What is Hebrews 10:26 about? Can wilful sin be forgiven?

[eternally-gratefull]

God gives eternal life to those who continue to believe and follow Jesus. i have been in that place of not wanting to live so i do understand this feeling. but you know that He led you back. you have listened to His discipline and that is a great thing

No this is not true
he said in John 3 one who believes will
Never die and has eternal life

He said in john 4 he gives them rivers if living water flowing to eternal
Life. They will Never thirst again

He says in John 6 they will
Never hunger or thirst never die they will live forever and be risen in the last day

John says in his epistle we can know we have eternal life and it is this Hope if eternal life which enables us to continue to believe

Eternal life is a gift given to those who truly repent and come to faith. It’s nit something that can be lost and it’s nit conditional Life

Jesus did nit say they may live forever and may not die. He said they will

my faith and my hope is on those words. Otherwise I have no hope. And I never would have retuned. I would still be in the world today

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i agree with all you say but i just disagree that this means we are always saved. David chose to repent and God had mercy on Him. i backslid just one time and not habitually earlier this week for the first time in 5 months. i was devastated and God allowed me to feel sorrow and misery, i was weeping all day. however after that through fellowship He gave me hope that in His salvation it is possible for me to have mercy if i return to Him, which i did! and i thank Him that i did.
some people dont class david as saved before he sinned this way. not sure why - correct me anyone if i'm wrong but i think he was considered a righteous man? however, if he continued this way in sin, surely there would be no mercy

1 god knew David would repent (he knew David’s heart)
2 a true believer would always repent. Maybe not right away but when it comes to it God is trustworthy and we all know it

David was saved by faith when Gid said David was a man after his heart he was saved then it was not based on David’s future repentance of these evil sins. It was based on David’s faith in God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How is it that they were never saved when Heb. 10:26 plainly says, "after that we have received the knowledge of the truth."

Come on now, e-g, you know what that means!

Received knowledge
it does nit say they received the results of acting on that knowledge
just because someone received the knowledge of how to do something does
Not Mean they acted On it
Last I saw no one has ever been saved because they received the gospel
come on? Please stop with your remarks they make you look bad and are not helpful in our conversation
your wanting me to buy that a person who received understanding of the gospel is saved with no
Mention they never acted in it then mock Me

I mean come on (pun intended you get what you give out)

 

[Charlie24]

Received knowledge
it does nit say they received the results of acting on that knowledge
just because someone received the knowledge of how to do something does
Not Mean they acted On it
Last I saw no one has ever been saved because they received the gospel
come on? Please stop with your remarks they make you look bad and are not helpful in our conversation
your wanting me to buy that a person who received understanding of the gospel is saved with no
Mention they never acted in it then mock Me

I mean come on (pun intended you get what you give out)

How many times in the book of Acts does it say, "and they received their words."

That means they believed what they said and were born-again!

When you receive something, e-g, you take possession of it.

I have been in this argument untold times through the years and not a single osas believer has admitted they were saved in Heb. 10:26.

It's ridiculous!

 

[Runningman]

i don't think it is just one wilful sin. if someone gets to the point where they harden their heart and fall away or deny the sacrifice of Jesus, then i believe that there is not forgiveness for this. if any is willing to repent, then they haven't hardended their heart completely and they of course can come back if they truly repent. hebrews 3 says the Holy Spirit says to not harden your hearts

One sin is an offense punishable by death to God. What makes you think sinning "too much" or "just a little bit" makes a difference?

We access the grace of God through faith in Christ (Romans 5:2) and we are saved from the wrath of God through Christ (Romans 5:9).

When God said "I will remember their sins no more" What do you think He meant? This new covenant is Christ.

Hebrews 10:15-17
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

 

[Ogom]

from: # 55 / @Charlie24


every time we repent there is hope it seems. even in the midsts of not greatest walking in the Way we can see our error and start to want to repent. the Bible tells us:


Psalm 26:12
My foot standeth in an even place: in the congregations will I bless the LORD.

