Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy
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How many times have I explained it to you?
That's not the only place Paul explains this idea to you.
Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
(Or "Do you still think the law can give you righteousness???)
2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Galatians 3:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
You can't take 1 scripture and try to twist it to mean the opposite of what Paul was trying to convey. He says the same things in different ways in different epistles.
Apparently you didn't understand any of them. Or you have Paul arguing with his own self.
We are made perfect by the Spirit as the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).
The promise by faith in Christ Jesus is told to us in 1 John 3:9.
If you knew you were justified by Christ then there would be no need for you to go back to the 10 commandments.
And you STILL conflate the Law of Liberty with the 10 commandments. You are so wrong.
YOU have James contradicting Paul. You know you MUST be in error, right?
You have James saying continue in the Law vs Paul saying don't go back to the Law.
You REALLY think the apostles contradict each other? REALLY?
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Our wisdom???Call back when you find some.
The fact of the matter is, I am obedient to the ten commandments because the love of the Lord has been shed abroad in my heart (Romans 5:5); whether I look to them or not (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).
However, I think that a little tidbit of wisdom given unto us by Solomon is pertinent here.
If anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).
The letter of the law cannot be obeyed by anyone (Galatians 6:13).
The spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6).
If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4)
That is an indictment on the church, isn't it?
It ought not to be that way.
But the devil has brought in false doctrines into the church and Christians have fallen for it; and their lives are the fruit of that doctrine.
An example is your first statement in this post, above.
Today if you will hear His voice, harden not your heart as in the day of provocation...
Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, Hebrews 4:7.
Grandpa, you have not understood anything I have said! You assume you have and label me a keeper of the Law.
But that's OK, it really doesn't matter to me what you think! Once again,
Paul told us the Law is holy and good! He told us the Law is not made void through faith, we establish the Law!
He told us that because the "flesh is weak" man can't keep this "holy and good" Law.
So Jesus came to keep the Law for us, He became the second Adam, undoing what Adam had done by sinning.
What you will not accept it that there is righteousness in the Law, BUT man cannot receive that righteousness from God by keeping the Law himself. Are you reading this? Do you understand this?
Perfect obedience had to be rendered by man to obtain this righteousness, again, fallen man cannot deep this Law and obtain the righteousness!
But, by the fact that Christ did keep the Law perfectly and defeated the of sin and death, through faith in Him, the Law is fulfilled in us through our sanctification process by the Holy Spirit. This is how the Law is fulfilled in us.
It is all based on faith in the One who kept the Law perfectly, without faith in Him the Law cannot be fulfilled in us.
But still, fallen man that believes in Christ, and the Law is being fulfilled in him by faith, cannot keep the Law! We will fail in areas as man is not yet perfect.
This means that man still cannot achieve the righteousness in the Law, the righteousness he has received for justification came from God as a free gift for believing in His Son.
The letter of the law cannot be kept (Galatians 6:13).
The spirit of what is written (Exodus 34:27) is a different story (Romans 7:6).
If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).
That means that we don't only keep it outwardly; we keep it inwardly.
Yep, real law is love.
The law say do not kill
Not kill not always love, I may not kill mr smith but I hate mr smith
We’ve been set free from sins dominion over us by the new word given
you are equating righteousness with Moses law that’s not what it contains it gives the understanding of sin and death being the result of sin . The righteousness in the law is not the righteousness of God
“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 3:21-23 KJV
Gods righteousness is not found in Moses law. It is revealed clearly in Christ and the gospel apart from the law of Moses without Moses law completely
“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Galatians 2:16-
The law can’t justify anyone
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
it has no power to justify or make anyone righteous. Contrary to popular belief many people in scripture kept the law of Moses but of those people it saved or redeemed no one paul
Actually compares keeping the law and being righteous by its works to “ dung “ and rubble
the thing is God was hidden behind the law and wasn’t actually revealed to mankind until Christ came forth. That’s our God and his word the things Christ said and did .
