Saved by Water
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?? Still can't answer simple questions.
Sorry, but I have no more energy for you two.
Again, the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who will be water-baptized in Jesus' Name.
It may not be the core doctrine in holy scripture; but it is a core doctrine.
Those who receive this water baptism will be more equipped to minister to those around them because they will have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost as the result of receiving water-baptism in Jesus' Name (Acts 2:38-39).
I am uncertain why it is that certain pastors insist on baptizing in titles when the scripture is clear that
1) water baptism doth also now save us (1 Peter 3:20-21); and,
2) there is none other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved, other than the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Acts 4:10-12).
Seeing that these two things are true, it should be clear that baptism in titles will not save but that water baptism in the Name will in fact save.
For remission of sins and the Holy Ghost are absolutely promised as the result of receiving baptism in Jesus' Name.
And there is no such promise given concerning being baptized in titles.
Since having the Holy Ghost = salvation (Romans 8:9), I conclude that a person can absolutely secure salvation by receiving baptism in Jesus' Name; since the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to all those who receive this ordinance.
Those who receive baptism in titles have no such promise of the Holy Ghost.
And even if the Holy Ghost wasn't = to salvation, it might be expedient to receive it anyway; since one can receive power for ministry if or when they receive the Holy Ghost.
Act 1:8, But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
I'm sorry, JBF, but I ran out of steam on this topic. I just don't have the energy to go round and round without the ability to resolve anything. I want Peace in my life, and I find that these kinds of discussions don't edify [me] in any way. Instead, I seem to end up with a small sense of suffering and grief, which is not what I would want for anyone. The last reason for my being "here" is to enter into fruitless discussions that only confuse our readers. I don't want to do that.
I'm walking away from this thread. Take care, and may the Lord grant you the most incredible of Blessing. I sincerely mean that.,
I would only say to you that if you have not yet received baptism in Jesus' Name and are given the opportunity in the future,
Don't pass up the opportunity.
LOL - I received water baptism and promptly walked down to the Seven-11 store, hair still wet, and stole a bag of rubber bands for my paper route. From there, my life went from bad to insanely worse. Water baptism just got me wet.
However, Baptism of the Holy Spirit happened to me in the middle of the Arizona desert, and since that day, my life has been on an upward climb in obedience.
It was that day that my heart was Spiritually Circumcised by Christ; I was Powerfully Indwelt by the Holy Spirit to the degree that if I had felt more of His Power, my physical body would have been altered. The Power I felt was not of this physical world.
I don't know what else to tell you . . . and I'm sorry to say this, but you don't listen to me. So . . . I wish you the very best of luck and that the Lord would grant you the exact same Blessing that He has granted to me.
I also received a powerful experience with the Lord; and this before I was baptized in Jesus' Name.
I walked strong with the Lord for a full year after that as one who may have even been wholly sanctified.
When I backslid, it became expedient for me at a certain point to re-dedicate my life to the Lord through baptism in Jesus' Name.
I denied the Lord at one point and I believe that my baptism was a more powerful confession than was my denial of Him.
I do believe that the conditional promise of Acts 2:38-39 is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I would encourage you to meditate on how this scripture (Acts 2:39) coincides with Romans 8:30...
Really think about how these verses apply together to teach that baptism in Jesus' Name is a necessary thing.
You would do well to examine this argument in order to see whether or not it is valid.
Because if it is valid, then baptism in Jesus' Name is a requirement for salvation.
Because I really had the Holy Ghost when I was offered baptism in Jesus' Name, I did not refuse it when it was offered to me.
Hebrews 6:4-6 NIV - "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."
It was scary for me too; but seeing as Jesus restored Peter after he had denied Him three times, I did not see it as beyond the realm of possibility that He might restore me also through a more absolute confession of Jesus as Lord...in identifying with Him in His death, burial, and resurrection through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
That's not what I was referring to. I was referring to your denial of Jesus.
Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
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Psa 31:22, For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee.
Act 27:20, And when neither sun nor stars in many days appeared, and no small tempest lay on us, all hope that we should be saved was then taken away.
Act 27:21, But after long abstinence Paul stood forth in the midst of them, and said, Sirs, ye should have hearkened unto me, and not have loosed from Crete, and to have gained this harm and loss.
Act 27:22, And now I exhort you to be of good cheer: for there shall be no loss of any man's life among you, but of the ship.
Act 27:23, For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
Act 27:24, Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.
Luk 1:37, For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Job 14:7, For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Job 14:8, Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground;
Job 14:9, Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant.
Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
That's what I was referring to also.
Peter was restored after denying the Lord three times; is he the only one who is privy to such restoration as the Lord can give?
If we deny Him before men, he also will deny us;
But if we also confess Him again later, will He not also confess us again?
Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8.
I don't recommend the experience to anyone; I had to go through hell getting back to the Lord.
Yes. Peter was a total pain in the neck. And then he pulls his stunts again in Galatians chapter 2. And Paul? I would have done exactly to Peter as he did . . . chew him out in front of everyone and then walk away. It is curious as to why we never read of Paul interacting with Peter again . . . which would be my feelings, too.
So, all I did was say that your denial of Christ is scary, and then we have it . . . off on a whole new tangent.
May I ask you this . . . why are you here? Are you here to learn or be the Bible Police?
So, all I did was say that your denial of Christ is scary, and then we have it . . . off on a whole new tangent.
May I ask you this . . . why are you here? Are you here to learn or be the Bible Police?
See Ezekiel 18 and 33.
I do my learning when I read my Bible on my own time.
There have been instances where the things that people have posted have opened my eyes to new insights.
But I am primarily here to give rather than to receive.