How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[lamad]

Never listen to anyone who contradicts themselves in the same post.

The truth is the word means BOTH in Revelation 20. It is the FIRST in sequence of two mass bodily resurrections AND it is the most honorable or important of the two.

I was quoting, thank you.

It is true, John wrote of the "first" or chief resurrection first before he wrote of the second death resurrection.
With that said, it is a big time error to imagine because this one says "first" no one could have been resurrected before this time. Jesus was the first to partake of this primary or most honorable resurrection.

 

[lamad]

Yep - First means FIRST justs as the LORD said - at His Coming will be the First Resurrection AFTER that the rapture.

Matthew ch 24 , 1 Thess & 2 Thess & James ch5 and 1 John 2:14-19 and Revelation

Jesus first - nearly 2000 years ago, the church next, the 144,000 after that, and finally the Old Testament saints - all will partake of that "first" resurrection in their order.

 

[DavidTree]

am i though.............

Firstfruit is another, Holy Spirit Fire of God that burns up the error of pre-trib rapture.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

 

[lamad]

You words have no value.

Where is the pre-trib verse???

The LORD has spoken and you rise against His words "Immediately after the tribulation..........His Coming" Mtthew 24:29-31

You words have no value. And your does? HA!

Where is the pre-trib verse???
Rev. 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

"Immediately after the tribulation..........His Coming" Yes, OF COURSE He is coming after the trib, but the church and the OT saints are coming WITH HIM.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus first - nearly 2000 years ago, the church next, the 144,000 after that, and finally the Old Testament saints - all will partake of that "first" resurrection in their order.

When do you think you will have your New Updated Bible printed???

You can call it the New Updated 'Pre-Trib Guide to the Heavens' Bible.

 

[DWR]

Which implies that every child of God will be looking for His appearing at the Rapture.

So this FALSE TEACHER in implying that those who do not believe in the FALSE teaching of a pre-trib "rapture of the church" are lost and hell bound.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

BUMP

@DavidTree ,

Revelation 14:4 says (re: the 144,000), "These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb." (compare with Lev23:17... the second of two distinct mentions of "firstfruit" in Lev23).

What do you believe it means by its saying they are "firstfruit"? (since we / "the Church which is His body" are also called "firstfruit")

[again, as I said before, the word "firstfruit" ≠ "rapture"... they don't mean the same thing (are not "defined" the same)... but my question to you, DavidTree, is... what does it mean for the "144,000" (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel listed in chpt 7) to be called "firstfruit" (Rev14:4)?? "Firstfruit" what??]

Any idea?


I think you agree that the "144,000" will exist in the future period of time commonly called the [7 yr] Tribulation period, right? Why are they called "firstfruit"? What does that word refer to?



[for the readers: bear in mind James 1:18 saying, "Having willed it, He brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be A KIND of [/A CERTAIN] firstfruits of His creatures."]

 

[DavidTree]

You words have no value. And your does? HA!

Where is the pre-trib verse???
Rev. 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

"Immediately after the tribulation..........His Coming" Yes, OF COURSE He is coming after the trib, but the church and the OT saints are coming WITH HIM.

Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

My words don't count either - but i know Who does.........

YES, by the word of the LORD = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 = the dead Saints in Christ will come with Him = DEAD - Get IT.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep/died, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who died in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

There are no raptured Saints in Heaven and there won't be any there at all until HE Comes Back to Resurrect the Dead in HIM.

 

[ewq1938]

With that said, it is a big time error to imagine because this one says "first" no one could have been resurrected before this time.

Of course it's not speaking of the very first resurrection and no one here is claiming that so why bring it up? Revelation 20 has two mass bodily resurrections, and the first one is called the first resurrection. It is first not only in sequence but first as in the most important and that is because it is the saved resurrecting as immortals while the second resurrection is a resurrection to damnation.

 

[DavidTree]

BUMP

@DavidTree ,



Any idea?

Dear Brother, are you ready to rejoice and be set FREE from the error of pre-trib........

Firstfruit is another, Holy Spirit Fire of God that burns up the error of pre-trib rapture.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

 

[soberxp]

So this FALSE TEACHER in implying that those who do not believe in the FALSE teaching of a pre-trib "rapture of the church" are lost and hell bound.

We all need to sleep( death) then "rapture" or meeting Jesus in heaven.
Why we all need to sleep ?
cuz we shoud take up our own cross as Jesus died on the cross, we died with Jesus and raise with Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

We all need to sleep( death) then "rapture" or meeting Jesus in heaven.
Why we all need to sleep ?
cuz we shoud take up our own cross as Jesus died on the cross, we died with Jesus and raise with Jesus.

