Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[Charlie24]

who is this directed too?

Who was I having conversation with in that stretch? Was it you or Grandpa?

 

[Jocund]

Paul plainly told us in Rom. 8:3-4 that the righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in us?

But that can't be can it, Grandpa? That would mean you are wrong and that's not going to happen is it?

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Rom 8:3-4 KJV

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [who] walk after the Spirit."

The passage doesn't contradict Grandpa's comment that none can find righteousness through the [OT] law.

I don't understand your criticism.

 

[justbyfaith]

You missed the point. Just like Males and Females are ONE IN Christ but still DIFFERENT SEXES, Jews and Gentiles are indeed ONE in Christ but still DIFFERENT. So Paul is not emphasizing the point that the Church has taken the place of the Jews calling, God says His calling is without repentance, he is emphasizing that Gentiles (Galatians) do not have to become Jew like in their observances of God in order to make it to Heaven.

If you read the whole post you see I said WE ARE ONE because we come BY FAITH ALONE, but Paul is not speaking about that here, he's speaking about just the opposite thing, Galatians trying to be like the Jews in order to make Heaven bu OBSERVING the Laws which can not save us. Thus he tells them, HEY, BY FAITH WE ARE ALL THE SAME, both Male and Female, Jew and Greek (Gentile).

To be honest, I do not see how people can't get this, males and females are NOT ONE and the same and thus neither is the Jew and Gentile on this earth, the ONLY WAY we are one and the same is how we come unto Jesus Christ/God via Salvation, by FAITH ALONE. Thus, just like we still have males and females, we still have Jews and Gentiles. Both Jews and Gentiles can only come unto God BY FAITH ALONE. Both males and females can only come unto God BY FAITH ALONE. (that was Pauls' point) A lot of people miss his point and say, but, but, but, God says the Jews and Gentiles are both one, no He is not saying that at all, God is pointing out that both can only come unto Salvation in the exact same manner, by FATH ALONE, not by the Law. Likewise, men and women who REMAIN men and women can also only come unto God by FAITH ALONE !!

Any time you see anyone emphasizing the Jews are no longer a priority with God and point to this verse, just understand Satan has TWISTED ITS MEANING with a lot of people who do not have the common sense to understand that males and females are not ONE thus Jews and Gentiles are also not ONE, it's about our Salvation being the SAME, thus those Galatians were FOOLISH to try and gain Salvation via the old Jewish practices of serving the Law. We are all ONE in that we come unto God in ONE MANNER, Jews are still Jews and Gentiles are still Gentiles, just like men are still men and women still women.

I would agree with much of what you are saying here; nevertheless I would still contend that in Christ, Jews and Gentiles are in the same body (and therefore one).

 

[justbyfaith]

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 3:21-22
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Righteousness does not come by the law, it comes solely through faith in Jesus Christ.

We are justified solely through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ.

That being said, when we know that we know that we have been justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, we will be blessed if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it (James 1:25). It is not our righteousness but our wisdom, therefore, that we find when we seek to obey the moral tenets in the Old and New Testaments.

 

[justbyfaith]

no the law sentences all sinners to death , that’s why Jesus died to fulfill that sentence upon all by the law. It has zero absolutely nothing to do with the lake of fire it ends when the sinner is out to death that’s the end of the law

The lake of fire is the second death (Revelation 20:10-15)..

 

[Charlie24]

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Rom 8:3-4 KJV

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [who] walk after the Spirit."

The passage doesn't contradict Grandpa's comment that none can find righteousness through the [OT] law.

I don't understand your criticism.

This is what happens when someone comes in midstream of a long conversation between others.

Grandpa has said there is no righteousness in the Law, the Law is sin and death. Paul says there is righteousness in the Law that is fulfilled in us by the Holy Spirit. He is just wording it here a different way.

Not condemning you, just saying you don't know the full conversation.

 

[justbyfaith]

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

again it’s not moses who’s going to do this

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again moses is not the judge Jesus is

I'll accept that it is Jesus' word rather than Moses' that will judge us on our day of judgment.

I would only mention that Jesus validates the law of Moses in Matthew 5:17-20.

