Seventh Day Adventist
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I'd call it exposing the bad teachings of the SDA and EW.
It is wrong to confuse God the Son with a created angel.
It's wrong to think only SDA's are saved.
It's wrong to think Sunday worshipers will receive the mark of the beast.
It is wrong and non-scriptural to suggest keeping the Sabbath will be outlawed.
It is wrong to confuse God the Son with a created angel.
It's wrong to think only SDA's are saved.
It's wrong to think Sunday worshipers will receive the mark of the beast.
It is wrong and non-scriptural to suggest keeping the Sabbath will be outlawed.
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I just don't understand the fascination that some members have regarding Ellen White.
I don't believe that SDA seriously believe that only their members can be saved.
They do push the narrative about compulsary Sunday worship being the mark of the beast though. I learned that years ago attending an 8 week course on Revelation taught by SDA. I agreed with virtually none of it and thought it was way off base. That Michael being Jesus stuff is wrong too.
They to believe in the Holy Trinity and salvation through the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for confessed sins. They are also very big on bible study which I certainly do approve of. I think that their dietary guidance is quite strange. That is all that it is though, guidance, and non-compliance, while perhaps being perceived as unwise, is not sinful.
The thing I had an issue with is your 666 stuff and pushing the idea that W is 2 V's just to make it add up to the mark of the beast. I thought that was either ludicrous or dishonest
Sorry if I came off as kind of harsh towards you. That was my bad..
I don't believe that SDA seriously believe that only their members can be saved.
They do push the narrative about compulsary Sunday worship being the mark of the beast though. I learned that years ago attending an 8 week course on Revelation taught by SDA. I agreed with virtually none of it and thought it was way off base. That Michael being Jesus stuff is wrong too.
They to believe in the Holy Trinity and salvation through the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for confessed sins. They are also very big on bible study which I certainly do approve of. I think that their dietary guidance is quite strange. That is all that it is though, guidance, and non-compliance, while perhaps being perceived as unwise, is not sinful.
The thing I had an issue with is your 666 stuff and pushing the idea that W is 2 V's just to make it add up to the mark of the beast. I thought that was either ludicrous or dishonest
Sorry if I came off as kind of harsh towards you. That was my bad..
I don't know what the official policy is, but I have seen SDA's say outsiders are not saved.
Agreed. I have attended a local SDA church...for a couple of those pretty dramatic movies, and a couple bible studies. I befriended the then Pastor and we did some private business plus I did some work for the church and various church members. I was invited to dinner several times. They are super nice people in general and have a great biblical work ethic but there are those other things that are concerning.
Right. Here's one experience at a bible study:
There is a nice SDA church near me and I've been there for bible study a number of times. Good people but I do take issues with several things including the zealousness of the Sabbath, the diet, Ellen White et al, and the fairly obvious anti-catholic sentiments, while not exactly befriending the Protestants lol
A funny thing once happened in bible study.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
They went into great lengths to prove in the Greek that the word "meat" here means food not literal animal flesh...and they are right it does....but they stopped right there lol
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
The problem is he did eat some fish meat. Their intention was to deny Christ ate literal meat but I found their thoroughness to be incomplete.
The other thing is Jesus ate of the Passover lamb.
Well, that came from various places on the internet, not from me but I think it's interesting and I do believe a W did come from putting two V's together.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted it. I have all this stuff saved in a file and I just started copying and pasting.
Agreed. I have attended a local SDA church...for a couple of those pretty dramatic movies, and a couple bible studies. I befriended the then Pastor and we did some private business plus I did some work for the church and various church members. I was invited to dinner several times. They are super nice people in general and have a great biblical work ethic but there are those other things that are concerning.
Right. Here's one experience at a bible study:
There is a nice SDA church near me and I've been there for bible study a number of times. Good people but I do take issues with several things including the zealousness of the Sabbath, the diet, Ellen White et al, and the fairly obvious anti-catholic sentiments, while not exactly befriending the Protestants lol
A funny thing once happened in bible study.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
They went into great lengths to prove in the Greek that the word "meat" here means food not literal animal flesh...and they are right it does....but they stopped right there lol
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
The problem is he did eat some fish meat. Their intention was to deny Christ ate literal meat but I found their thoroughness to be incomplete.
The other thing is Jesus ate of the Passover lamb.
Well, that came from various places on the internet, not from me but I think it's interesting and I do believe a W did come from putting two V's together.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted it. I have all this stuff saved in a file and I just started copying and pasting.
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I don't know what the official policy is, but I have seen SDA's say outsiders are not saved.
Agreed. I have attended a local SDA church...for a couple of those pretty dramatic movies, and a couple bible studies. I befriended the then Pastor and we did some private business plus I did some work for the church and various church members. I was invited to dinner several times. They are super nice people in general and have a great biblical work ethic but there are those other things that are concerning.