Psalm 1:1-3
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners…



//1 day is with the Lord as a Thousand years... and a thousand years as 1 day// b.n.i.o.t.o.t.

 

[iTheophilus]

i agree that this must be talking about believers. personally, i do not think those who backslide or wilfully sin just one time are reprobate or cannot be redeemed, but i believe this is dangerous and if not dealt with and truly repented of, it will lead to loss of salvation and they will become apostate. i think there is certainly a danger to drifting away and backsliding, but this certainly isn't the point that someone can't be forgiven, it is the denying and complete falling away/apostasy that comes after that will not be forgiven

Apostasy is a particular sin. It is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by a Christian. Read my post again.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

yes amen i agree. we do have to abstain from wilful sin. i believe that if we do sin wilfully, we may recover but it is a dangerous place to be in, particularly if it ends up being long-term backsliding. i believe this can lead to apostasy

amen repentance and remission of sins

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How many times in the book of Acts does it say, "and they received their words."

That means they believed what they said and were born-again!

When you receive something, e-g, you take possession of it.

I have been in this argument untold times through the years and not a single osas believer has admitted they were saved in Heb. 10:26.

Hebrews 10
Is about false teachers. They received the knowledge of truth. and they commuted the willful sin
again the said we are not of them who do this
the author himself said they are not if us.

It's ridiculous!

fir someone who says they are here to make friends and listen you sure have an attitude with people who do
Agree with you
it’s ridiculous to say these false teachers who returned to law were saved again I will use your own words against you
you want to talk let’s talk. It your arrogant remarks will not win you any friendships

 

[NotmebutHim]

I might be splitting hairs here, but I think the words "willful" and "willfully" can be interpreted two different (but related) ways. And they are used both ways in Scripture.

1. Sins (at least outwardly, but maybe inwardly also) are acts of the will.
2. Some sins are committed due to stubbornness and/or hardened rebellion.

I tend to think that the Hebrews 10 passage speaks more toward the second usage or definition.

To use Pharaoh and Moses as examples, Moses definitely sinned many times, yet God didn't consider him to be in persistent rebellion against Him. However, Pharaoh WAS in rebellion against God, hence the 10 plagues on Egypt.

$0.02

 

[CS1]

The question is the question above in the title. Or is it about apostasy?

all sin can be forgiven when you repent from sin. No sin is forgiven until you do that. God is not mocked nor is made a fool of. IF you are not truly repented then you have not been forgiven. HE fully knows the thought and intent of each person's heart. Play time is over.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

That is true that it is a dangerous place to be in every time we sin for we are not led of the Spirit at the time we sin for if we were led of the Spirit we would not sin and every time we sin could lead to more sin and we could backslide. Every time we sin we forfeit repentance until we repent and get rid of the sin and do not want it anymore.

Precious friend there is A LARGE Difference between "destruction of the SINFUL
flesh," And "salvation of the SINLESS spirit" (BOTH 1 Co 5:5 And 1 Co 3:14-15),
under GRACE!

Note: Hebrews is "written TO the JEWS" Not The Body Of CHRIST, Today, Under
GRACE!

...some people dont class david as saved before he sinned this way. not sure why - correct me anyone if i'm wrong but i think he was considered a righteous man? however, if he continued this way in sin, surely there would be no mercy

Notice David did NOT ask God to "restore God's {ETERNAL} salvation" but because he sinned/repented, And begged God:

Psa_51:12 Restore unto me the joy of Thy salvation; and uphold me with Thy Free Spirit.

When we, in The {ETERNALLY Saved} Body Of Christ, are "OUT of fellowship with
Christ," we "lose that SAME joy," but Cannot "lose" God's ETERNAL Relationship!:
God's Simple Will!

i do not believe in once saved always saved, ... i believe if this man didn't come to repentance, he may have lost salvation and become apostate

Precious friend, then WHY do you believe this?:

amen His one sacrifice was enough

Either CHRIST's FULL Sacrifice Is ALL-Sufficient PAYMENT For our sin, or it isn't!

