How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Hi Brother, How are you - have not spoken with with you in some time and it is nice to see you again.
'End of the age' is referring to satans ruling thru the Gentile kingdoms over Israel and the world.
The Jews at that time were fully aware of this from the Prophets Daniel , Job and Zechariah and even from Genesis concerning sin.
They were also quite aware of the spiritual nature of satan as they accused our LORD of casting out demons by Beelzebub.
Matthew 12
Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
'End of the age' is referring to satans ruling thru the Gentile kingdoms over Israel and the world.
The Jews at that time were fully aware of this from the Prophets Daniel , Job and Zechariah and even from Genesis concerning sin.
They were also quite aware of the spiritual nature of satan as they accused our LORD of casting out demons by Beelzebub.
Matthew 12
Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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They weren't alive at the time that happened and once again, Jesus said one generation would see all the things Jesus told them about. Did anyone see Christ returning at that time? Did angels gather together the saints around the world? No.
What you have fallen for, and same with the AD70 crowd are TYPES of the actual events. History repeats itself so we can recognize the actual fulfilling. No type will match everything like the lack of one generation seeing everything. All both doctrines have is an enemy destroying Jerusalem and their armies surrounding etc. Both lack these events:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And none of that has happened yet.
What you have fallen for, and same with the AD70 crowd are TYPES of the actual events. History repeats itself so we can recognize the actual fulfilling. No type will match everything like the lack of one generation seeing everything. All both doctrines have is an enemy destroying Jerusalem and their armies surrounding etc. Both lack these events:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
That hasn't happened yet.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And none of that has happened yet.
My points not in proving wrong but that but that the foundation is incorrect as in "time,times and an dividing of time" one thousand(singular)+two thousand(plural) then an half so 3.5 thousand years or as in Daniel 9:27 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/daniel/9-27.htm in the middle of the prophetic week(Genesis 2:4) half way in the world history ect.
Yes, i can see that. We also have 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 , 1 John 2:18-19 and Daniel ch7 and Revelation
Do i believe they will build a third Temple in earth bound Jerusalem - right now i am undecided and have leaned against that because, as you said, if it was already fulfilled.
Secondly, we are the Temple of God and what is coming is about the End Time AoD standing where it should not -in Man.
This is why the LORD said "as in the Days of Noah, they were married and given in marriage."
PEACE and Happy Thanksgiving to ALL the Brethren
Do i believe they will build a third Temple in earth bound Jerusalem - right now i am undecided and have leaned against that because, as you said, if it was already fulfilled.
Secondly, we are the Temple of God and what is coming is about the End Time AoD standing where it should not -in Man.
This is why the LORD said "as in the Days of Noah, they were married and given in marriage."
PEACE and Happy Thanksgiving to ALL the Brethren
Good to see you also my friend...
And also as both Paul and Peter stated in Romans 13:1 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13-1.htm and https://biblehub.com/1_peter/2-18.htm they instruct that we are submit to the masters appointed over us/them. So the Jews as we know did bow to Gods judgment under Babylon and then Persia and Greece but when it came to the fourth beast(Rome) they thought to "revolt"(66-70 then 167ad) and not follow what the Apostles suggested(Scriptures I gave) but instead by revolting they desired to cast off their servitude(mentioned in Danial) and so against God,,,they did not continue until the times of the gentiles was fulfilled.
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we both know there is a gathering postrib.
in that gathering you somehow need it to be 1 thes4.
here it is;
mk 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
see that?
see the order of events?
Trib ends
Jesus comes in power and destroys the enemy
THEN...AFTER THAT....Jesus sends angels to gather or assemble his chosen ones.
That means there is not the slightest chance of the dead or living to meet him in the air.
Yeah you really showed us didn't you?...too funny.
You guys got a tough job slamming through Gods word all belligerent like you do,
So i do understand your desperation.
in that gathering you somehow need it to be 1 thes4.
here it is;
mk 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
see that?
see the order of events?
Trib ends
Jesus comes in power and destroys the enemy
THEN...AFTER THAT....Jesus sends angels to gather or assemble his chosen ones.
That means there is not the slightest chance of the dead or living to meet him in the air.
Yeah you really showed us didn't you?...too funny.
You guys got a tough job slamming through Gods word all belligerent like you do,
So i do understand your desperation.
YES, When the LORD comes there will be the Resurrection/Gathering.
You need to remember that the LORD did not give the full details of His Coming/Resurrection until AFTER He ascended - ACTS ch1
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
John 16
You need to remember that the LORD did not give the full details of His Coming/Resurrection until AFTER He ascended - ACTS ch1
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
John 16
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All the four beast of Daniel were to rule over them until Gods appointed punishment was complete,,,They, the Jews decided to revolt and break off Romes rule over them (ad66) but Romes rule over them was not yet complete. Afterwards they were carried away into captivity as the Lord explained to them(seven times more).... It's interesting to see what the Apostles suggested in the NT epistles in that their advice was to remain in subjection to the then master(fourth beast/Rome) as if they understood to still submit to it as ordained by God.
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And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. 44And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
When HE Returns - they all come crashing down.
Gotta go now - Good Nite Brother
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Yes and in being disobedient to Gods decree they were punished seven times more as he said https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 26&version=KJV they should have obeyed instead of revolting.
Me too good night,sweet dreams and an good holiday,,,see you in a few days if the Lord wills...
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Again, one generation has to not only see the AoD but all the things Christ listed which includes the second coming. That's why your view and any similar view is incorrect no matter how closely past events match the AoD. They all lack a large amount of events that happen in the same timeframe.
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