Gods Standard of Righteousness

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Charlie24

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listenyoumustAll said:
The law is just a shadow of the perfect righteousness of God my friend . Jesus is the standard .
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Because man could not and can not obtain that righteousness in the Law is the reason Christ came!

Man became separated from God through Adam's sin. Man had no way of paying for that sin in his fallen state.

Man needed a Saviour, a Deliverer to come back into relationship with God.

Before faith in Christ, man is a Law-breaker, separated from God.

After faith in Christ, man is a perfect Law-keeper by the merits of faith in Christ.
 
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You have spoken well . that's true . Adam fell and man had a debt to pay and in Jesus the believer is saved ... But remember Adam was a living soul first before falling ..that's perfect work of God . thats Jesus . he was before the law . God righteousness standard had been before man . . Lucifer erred by seeks self righteousness and he fell first .. He didn't meet Gods standard of righteousness. The law is just a fragment of Gods standard of righteousness
 
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The Law of Sin and Death is not the Ten Commandments, Grandpa!

It is not being able to keep the Ten Commandments! That is what condemns man to death!?
The actual Law is righteous and perfect.

Christ became the Second Adam to undo what the first Adam had done, separated us from God by sin.

We can not achieve the righteousness of the Law in our fallen state.

What Christ did for us, and by faith in Him, that righteousness demanded by God is freely given to us.
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the letter kills, the Sprit gives like.

the ministry of death written on stones.

letter of what?

what is written on tablets of stone?
 
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listenyoumustAll said:
You have spoken well . that's true . Adam fell and man had a debt to pay and in Jesus the believer is saved ... But remember Adam was a living soul first before falling ..that's perfect work of God . thats Jesus . he was before the law . God righteousness standard had been before man . . Lucifer erred by seeks self righteousness and he fell first .. He didn't meet Gods standard of righteousness. The law is just a fragment of Gods standard of righteousness
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I'm sorry we disagree, my friend! The Moral Law/Ten Commandments is STILL God's standard of righteousness that can only be met by faith in the One who did fulfill the Law, Jesus Christ!
 
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Charlie24

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gb9 said:
the letter kills, the Sprit gives like.

the ministry of death written on stones.

letter of what?

what is written on tablets of stone?
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My friend, the Law is perfect and righteous, man just can't keep it on his own to satisfy the demands of God.

It took Jesus to come and do that for us, that by faith in Him, we become back in relationship with the Father we sinned against!
 
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Charlie24 said:
My friend, the Law is perfect and righteous, man just can't keep it on his own to satisfy the demands of God.

It took Jesus to come and do that for us, that by faith in Him, we become back in relationship with the Father we sinned against!
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the Law of Moses was for Israel only.

gentiles were and not under the Law and have no obligation to keep the Jewish Sabbath.


facts. plain and simple.
 
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Charlie24

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gb9 said:
the Law of Moses was for Israel only.

gentiles were and not under the Law and have no obligation to keep the Jewish Sabbath.


facts. plain and simple.
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The Moral Law of God is not confined to Israel. We are speaking of the Ten Commandments here.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
The Moral Law of God is not confined to Israel. We are speaking of the Ten Commandments here.
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As far as the Sabbath, it is not a moral Law as the nine. It represents the rest found in Christ who has done the work for us.
 
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HI!
gb9 said:
the Law of Moses was for Israel only.
gentiles were and not under the Law and have no obligation to keep the Jewish Sabbath.
facts. plain and simple.
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Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
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Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

But now:
Matt 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

the Moral law stands and we cant keep it, in and of ourselves,

God Bless!
 
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walknlight said:
HI!


Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
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Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

But now:
Matt 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

the Moral law stands and we cant keep it, in and of ourselves,

God Bless!
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Correct! It was a sin to steal 4000 years ago when the Law was given and it's still a sin today!

The Moral Law still stands!
 
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Correct! It was a sin to steal 4000 years ago when the Law was given and it's still a sin today!

