Gods Standard of Righteousness

[justbyfaith]

All the world (including Gentiles) will be found guilty before God as the result of being judged by the law (Romans 3:19-20).

For those who seek to be justified for "being a good person" Moses' law is the standard.

It is written,

Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Mat 5:48, Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.

The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus delivers us from this law of sin and death.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is this: that if we walk according to the Spirit rather than the flesh, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

If the law of sin and death were the ten commandments, then we would be walking in sin and death if we simply love one another.

Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

All the world (including Gentiles) will be found guilty before God as the result of being judged by the law (Romans 3:19-20).

ahh I thought Christs word was going to judge everyone ?

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

by what word ?


“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭


On the other hand some who trust in Moses law will be accused by it

“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses was Israel’s judge , they were judged guilty because they broke the covenant he warned them about . Jesus then came the messiah and foretold jidge and savior of all the world .

I think you would benefit greatly from searching prophecy and looking for what God was always foretelling would come forth in Christ things like this

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that was written hundred of years after Moses law was in play but he’s saying “ listen to me because a law is going to proceed from me and I will ( in the future ) make my judgement as a light for the people .

there are two covenants bro , one was always bekng foretold in the ot and it came forth when Jesus came forth he is the lawgiver himself manifest and speaking clearly not through angels to
Moses and then later to the people but God speaking to man which is what Moses always promised that the messiah would come and speak Gods words of requirement

The ot is fullOf witnesses of the coming gospel like this

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again he’s saying I will in the future make an everlasting covenant with you based on the mercies of David ( long after Moses ) but can you see he’s promising something else later ? Something new and better ? That hearing and soul living happens here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses word can’t do that all
It can do is impute sin and demand punishment

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If we have these laws written on our hearts it means that we will not violate them, even in our hearts.

Oh ok

 

[justbyfaith]

ahh I thought Christs word was going to judge everyone ?

Christ is the God of the Old and New Testaments; and therefore Moses' law is His law (see also Matthew 5:17-20).

Rom 3:19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

Christ is the God of the Old and New Testaments; and therefore Moses' law is His law (see also Matthew 5:17-20).

Rom 3:19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh ok

Glad you agree!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Christ is the God of the Old and New Testaments; and therefore Moses' law is His law (see also Matthew 5:17-20).

Rom 3:19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

yep he’s the only God but the covenant your looking to is ordained of angels and given into Moses hand because they worshipped the calf he handed to n over to that covenant through angels and Moses

“Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:40-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats what your missing but I’ve shown that to you a few times that covenant is about imputing sin it can’t do anything else it’s born of sin

You should truly look into this it’s truly edifying to learn what this actually
Means

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you can study that concept it will
Open up a lot to you because you have very good scriptural knowledge , your just missing this understanding of what happened when they made the calf

 

[Dino246]

Christ is the God of the Old and New Testaments; and therefore Moses' law is His law (see also Matthew 5:17-20).

Rom 3:19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

And yet the Law of Christ is distinct from the Law of Moses.

 

[Charlie24]

The Law of God was first written on tables of stone in the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant His Law is written in the hearts of man.

But who was God talking about when He gave this to Jeremiah? He was speaking of Israel.

Of course the Gentiles are included, but this writing in the heart of man is speaking of Israel as a nation finally accepting Christ as their Messiah in the still future.

Israel broke the Law of God written on the tablet stones, but they will not break the Law of God written in their hearts when they come to the knowledge that they have crucified their Lord and Saviour.

This is why God said, they will never depart from me again.

 

[justbyfaith]

yep he’s the only God but the covenant your looking to is ordained of angels and given into Moses hand because they worshipped the calf he handed to n over to that covenant through angels and Moses

“Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:40-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats what your missing but I’ve shown that to you a few times that covenant is about imputing sin it can’t do anything else it’s born of sin

You should truly look into this it’s truly edifying to learn what this actually
Means

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you can study that concept it will
Open up a lot to you because you have very good scriptural knowledge , your just missing this understanding of what happened when they made the calf

I think that, if you are saying by this, that the Old Covenant wasn't sufficient to provide real righteousness, then I am in agreement with you.