Right. Here's one experience at a bible study:
There is a nice SDA church near me and I've been there for bible study a number of times. Good people but I do take issues with several things including the zealousness of the Sabbath, the diet, Ellen White et al, and the fairly obvious anti-catholic sentiments, while not exactly befriending the Protestants lol
A funny thing once happened in bible study.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
They went into great lengths to prove in the Greek that the word "meat" here means food not literal animal flesh...and they are right it does....but they stopped right there lol
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
The problem is he did eat some fish meat. Their intention was to deny Christ ate literal meat but I found their thoroughness to be incomplete.
The other thing is Jesus ate of the Passover lamb.
Well, that came from various places on the internet, not from me but I think it's interesting and I do believe a W did come from putting two V's together.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted it. I have all this stuff saved in a file and I just started copying and pasting.
Agreed. I have attended a local SDA church...for a couple of those pretty dramatic movies, and a couple bible studies. I befriended the then Pastor and we did some private business plus I did some work for the church and various church members. I was invited to dinner several times. They are super nice people in general and have a great biblical work ethic but there are those other things that are concerning.
Right. Here's one experience at a bible study:
There is a nice SDA church near me and I've been there for bible study a number of times. Good people but I do take issues with several things including the zealousness of the Sabbath, the diet, Ellen White et al, and the fairly obvious anti-catholic sentiments, while not exactly befriending the Protestants lol
A funny thing once happened in bible study.
Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
They went into great lengths to prove in the Greek that the word "meat" here means food not literal animal flesh...and they are right it does....but they stopped right there lol
Luke 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
The problem is he did eat some fish meat. Their intention was to deny Christ ate literal meat but I found their thoroughness to be incomplete.
The other thing is Jesus ate of the Passover lamb.
Well, that came from various places on the internet, not from me but I think it's interesting and I do believe a W did come from putting two V's together.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted it. I have all this stuff saved in a file and I just started copying and pasting.
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I truly believe in my heart that salvation is the greatest part of our walk.
It give us the right to fellowship with God and learn of his character.
Jesus said"" sheep of another fold I have that ye know not of. I know he was talking to the Jews and meant the Gentiles.
I take it also down deeper maybe BC of ALL the division,to this level that only________________ are true believers, not so for I see no ones heart. He does,and I believe there will be some that have it right in their hearts from all the divided denominations.
If instead we weren't always acting like MARTHA but acted instead like MARY,I believe we'd be better off.
( busybody vs sitting at Jesus feet)
Furthermore we are told,STUDY to show YOURSELVES APPROVED OF GOD!
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My viewpoint is this.
If the SDA teaches that keeping the sabbath as they do prevents one from taking the mark of the beast then their eschatology is in error and needs to be corrected.
If they teach theses things to promote fear among the brethren let them be judged as heretics.
The fear factor is the practice of the Pharisees.
If the SDA teaches that keeping the sabbath as they do prevents one from taking the mark of the beast then their eschatology is in error and needs to be corrected.
If they teach theses things to promote fear among the brethren let them be judged as heretics.
The fear factor is the practice of the Pharisees.
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first off, I find it convoluted with verses chosen to underscore the belief of judgement having to do with those who 'reject the institution' declared by God, which, it seems, is Sabbath and not Sunday worship according to White. really, it is stating very clearly, after the preamble of castigating the Catholic church, that if you worship on Sunday, if you do not change to Saturday, you will take the mark of the beast
in particular:
But whe Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome, and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Home He is worshipping the beast and his image.
the wording is formal in a way we do not really practice today, but the intent is clear I believe. she does allow for sincere believers worshipping on Sunday up until Sunday is supposedly enforced by law, in which her adherents would worship on Saturday against the law and in that case, a side must be chosen and things will become clear as to who is and who is not worshipping the beast
so, she also seems to be prophesying regarding some Sunday law, but, which I find more alarming, is that she clearly seems to revere a day more than the Creator of the day and is in direct conflict with what Paul said in his letter to the Colossians.
there is history behind the thoughts on the Catholic church which many believe today, so that is nothing new.
that's what I understand. I read it twice. she is plainly saying if you worship Sunday, after the law forbidding any day but Sunday as a day of worship is passed, then you are of the antichrist
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And this observation/translation seems to go with in the OP my grandfather's letter to me.
“Did you know there will soon be a Sunday law in the USA requiring worship on Sunday? When this law is passed there will then be two classes of people....those who worship on Sunday and receive the mark of the beast and those who worship on the seventh day Sabbath and have the seal of god. There will be no fence sitting on this issue. The bible is clear on this and The Great Controversy book covers this in detail. When the law is passed, probation closes and those who continue to worship on Sunday are doomed...they will not be part of the first resurrection but will be part of the second. Confused about that? This book explains it all and is 100 percent biblically accurate. This book will bring your bible to life for you. Please take time to read it.
When you have read it you will understand why I keep the Sabbath and would rather be put to death than renounce the Sabbath.
Respectfully, your grandfather in law, ______.”
So by this doctrine they see me as a false Christian.
“Did you know there will soon be a Sunday law in the USA requiring worship on Sunday? When this law is passed there will then be two classes of people....those who worship on Sunday and receive the mark of the beast and those who worship on the seventh day Sabbath and have the seal of god. There will be no fence sitting on this issue. The bible is clear on this and The Great Controversy book covers this in detail. When the law is passed, probation closes and those who continue to worship on Sunday are doomed...they will not be part of the first resurrection but will be part of the second. Confused about that? This book explains it all and is 100 percent biblically accurate. This book will bring your bible to life for you. Please take time to read it.