The Moral Law still stands!
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To hopefully end the confusion, The Moral Law is kept by faith in Christ in God's sight. Even though we are saved, we still can't keep the Moral Law perfectly.

This is where Grace through faith in Christ steps in, we are granted undeserving righteousness from the grace of God by that faith.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Good Morning!

"created in Christ Jesus for good works...."

Have a few questions, please..

How are these works performed?
Does one always know when a "good work" in Christ is being performed?
Does one keep tally?

God Bless....
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The pharisee seemed to. And so do the religious people in the church.

As for how do we know they are good works. Why are we doing something. This is the sign. If we are doing it out of love and in serving God and others. It is a work of righteousness.

If we are doing it not for these reasons. It is done in sin.
 
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Charlie24 said:
The Law of Sin and Death is not the Ten Commandments, Grandpa!

It is not being able to keep the Ten Commandments! That is what condemns man to death!

The actual Law is righteous and perfect.

Christ became the Second Adam to undo what the first Adam had done, separated us from God by sin.

We can not achieve the righteousness of the Law in our fallen state.

What Christ did for us, and by faith in Him, that righteousness demanded by God is freely given to us.
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No, It is the law of sin and death

because anyone who does not keep them is cursed to death. And what law does god use to pass judgment, The ten commandments written in stone.

As paul said. The command killed him.
 
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listenyoumustAll said:
You have spoken well . that's true . Adam fell and man had a debt to pay and in Jesus the believer is saved ... But remember Adam was a living soul first before falling ..that's perfect work of God . thats Jesus . he was before the law . God righteousness standard had been before man . . Lucifer erred by seeks self righteousness and he fell first .. He didn't meet Gods standard of righteousness. The law is just a fragment of Gods standard of righteousness
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Amen, The law is not the standard. It is just the proof that we are sinners. So our sin is exposed as we stand before God.

But it does not even come close to giving us a comprehensive list of all sins which are possible
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, It is the law of sin and death

because anyone who does not keep them is cursed to death. And what law does god use to pass judgment, The ten commandments written in stone.

As paul said. The command killed him.
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I thought I was on ignore! Maybe you were referring to someone else but I could have sworn it was me + the other guy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Charlie24 said:
I'm sorry we disagree, my friend! The Moral Law/Ten Commandments is STILL God's standard of righteousness that can only be met by faith in the One who did fulfill the Law, Jesus Christ!
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No, it is not the standard.

Gods standard is so far deeper than this

If you claim this is the standard You will miss the picture of who and what God is. and how desperately sinful you are. Paul learned this after that fateful day. As he learned the law was just a guide to lead him to Christ. Not the standard.
 
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Charlie24 said:
My friend, the Law is perfect and righteous, man just can't keep it on his own to satisfy the demands of God.

It took Jesus to come and do that for us, that by faith in Him, we become back in relationship with the Father we sinned against!
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Yes

But the law is still the minister of death

When a criminal comes before a judge. the law he broke is brought forth. It is the law which condemns the man if he is guilty. without the law. The man can not be charged with a crime because there is no crime to be charged with.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, it is not the standard.

Gods standard is so far deeper than this

If you claim this is the standard You will miss the picture of who and what God is. and how desperately sinful you are. Paul learned this after that fateful day. As he learned the law was just a guide to lead him to Christ. Not the standard.
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If man could keep the Law, there would have been no need for Christ to come.

Man could be righteous in of himself.
 
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Charlie24 said:
The Moral Law of God is not confined to Israel. We are speaking of the Ten Commandments here.
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they were given to Moses and Israel. Not to the gentiles.

God did not tell moses to take these commands to all the world and make sure they follow them
He told Israel this.


While breaking them is still sin. They were given to Israel
 
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Charlie24 said:
As far as the Sabbath, it is not a moral Law as the nine. It represents the rest found in Christ who has done the work for us.
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we agree.
 
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