However, I would say that under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16) so that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

In other words, the New Covenant is able to provide real righteousness, that is not obtained through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts, which is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

In other words, we are able to not be disobedient to the law through a venue other than attempting to keep the law.

That venue is through bearing the fruit of the Spirit. For in doing so, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom (Galatians 5:22-23).

And of course we receive the Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14).

So then, we are able to be obedient to the moral tenets of the law through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

And yet the Law of Christ is distinct from the Law of Moses.

The law of Christ (Galatians 6:1-2), to bear one another's burdens.

There is also this aspect of the law of Christ (Matthew 5:17-20)...obedience to the law of the Old Testament.

As well as Jesus' re-definition of that law in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7).

And of course, in 1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv), we are told that Paul was under the law to Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Law of God was first written on tables of stone in the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant His Law is written in the hearts of man.

But who was God talking about when He gave this to Jeremiah? He was speaking of Israel.

Of course the Gentiles are included, but this writing in the heart of man is speaking of Israel as a nation finally accepting Christ as their Messiah in the still future.

Israel broke the Law of God written on the tablet stones, but they will not break the Law of God written in their hearts when they come to the knowledge that they have crucified their Lord and Saviour.

This is why God said, they will never depart from me again.

Yes; the Gentiles are not excluded from the New Covenant that is spoken of in Hebrews 8:8-10.

Eph 3:6, That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[Charlie24]

The law of Christ (Galatians 6:1-2), to bear one another's burdens.

There is also this aspect of the law of Christ (Matthew 5:17-20)...obedience to the law of the Old Testament.

And of course, in 1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv), we are told that Paul was under the law to Christ.

Yes; the Gentiles are not excluded from the New Covenant that is spoken of in Hebrews 8:8-10.

Eph 3:6, That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

My point is that the Law of of God is still demanded by God but not by our own doing.

His Law is kept by faith in Jesus Christ and carried out in our lives by Christ living through us as we yield to the guiding of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think that, if you are saying by this, that the Old Covenant wasn't sufficient to provide real righteousness, then I am in agreement with you.

However, I would say that under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16) so that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

In other words, the New Covenant is able to provide real righteousness, that is not obtained through attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts, which is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

In other words, we are able to not be disobedient to the law through a venue other than attempting to keep the law.

That venue is through bearing the fruit of the Spirit. For in doing so, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom (Galatians 5:22-23).

And of course we receive the Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:14).

So then, we are able to be obedient to the moral tenets of the law through faith in Jesus Christ.

what do you think a covenant is ?

 

[justbyfaith]

what do you think a covenant is ?

An agreement between two parties.

While a testament must be ratified by the death of the testator.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At least now you are admitting that God can do it even if we can't, by ourselves.

I never admitted he could not.

How else do you think we get saved?

1,ooo,ooo is Gods standard of righteousness. No one will be saved until they meet that standard.

Its called the cross.
But thanks, you just proved once again you have utterly no idea what I believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think that I want to bring the following thread to the attention of this one.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-doctrine-of-entire-sanctification.202171/

Why?

That was another thread that denied the truth.

Entire sanctification is perfection. We will not reach that until we are ressurected.

Don;t bring another crap thread of lies and false truths into this one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope; the law of sin and death is what is spoken of in the immediate context of Romans 8:2 (Romans 7:14-25).

Nope

the law of sin and death is the ten commands. Called the minister of death written on stone

God wrote them on stone. Then moses destroyed them so they were written again.

Cursed is the one who does not obey every word.

that 1,000,000 foot hill is high. Don’t try to make it only 50 feet.

 

[justbyfaith]

I never admitted he could not.

How else do you think we get saved?

1,ooo,ooo is Gods standard of righteousness. No one will be saved until they meet that standard.

Its called the cross.
But thanks, you just proved once again you have utterly no idea what I believe.

So, do you think that this righteousness is only imputed?

Or, is it also imparted (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6, Matthew 5:20).