Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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Aidan1

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I believe the way to get out of this mess is by herd immunity naturally. Plus, the people who gave us the virus are the same people backing the vaccines. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
So, it would be fine if this is possible. But those, who dont have naturally immunity this will present not help.
I dont like vaccines. But I realize that they are present without alternative.
We are getting slowly Winter in germany. And the infection numbers are higher then last year in this time. Nobody wants lockdowns.
So social distance, mask, vaccation is the only way to avoid a lockdown and overfill the icu's. This is a proofable fact.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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so, penn posted a study from the new england journal of medicine.




so, do you disagree because it says something you do not like??
NO,

I degree with it because I do not see proof that what is said is true.

If what Penn keeps posting day after day was true, I would see it. Many people would see it. I own two residences, and no matter what place I am in when I go out and talk with it with neighbors and friends and coworkers and doctors and pharmasists (my wife knows the pharmacist she works with personally) You do not hear or see any proof this nonsense is true

The only place I hear this stuff is on Christian chat, and christian forums, two places I visit regularly.

why is this I must ask myself?

Well I think I know the answer.

If I start to see proof this stuff is true, I will act accordingly. Until then, I will laugh at all the fear mongering people are doing, especially when they do it in the name of God (fear of the mark of the beast. Or the mark of the end or whatever thing it is this day)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you Do get sick from covid In the future please be kind enough to post your thoughts on how you feel about getting or Not getting the vaccination,thanks.
I already posts how a few regretted not getting the vacc. Even former anti vacc people. Some of who died of Covid.

I know of two coworkers who wish they got it Befor they got infected. They are still suffering ill effects of getting the virus
 

gb9

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NO,

I degree with it because I do not see proof that what is said is true.

If what Penn keeps posting fray after day was true, I would see it. Many people would see it. I own two residences, and no matter what place I am in when I go out and talk with it with neighbors and friends and coworkers and doctors and pharmasists (my wife knows the pharmacist she works with personally) You do not hear or see any proof this nonsense is true

The only place I hear this stuff is on Christian chat, and christian forums, two places I visit regularly.

why is this I must ask myself?

Well I think I know the answer.

If I start to see proof this stuff is true, I will act accordingly. Until then, I will laugh at all the fear mongering people are doing, especially when they do it in the name of God (fear of the mark of the beast. Or the mark of the end or whatever thing it is this day)

i do not personally know anyone who has got bitten by a rattlesnake, but that does not mean that they do not happen

just because you do not personally know someone who has a had a bad reaction does not mean they do not exist..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I posted this earlier. Again, people only read what they want to read.

For all the people who are saying this vaccine and any deaths are uncalled for and evil. Well it is actually quite normal. Smallpox did not get eradicated overnight. many people died of the experimental treatments they were being given, and even people died of the disease even though they were inoculated. It took years for the cure. And anyone who thinks we are going to get rid of covid in just a few years is not lookin gat history or reality

Interesting article on the history of smallpox and the smallpox vaccine (actually I did not know it. But the term vaccine came from the attempt to cure smallpox, by using cowpox.

The article can be found here


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

Here is a snip from the article. One must remember, by the tine many years of study had been concluded, unlike the covid vaccine which has not even been on trial for 2 years yet.

In Europe, where the medical profession was relatively organized, the new methods of variolation became known quickly among physicians. Since there was also a demand for protection against smallpox, physicians soon began the variolation procedure on a massive scale. Although 2% to 3% of variolated persons died from the disease, became the source of another epidemic, or suffered from diseases (e.g., tuberculosis and syphilis) transmitted by the procedure itself, variolation rapidly gained popularity among both aristocratic and common people in Europe. The case-fatality rate associated with variolation was 10 times lower than that associated with naturally occurring smallpox. In the 1750s more European princes died of smallpox, giving further impetus for the use of variolation (3). Among those variolated were Empress Marie-Therese of Austria and her children and grandchildren, Frederick II of Prussia, King Louis XVI of France and his children, and Catherine II of Russia and her son. King Frederick II of Prussia also inoculated all his soldiers. In fact, variolation was widely practiced in Europe until Jenner's discovery.

The regular practice of variolation reached the New World in 1721 (9). Under the guidance of the Rev. Cotton Mather (1663–1728) and Dr. Zabdiel Boylston (1679–1766), variolation became quite popular in the colonies. Mather, a graduate of Harvard College, was always very interested in science and medicine. When a ship from the West Indies carried persons sick with smallpox into Boston in 1721, an epidemic broke out in Boston and other parts of Massachusetts. Mather wrote a cautious letter recommending immediate variolation. However, he persuaded only Dr. Boylston. With Mather's support, Boylston immediately started a variolation program and continued to inoculate many volunteers, despite many adversaries in both the public and the medical community in Boston. As the disease spread, so did the controversy around Mather and Boylston (12). At the height of the epidemic, a bomb was thrown into Mather's house.

To make their point, Mather and Boylston used a statistical approach to compare the mortality rate of natural smallpox infection with that contracted by variolation. During the great epidemic of 1721, approximately half of Boston's 12,000 citizens contracted smallpox. The fatality rate for the naturally contracted disease was 14%, whereas Boylston and Mather reported a mortality rate of only 2% among variolated individuals (12). This may have been the first time that comparative analysis was used to evaluate a medical procedure.


of interest is the fact that 2 % of the people who had the innoculation still died. While only 14 % of those who did nt have it died.