And if He hadn't done so, He wouldn't have been the Messiah; for it is prophesied of the Messiah that He will "magnify the law and make it honourable." (Isaiah 42:21)

 

[Magenta]

Sorry, about the spelling, but when I get finished with a post on most sites, I have something to do and thus I hit post, but only on this site can you not edit after 5 minutes, I have zero understanding why. ANYWAY........

You are not finished with a post until you have properly proof-read it. Doing so may not always eliminate all errors and/or omissions, but drastically helps cut down on them. If the post in question is lengthy and you see a lot of errors after posting reply, it may be best to copy the post as is and then delete it in order to make all the necessary changes in a timely manner before reposting the edited version.

A five minute edit has been standard here for as long as I can remember. If anyone could change their posts well after having made them, there would be chaos and no way to ascertain what was was originally said after however many people responded to what is no longer there to verify. There have been a small number of people over the years who complained constantly about the five minute edit window, and yet they knew the solution, which was within their grasp. Some others do not seem to mind making spelling and grammatical errors all the time... or maybe they just don't know any better. I sometimes think of something to add after having posted, and I am not always able to add it. However, I can make a separate post for such thoughts if I deem them relevant enough. Heh, we had a member who would delete a lot of posts they made, so you had to really be on top of the thread to catch things they said, and if you were actually able to quote any of the subsequently deleted posts, it became a topic of discussion, and one time mod said he was so curious to see what had been deleted, he told us he had a way of finding out. I wonder what he discovered LOL.

 

[justbyfaith]

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Rom 8:3-4 KJV

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us [who] walk after the Spirit."

The passage doesn't contradict Grandpa's comment that none can find righteousness through the [OT] law.

I don't understand your criticism.

You may actually be getting the fact that in my incessant quoting of Romans 8:4, I am not preaching righteousness through law-keeping.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who was I having conversation with in that stretch? Was it you or Grandpa?

Was not me

did you have anything to add to that post? can you explain how you came to your conclusion he did not understand something?

 

[Charlie24]

Was not me

did you have anything to add to that post? can you explain how you came to your conclusion he did not understand something?

He obviously doesn't care, he has expressed no desire to understand it.

Nothing but negative from him!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He obviously doesn't care, he has expressed no desire to understand it.

Nothing but negative from him!

or is it he does not see it your way. And you have no desire to understand it from his perspective.

Your post was prety negative. since it had no proof of your allegations. That was my point..

We all can be that way, I was trying to point out to you and hope you would explain.

 

[Charlie24]

or is it he does not see it your way. And you have no desire to understand it from his perspective.

Your post was prety negative. since it had no proof of your allegations. That was my point..

We all can be that way, I was trying to point out to you and hope you would explain.

Yes, I'm sure it's a mutual problem. But I think that conversation was between me and him.

 

[Rondonmon]

You are not finished with a post until you have properly proof-read it. Doing so may not always eliminate all errors and/or omissions, but drastically helps cut down on them. If the post in question is lengthy and you see a lot of errors after posting reply, it may be best to copy the post as is and then delete it in order to make all the necessary changes in a timely manner before reposting the edited version.

A five minute edit has been standard here for as long as I can remember. If anyone could change their posts well after having made them, there would be chaos and no way to ascertain what was was originally said after however many people responded to what is no longer there to verify. There have been a small number of people over the years who complained constantly about the five minute edit window, and yet they knew the solution, which was within their grasp. Some others do not seem to mind making spelling and grammatical errors all the time... or maybe they just don't know any better. I sometimes think of something to add after having posted, and I am not always able to add it. However, I can make a separate post for such thoughts if I deem them relevant enough. Heh, we had a member who would delete a lot of posts they made, so you had to really be on top of the thread to catch things they said, and if you were actually able to quote any of the subsequently deleted posts, it became a topic of discussion, and one time mod said he was so curious to see what had been deleted, he told us he had a way of finding out. I wonder what he discovered LOL.

I am finished when I hit post.....BECAUSE they have no edit, I don't really care. I have things to do like my pets having to go outside to do their business etc. etc.