Moses and his law was just what set everything in motion it’s the first part of Gods plan to redeem
Mankind from sin . Before you can save sinners and teach them to repent you have to make sin known to them or they could never repent of sin and you have to show them why they need to repent that’s what the law is for to show mankind what sin is and what sin results in for us
sin and death . To have all the knowledge in the world of sin and death will not save any Christian it will always curse the free man who takes a yoke of slavery upon his own self
we’ve been set free from the law , because by the law sin has overcome
Mankind and we can be renewed and redeemed through the gospel and be given freedom from sins dominion and rule over us but as long as one is beholden to Moses law they can never be free of sin it will always be giving them knowledge of sin and death
the gospel always gives knowledge of righteousness and life
we’re set free for sins dominion over us so we don’t have to serve it anymore and die according to Moses law
I don't think Pharisees have to worry too much about that.
This is what they should be worried about;
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
The Law is only a description of righteousness.
It doesn't give you anything. Except condemnation and death.
The Lord Jesus gives us rest from this yoke of bondage.
Its a pretty good deal for us when you think about it. Not sure why people keep wanting to go back to the law. Probably because its a carnal thing they can understand. And its easy to explain to others.
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how do you see Paul being made a liar here if a person states the law is not given for righteousness/salvation?
perhaps you do not understand what Paul is saying even though you are quoting it?
8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8
there is no condemnation to those in Christ BECAUSE He kept the requirements of the law BECAUSE He never sinned
the law given to Israel was never meant to save anyone. it set up sin as the impediment between mankind and God who is holy
read v.3...GOD has created our way of salvation and not by the law which puts a magnifying glass on what? FLESH
flesh cannot keep the law and therefore is condemned by the law
SO God sent His own Son in the likeness of this sinful flesh so that sin was condemned in flesh BUT Jesus never sinned, SO the requirements of the law were FULFILLED
we are now walking after the Holy Spirit, not bound to keep the law and fulfill its requirements for sin
the law has not changed and God has not changed, so what has changed then?
our ability to go before our Creator without condemnation, not because of the law which was NEVER meant to save anyone, but because of God's plan for his wilful children through His Son in whom we are made whole, sinless before God and forgiven of our sins
WHY? because the life is in the blood as God declared in the OT....not the blood of animals with no moral compass or laws to obey, but through the blood of Christ
we are told often, NT, that it is through the blood of Christ that we are perfected (in Christ) and no longer condemned
this is all in scripture
I don't believe in luck, but good luck if you think the law declares righteousness to anyone
Its pretty easy to see what the error of people who attempt to place Christians under Law is.
Although, apparently, they can't see it themselves due to their ignorance of what scripture is ACTUALLY saying. I would call it a willful, purposeful ignorance. Even presented with Truth they reject it. Even presented with the logic of scripture they reject that too.
“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 KJV
Some read Moses law and never hear what Moses and the prophets really said
“And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
…Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
John 5:38-40, 45-47 KJV
When we look at the ot law the wrong way it can blind us to the gospel
The Law is still in effect for unbelieving Jews and the lawless.
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ,
that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Let it go, for it is the instrument of death. Grace Peace and Mercy only found in Christ Jesus our LORD - Amen
i see what your trying to fuse together, but it won't work.
The only way we keep the spirit of the Law is by the Holy Spirit, who will not lead us back to the Law, but forward in Christ.
What HE writes on our hearts to obey is from Him and not from the Law, even though their will be elements of the Law that we obey.
That obedience is not to the Law but to Christ.
Hi, many antinomianists insist the Old Covenant and God's Ten Commandment Moral Law are one in the same...so I always ask them to go to Romans 3:31 KJV and replace "law" with "Old Covenant" and then read it like that:
"Do we then make void the (Old Covenant) through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the (OLD COVENANT)."
Obviously, no sane New Covenant Christian will claim that the Old Covenant is established by Christians, yet these same antinomianists will continue to insist the Law and the Old Covenant are one one in the same, because in order to maintain their false belief, uncomfortable truth must take a back seat to comforting error.
Yes I agree and this is why the Lord had the prophets Isaiah say in 8: 16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 17And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
So one must understand that you have to both books New & Old Testament to deal with this word of God.