Yet we have people screaming here that people still are dieting even after recieving an injection as it it is some new thing that never happened before
 
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eternally-gratefull

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i do not personally know anyone who has got bitten by a rattlesnake, but that does not mean that they do not happen

just because you do not personally know someone who has a had a bad reaction does not mean they do not exist..
I never said they did not

I already acknowledged people will have bad reactions and even die

That is to be expected with any vaccine.

Thats not what this is about. This is about PennEd and others spreading fear and saying they are trying to kill 7 billion people with this vaccine that is poison.

if it is as bad as he said, I WOULD SEE PROOF

How many people get bit by rattlesnakes? compaired to how many people have recieved the covid 19 Vaccine?
 

gb9

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I never said they did not

I already acknowledged people will have bad reactions and even die

That is to be expected with any vaccine.

Thats not what this is about. This is about PennEd and others spreading fear and saying they are trying to kill 7 billion people with this vaccine that is poison.

if it is as bad as he said, I WOULD SEE PROOF

How many people get bit by rattlesnakes? compaired to how many people have recieved the covid 19 Vaccine?

just some quick research - about 194 million people in u.s. fully vaccinated .


about 1.75 million adverse reactions being reported to v.a.r.e.s

so, a little less than 1%.

just the numbers, nothing more.
 

kinda

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just some quick research - about 194 million people in u.s. fully vaccinated .


about 1.75 million adverse reactions being reported to v.a.r.e.s

so, a little less than 1%.

just the numbers, nothing more.

Maybe this is true, but we are only about 11 months into the vaccine. There are no long term studies that were done, since Corona Virus came out in 2019, and vaccine roll out was late 2020, to current.

Seen interviews where the Corona Virus Vaccine is suppose to have the most deaths, per any vaccine so far. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
 

gb9

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Maybe this is true, but we are only about 11 months into the vaccine. There are no long term studies that were done, since Corona Virus came out in 2019, and vaccine roll out was late 2020, to current.

Seen interviews where the Corona Virus Vaccine is suppose to have the most deaths, per any vaccine so far. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

here is my take- are all the deaths being reported all true?

no.

all they are false??

no.

the truth is somewhere in the middle.
 

PennEd

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so, penn posted a study from the new england journal of medicine.




so, do you disagree because it says something you do not like??
I can’t deal with that level of stupidity.

Imagine basing how the gene therapy is working by yourself, and 5 dudes you know, instead of renowned medical journals.
 

Nehemiah6

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Seen interviews where the Corona Virus Vaccine is suppose to have the most deaths, per any vaccine so far. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
This is absolutely correct. Read this article:
The Vaccine Death Coverup —First Published In May By Virginia Stoner —Follow Up For This Month Next Blog
OCTOBER 31, 2021 / BRIANPECKFORD
https://peckford42.wordpress.com/20...ia-stoner-follow-up-for-this-month-next-blog/

There is a chart in this article (also published by others since it is in the public domain) which shows you that vaccine deaths since 1990 were averaging around 150 per year (official data). But in 2021 they shot up to 3,409 to May only (and the year is not even over!)

What should have happened about a year ago is that ABSOLUTELY EVERY BOGUS VACCINE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED. And all the perps should have been arrested and locked up (or sent to Nuremberg). Instead we have evil vaccine mandates in the face of these disastrous results. Is there any doubt that Satan is behind this?
 

Aidan1

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just some quick research - about 194 million people in u.s. fully vaccinated .


about 1.75 million adverse reactions being reported to v.a.r.e.s

so, a little less than 1%.

just the numbers, nothing more.
1.75 million reactions. This can be everything, from light to heavy. How many out of them died because of the vaccine?
And how many died because of the virus?
 

Aidan1

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This is absolutely correct. Read this article:
The Vaccine Death Coverup —First Published In May By Virginia Stoner —Follow Up For This Month Next Blog
OCTOBER 31, 2021 / BRIANPECKFORD
https://peckford42.wordpress.com/20...ia-stoner-follow-up-for-this-month-next-blog/

There is a chart in this article (also published by others since it is in the public domain) which shows you that vaccine deaths since 1990 were averaging around 150 per year (official data). But in 2021 they shot up to 3,409 to May only (and the year is not even over!)

What should have happened about a year ago is that ABSOLUTELY EVERY BOGUS VACCINE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED. And all the perps should have been arrested and locked up (or sent to Nuremberg). Instead we have evil vaccine mandates in the face of these disastrous results. Is there any doubt that Satan is behind this?
This is nonsense. You would have a multiple much more number of death and many more lock downs without this vaccine.
This is reality!
That you as follower of Christ spreading such kind of disinformation, hate and fear is disastrous.
 
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I can’t deal with that level of stupidity.

Imagine basing how the gene therapy is working by yourself, and 5 dudes you know, instead of renowned medical journals.
This is one of the most anti Christian posts I have seen from you

Your problem is there are many renowned medical professionals that disagree with the ones you listen too.

And 5 dudes? You have not listened to a word I say. Only 5?

Again what happened to you?
 
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