Sin came into the world and death by sin. All have sinned therefore all will die.

We do not fear death because our spirit goes directly to the Lord, if we are in Christ.

The when the Lord returns, HE will resurrect our dead bodies and change them into the likeness of His Glorified Body.

 

[DWR]

I can no longer be a part of a forum that allows so much heresy to abound by the false teachers. I pray you will learn the truth and if not God will silence you.
Please remove my name from this forum.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Dear Brother, are you ready to rejoice and be set FREE from the error of pre-trib........

Firstfruit is another, Holy Spirit Fire of God that burns up the error of pre-trib rapture.

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

Wait... I'm trying to figure out what you mean by your answer.

So this text you just quoted says, "and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."


Are you saying that the word "firstfruit" pertains (in every case) to: "out-from the dead... of those having fallen asleep" [/physically died]?

--Will there be any who will be a part of the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto"?? (you seem to say, "NO!!" to this idea)

--Or just that all must physically "die" in order to be considered "firstfruit" according to the way you seem to be explaining the word?





What does James 1:18 mean, when it says, "Having willed it, He brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be A KIND of [/A CERTAIN] firstfruits of His creatures."

--Are we "a kind of firstfruit" even now?

--Or must we first physically "die" in order to qualify as "firstfruit" (according to the way you seem to be explaining the word "firstfruit" and what it's referencing)?

 

[DavidTree]

I can no longer be a part of a forum that allows so much heresy to abound by the false teachers. I pray you will learn the truth and if not God will silence you.
Please remove my name from this forum.

i will miss you Brother but i understand your unsettling as they are indeed speaking heresy - PEACE

 

[ewq1938]

I can no longer be a part of a forum that allows so much heresy to abound by the false teachers. I pray you will learn the truth and if not God will silence you.
Please remove my name from this forum.

Matthew 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

[DavidTree]

Wait... I'm trying to figure out what you mean by your answer.

So this text you just quoted says, "and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."


Are you saying that the word "firstfruit" pertains (in every case) to: "out-from the dead... of those having fallen asleep" [/physically died]?

--Will there be any who will be a part of the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto"?? (you seem to say, "NO!!" to this idea)

--Or just that all must physically "die" in order to be considered "firstfruit" according to the way you seem to be explaining the word?





What does James 1:18 mean, when it says, "Having willed it, He brought us forth by the word of truth, for us to be A KIND of [/A CERTAIN] firstfruits of His creatures."

--Are we "a kind of firstfruit" even now?

--Or must we first physically "die" in order to qualify as "firstfruit" (according to the way you seem to be explaining the word "firstfruit" and what it's referencing)?

The Scripture is clear Brother- 1 Cor ch15 is very clear - i will let you dwell on this tonight.

 

[peldom10]

I hope you will explain this in depth.

Sorry if I was to brief;
I could write a book on explanations but, hopefully this will illuminate my point.

The society will and is being gradually lead down the road of indifference to God and eternal salvation. We are experiencing that now and it will only get worse...gradually...in all respects. Example....same sex togetherness (no it is not marriage...the Bible defines a marriage...between a man and a woman),is an example of my thought; 30 years ago it was not socially acceptable and now it is applauded. Cussing now acceptable by the government over the air ways, a secular tolerance,,along. with abortion, et al.
Sodom and Gomorrah all over again. Remember that had proliferated for years and finally God had enough.

 

[peldom10]

So you are implying that people like me who do not believe in the pre-trib rapture are not saved.
I am a child of God. A born again believer. One who accepts what the Scripture clearly states.
ALL saints will be gathered at His second coming. This is the First resurrection. ALL who are not in the FIRST resurrection will suffer the second death which is eternal Hell.

No earthling is ......saved ......until after physical death and God's judgement decrees that we are saved.
While on this earth we are...... born again.....if we have repented, baptized and are living a righteous life. Part of that righteous life style is believing in God's word which ....yes...includes that there will be a rapture and Great tribulation period.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So this FALSE TEACHER in implying that those who do not believe in the FALSE teaching of a pre-trib "rapture of the church" are lost and hell bound.

First of all it has yet to be established that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a false teaching. You can make that claim, but there are hundreds of thousands of Christians who will tell you that you are clueless. As to saying that those who do not believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture are lost and hell bound, that would be as stupid as saying that the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is heresy.

The most that anyone should do is simply say that they do not agree with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, even though they cannot produce any evidence that it is not so. Vitriol and venom cannot replace Bible interpretation.