The only site I have ever been on where they limit editing to 5 minutes. So, you do the math.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Grandpa incessantly gives the response that he thinks that serious posts are "Funny".

I sometimes wonder whether or not he is normally high on marijuana or some other drug.

 

[Magenta]

I am finished when I hit post.....BECAUSE they have no edit, I don't really care. I have things to do like my pets having to go outside to do their business etc. etc.

The only site I have ever been on where they limit editing to 5 minutes. So, you do the math.

You have a five minute window to edit your post after sending, and all the time you need to make changes before you actually post. Are you against proof reading before you send it? I have offered solutions. We all have other things to do, for the most part. It is hardly a valid excuse.

 

[Rondonmon]

I would agree with much of what you are saying here; nevertheless I would still contend that in Christ, Jews and Gentiles are in the same body (and therefore one).

Yes, in Christ we are alone, but not our CALLING. See my point? The Jews will not repent until THE END (70th week) which Go designed just to get them to repent. (some Jews repent before, but the Jewish peoples will not repent as a Nation until the 70th week. Hence we get the parables by God/Jesus via the Three Harvests. The Wheat (Israel) must be crushed because it can be sifted. Barley can be sifted without being crushed.

There was a machine called the TRIBULUM (Greek word) that crushed the Wheat where it could be sifted, that is where we get our English word Tribulation from. Barley (Gentile Church with a few Messianic Jews) doesn't need to be Crushed. The Grapes are the Wicked. This is why I all Rev. 14 The Harvest Chapter, we are shown the Wheat Harvest and te Grape Harvest (by the way, some Wheat are Gentiles who also have to be CRUSHED in order to repent) a seen in Revelation 14:17-20. So, what about the Barley? We see them (Gentile Church) in a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture in verse 14 where Jesus calls us to Heaven by thrusting in the Sickle.

You see, it is as you say, the same for the Jews and Gentiles, except that almost all of the Jews come unto Christ Jesus (as a Nation) AFTER the 70th-week starts, whereas the Church will e Raptured by that time and a few Gentiles will likewise also come unto Christ at this time, but the Gentiles will not be protected like the Jews in the Petra and Bozrah area will be.

So, yes, w are all the SAME but God's TIMING for each is different. Each Jew can come unto Christ just like any Gentile by FAITH at anytime, but as a Nation, Israel has been blinded until te Time f the Gentiles has been fulfilled or until te Rapture, THEN and only then will Gid deal with Israel (He sends Elijah and IMHO, Moses to get them to repent).

 

[Rondonmon]

Timothy was an example of someone that was both Jew and Gentile.

Those in Christ are in Christ without distinction. There is no higher standing for Jews or Gentiles. Old traditions are carried forward to honour father and mother in many cases and that is acceptable. I agree with your point that by its nature scripture intended Christianity to be multicultural or open to Christian multiculturalism. A Greek may carry forward their traditions, a Jew may carry forward their traditions, a barbarian may carry forward their traditions, but not at the expense of the conditions of the covenant of Christ. And when Christians marry fellow Christians from different traditions we can find interesting fusions of traditions. After enough intermixing we eventually see evaporation of distinctions. Jewish identity was important to the recipe of the modern Christian, Greek identity was important to the recipe of the modern Christian, barbarian identity was important to the recipe of the modern Christian. Christianity is a representation of many cultures all one in Christ.

My overall point is that some people use this chapter to try and say the church has taken the Plsce of the Jews and we are now ALL ONE, but that is not what this chapter says, this chapter is only speaking about how one comes unto God. No one can come to God via THE LAW, all men must come unto God by FAITH ALONE.

There are still men and women, and there are still Jews and Gentiles.

 

[walknlight]

1) Positional Sanctification

2) Progressive Sanctification

3) Ultimate Sanctification

Level #1 is our position in Christ at salvation, we are sanctified by faith as sons of the Living God.

Level #2 is our on going sanctification by the Holy Spirit to bring us up to the Level of our position in Christ.

Level #3 is our final sanctification at the resurrection, the mortal puts on the immortal and we become perfect.

 

[Charlie24]

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That is a great chart! Of course it explains it better than I did. That's exactly the way I see it.

Well done!!!