Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

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Duckybill said:
The second death meaning they were already dead but still alive. Death NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible. "Cease to exist" is JW / Kingdom Hall propaganda.

Rev "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER and EVER."
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I did not say that they cease to exist.

I believe that the lake of fire is eternal torments (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46).
 
Jocund said:
No passage explicitly states that.
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Yes it does unless you're JW.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Look at the Greek.
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Who said you're a Greek expert? Kingdom Hall maybe?
 
Duckybill said:
You already admitted you got circumsised. Stop backpeddling. Jesus said, "Christ will profit you nothing", You have become estranged from Christ", "you have fallen from grace"!

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
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Believe what you want to believe. It's no skin off my back; because you are full of malarkey.

Jesus did not cast me out when I came to Him simply because I was circumcised as a child (John 6:37).
 
justbyfaith said:
Believe what you want to believe. it's not skin off my back; because you are full of malarkey.

Jesus did not cast me out when I came to Him simply because I was circumcised as a child (John 6:37).
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As a child is not the same as getting circumcised for religion.
 
Duckybill said:
As a child is not the same as getting circumcised for religion.
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So, where is the condemnation?

You seemed so intent before on the idea that I am condemned because I was circumcised as a child.

I have simply laid out the biblical doctrine on the issue (if you would go back and look at the scriptures that I have posted on it).
 
Duckybill said:
Yes it does unless you're JW.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Who said you're a Greek expert? Kingdom Hall maybe?
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Mat 25:41 speaks of everlasting fire, not everlasting torment.

Rev 20:10 uses Strong's 165.

"Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity; by implication, the world; specially a Messianic period."

You could interpret the torment of the unsaved to be everlasting. You could also interpret the torment to end in annihilation. Both interpetatons are consistent with scripture.
 
justbyfaith said:
So, where is the condemnation?

You seemed so intent before on the idea that I am condemned because I was circumcised as a child.

I have simply laid out the biblical doctrine on the issue (if you would go back and look at the scriptures that I have posted on it).
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You didn't say "as a child" until very recent. The Scripture is not referring to child circumcision!
 
Jocund said:
Mat 25:41 speaks of everlasting fire, not everlasting torment.

Rev 20:10 uses Strong's 165.

"Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity; by implication, the world; specially a Messianic period."

You could interpret the torment of the unsaved to be everlasting. You could also interpret the torment to end in annihilation. Both interpetatons are consistent with scripture.
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Hell will be filled with JW's!
 
justbyfaith said:
It is not outside the realm of possibility; and therefore to deny it is to gamble on eternity, for some.
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One's speculation on what happens to the unsaved hardly seems to have bearing on whether one will be saved or not. I don't think someone needs to have perfect understanding to be saved.
 
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