFTER and DURING Great Tribulation = Persecution and Death for bearing witness to CHRIST.

Sorry, David, but this is MYTH. It shows you don't know where "great tribulation" is in scripture when compared to Paul's rapture. It shows you don't know where Paul's rapture is when compared to the days of great tribulation.

I can help: the days of GT Jesus spoke of will not start until AFTER God sends angels to warn people (Rev. 14) not to take the mark. As proof, the beheaded only BEGIN to show up in heaven in chapter 15. In contrast, WRATH with the DAY of His wrath will have been ongoing since the 6th seal at chapter 6. Count them: chapter 7, 8, 9. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14: 8 chapters of God's wrath being poured out in the Trumpet judgments and after. (Chapter 14 is a midpoint chapter - just after the midpoint)

Evidence = 1 Thess 3:1-5 = comes BEFORE chapter 4

For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

Readers pay close attention: this is a classic side step of David, what I see continually. in his posts. He posts scriptures AS IF they teach what He imagines - but they don't. I think ALL "tribbers" - pre, post, mid and prewrath - ALL agree that in this life we have tribulation. It has nothing to do with what we are discussing. It is a red herring. It is a non sequitur.

The truth is, the entire 70th week is going to be a VERY SPECIAL time on earth when God pours out His wrath. Paul wrote, in His classical pretrib rapture passage, that God is not going to set any appointments with His wrath. Why is it then that so many wish to set THEIR OWN appointments?

Anyone that desires can remain behind and face God's wrath, but the Bride of Christ is going to be pulled out BEFORE wrath (no appointments).

 

[lamad]

Yeah I already understand there’s tribulation in the world for Christians Jesus told us ahead of time

“And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭14:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah the escape plan is pretty basic but it doesn’t mean your gonna be magically removed from the world that Christians are told to go through and follow Jesus rather than sin that’s every Christians journey to stick with Jesus till you die so you can escape death and go home to life

This is the only escape we have

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pretty basic stuff and the final generation whoever is left ive of the church the last day when Jesus returns will then be “ caught up with him “

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure the benefit of imagining a rapture from the world but I do know we have to accept the gospel and persevere in faith as we go through the world

honestly I’ve never understood the idea like a space ship is gonna zoom Christians up at some point ? Or what’s the idea of a rapture ? Wouldnt or couldn’t it only apply to the final generation of Christians ? Or have people been getting magically raptured all along ?

or is it just some super Christians ? Has it already happened ? When will it ? Like there isn’t tribulation on earth right now ? Christians suffer daily don’t they even are killed in many countries

how come to y aren’t being raptured from all Thier tribulation and suffering I wonder ? What do we expect the tribulation to be ?

Amazing. Simply amazing. Have you spent time studying Paul's classic rapture passage? Have you read Revelation over several times?

Where you miss it (almost in every point):
We are approaching the end of this age, so just common sense might tell you that things will be different.
WHO is Jesus talking to in Matthew 10? The Gentile church of today was still a mystery hidden in the Father then. He was talking to the JEWS. What is "the end" He was talking about? The day of Jesus coming to Armageddon. The Jews will have to "endure to the end" of the 70th week that Daniel declares is for HIS people. WHY? What is God's purpose in the 70th week or time of Jacob's trouble? Daniel tells us in chapter 12: God's plan is to "completely shatter" the power of the Jews. Today they trust in their IDF. God is going to use the nations of the world to DESTROY their IDF, to get them to the place where they have NO HOPE except or unless their Messiah comes - and come He will!

The point is, where is the church in all this? GOD HAS NO PURPOSE for the church in the 70th week of DANIEL.

Did you not read in 1 Thes. 4 & 5 that God is not going to be setting any appointments for His bride with His wrath?
"God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, "
HOW? HOW do we obtain salvation? We get raptured out! What did Paul write next? "WE should live together with Him. HOW? By way of the rapture.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

Where you miss it: the church has always had "tribulation" but God is going to one day pour out HIS WRATH.
Luke 21 tells us of God's escape plan - how to avoid God's wrath. Paul shows us His rapture IS God's escape plan. God is not going to set any appointments for us with His wrath. No appointment means, DON'T SHOW UP.

It seems in these last days that many people wish to set their OWN appointments. If that is what you desire, I think God will honor your faith. However, God's escape plan is very real and scriptural. Have you ever prayed even ONCE to be found worthy to escape?

I used the word "tribulate" because it was easier to type than to say one will suffer through the days of the 70th week that so many people call "the trib." God is going to pour out His wrath on the earth and all on the earth will suffer His wrath. That is why God has a planned escape: to take HIS kids out before His wrath. If people are determined to stay behind I think God will honor their faith.

If my faith commits me to die I will die. This is written in the Scriptures. There is no false hope of rapture, just hope for Grace in the Eyes of God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is no false hope of rapture...

Why do you call it a "false hope"? If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then the hope of the Rapture is as much a reality as the hope of the Resurrection. Indeed it is the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints which God has promised.