Thus God's ETERNAL Salvation Is not "temporary" or ALL Of These Plain
And Clear Scriptures are false!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's FREE Gift of {temporary?} ETERNAL Life!

Please Be Richly Encouraged In CHRIST, And HIS Precious Word Of Truth!!

 

[SomeDisciple]

I think in context that Heb. 10:26 is about turning away from faith in Jesus when you read the whole chapter. When he says "if we sin willfully" he's not talking about sin in general, he's talking about sin with regard to the subject of the discussion at hand. (faith in Jesus).
Paul spends half of chapter ten then all of chapter eleven talking about faith in Jesus.
Peter is obviously saved, and he makes some mistakes after receiving the Holy Ghost- but he doesn't go denying Jesus again.

 

[ameizhere]

1 god knew David would repent (he knew David’s heart)
2 a true believer would always repent. Maybe not right away but when it comes to it God is trustworthy and we all know it

David was saved by faith when Gid said David was a man after his heart he was saved then it was not based on David’s future repentance of these evil sins. It was based on David’s faith in God

we are saved through faith but true saving faith that lasts until the end produces fruit for repentance

 

[ameizhere]

One sin is an offense punishable by death to God. What makes you think sinning "too much" or "just a little bit" makes a difference?

We access the grace of God through faith in Christ (Romans 5:2) and we are saved from the wrath of God through Christ (Romans 5:9).

When God said "I will remember their sins no more" What do you think He meant? This new covenant is Christ.

Hebrews 10:15-17
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

i do not think it is a case of sinning too much or too little, but rather a point of whether you are still able to turn back or not. as 2 timothy 2:12-13 supports, God will never remove us, we are the ones to walk away when we are faithless. He always remains faithful. if someone abuses grace so much as they harden their heart completely and no longer want to return, then they simply will not return

 

[ameizhere]

Apostasy is a particular sin. It is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by a Christian. Read my post again.

i understand what you are saying, sorry i might have misread it. i agree that hebrews 10:26 can be warning against apostasy. certainly though i do still think it is misinterpreted, and wilful sin after salvation doesn't necessarily mean apostasy

 

[ameizhere]

I might be splitting hairs here, but I think the words "willful" and "willfully" can be interpreted two different (but related) ways. And they are used both ways in Scripture.

1. Sins (at least outwardly, but maybe inwardly also) are acts of the will.
2. Some sins are committed due to stubbornness and/or hardened rebellion.

I tend to think that the Hebrews 10 passage speaks more toward the second usage or definition.

To use Pharaoh and Moses as examples, Moses definitely sinned many times, yet God didn't consider him to be in persistent rebellion against Him. However, Pharaoh WAS in rebellion against God, hence the 10 plagues on Egypt.

$0.02

i think this is for sure a possibility. however, i think that if a true born-again christian does decide to rebel, and they find themselves entangled in rebellion, then they may start to become and end up hard hearted. what do you think?

 

[ameizhere]

all sin can be forgiven when you repent from sin. No sin is forgiven until you do that. God is not mocked nor is made a fool of. IF you are not truly repented then you have not been forgiven. HE fully knows the thought and intent of each person's heart. Play time is over.

all sin but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. amen. however arguably apostasy is this one unforgivable sin

 

[ameizhere]

all sin but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. amen. however arguably apostasy is the same as this one unforgivable sin

 

[ameizhere]

I think in context that Heb. 10:26 is about turning away from faith in Jesus when you read the whole chapter. When he says "if we sin willfully" he's not talking about sin in general, he's talking about sin with regard to the subject of the discussion at hand. (faith in Jesus).
Paul spends half of chapter ten then all of chapter eleven talking about faith in Jesus.
Peter is obviously saved, and he makes some mistakes after receiving the Holy Ghost- but he doesn't go denying Jesus again.

i think that this is possible, but i do think that unrepentant wilful sin leads to apostasy