When you have read it you will understand why I keep the Sabbath and would rather be put to death than renounce the Sabbath.
Respectfully, your grandfather in law, ______.”
So by this doctrine they see me as a false Christian.
No one sees the heart but we hear their words and see their actions. We in time can see the fruit. I wrote a thread a while back with the odd title of Thank God For Denominations, I believe the division is within God's sovereign plan of the Church age. Why? Division can be good. Especially the freedom to divide, debate, and think without persecution. Just think of the corruption done through out the ages with State Churches like the days of the Pilgrims and the Reformation.
Divide and debate helps preserve the truth of the gospel. The reformation started out of the great cataclysm which helped defeat the corruption of the Roman Catholic Church and Church of England.
But anyways we should protect the core doctrines of Christianity. That is worth dividing over like as we see in the Methodist, Baptists, and others are dividing over homosexual clergy.
Divide and debate helps preserve the truth of the gospel. The reformation started out of the great cataclysm which helped defeat the corruption of the Roman Catholic Church and Church of England.
But anyways we should protect the core doctrines of Christianity. That is worth dividing over like as we see in the Methodist, Baptists, and others are dividing over homosexual clergy.
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She is not entirely strict on the dietary element, she does believe in tithing but we haven't done that for awhile. Believes that you should not work on the Sabbath and tries to keep household chores to a minimum.
She has read a portion of Ellen White but does not elevate her to an idol status.
As I have mentioned, the SDA believes in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus was both human and divine and that salvation comes from His shed blood on the cross for the remission of sin.
Personally, I don't believe the SDA to be any better or worse than any Christian denomination. I will have to say though that the SDA is huge in helping the least of their brothers and sisters. For me, that's what humble service to the Lord is all about.
She has read a portion of Ellen White but does not elevate her to an idol status.
As I have mentioned, the SDA believes in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus was both human and divine and that salvation comes from His shed blood on the cross for the remission of sin.
Personally, I don't believe the SDA to be any better or worse than any Christian denomination. I will have to say though that the SDA is huge in helping the least of their brothers and sisters. For me, that's what humble service to the Lord is all about.
I dated a girl who grew up Mormon and after year's of showing the differences in scripture, she was baptized in my church. The biggest thing I learned was we often used the same words but when defined they meant something else. As to why I ask a lot of questions. The best question is often, “What do you mean by that? for instance.
“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY, VOL. 5 (EGW), PAGE 1129
What did she mean by saying that Jesus was not Lord God Almighty? Was she simply saying He was not God the Father but still part of the Trinity as the Son? Not sure.
As quoted in another post from the book The Great Controversy, salvation seems to also depend on Sabbath Saturday worship.
“The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one.” — SDA BIBLE COMMENTARY, VOL. 5 (EGW), PAGE 1129
What did she mean by saying that Jesus was not Lord God Almighty? Was she simply saying He was not God the Father but still part of the Trinity as the Son? Not sure.
As quoted in another post from the book The Great Controversy, salvation seems to also depend on Sabbath Saturday worship.
The Mormons are also huge in helping other people.
I agree to a point after all there is a difference on if you hold Saturday worship to be a true indicator of saving faith versus infant baptism or only a ordained pastor can hold communion which all are unbiblical. All 3 are unbiblical but one involves salvation.
Regardless all teachings that are untrue should be called out no matter what denomination or individual. Especially those related to salvation. In less we are not promoting truth. Denominations in general do often get criticized on this site so there is no bias other than I am personally connected to the topic related to my family's connection to the SDA.
I agree to a point after all there is a difference on if you hold Saturday worship to be a true indicator of saving faith versus infant baptism or only a ordained pastor can hold communion which all are unbiblical. All 3 are unbiblical but one involves salvation.
Regardless all teachings that are untrue should be called out no matter what denomination or individual. Especially those related to salvation. In less we are not promoting truth. Denominations in general do often get criticized on this site so there is no bias other than I am personally connected to the topic related to my family's connection to the SDA.
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"So what advantage does the Jew have, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, because they were entrusted with the oracles of God."—Romans 3:1-2
"For I could wish that I myself to be accursed from Christ on behalf of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, of whom are the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the law-giving, and the worship, and the promises;"—Romans 9:3-4
"For what manner of nation is so great, which has God so near to them as the Lord our God is in all things in whatsoever we may call upon him? And what manner of nation is so great, which has righteous ordinances and judgments according to all this law, which I set before you this day?"—Deuteronomy 4:7-8
"For I could wish that I myself to be accursed from Christ on behalf of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, of whom are the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the law-giving, and the worship, and the promises;"—Romans 9:3-4
"For what manner of nation is so great, which has God so near to them as the Lord our God is in all things in whatsoever we may call upon him? And what manner of nation is so great, which has righteous ordinances and judgments according to all this law, which I set before you this day?"—Deuteronomy 4:7-8
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