A Double Standard in Christianity?
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woman wasn’t subject to her husband when that happened though women being subject to thier husband is part of the curse of sin
“Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
Genesis 5:2 KJV
a man and his wife become one in Gods eyes
Before sin
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
Genesis 2:24-25 KJV
There is no Adam ruling over Eve yet that only came in here
“And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
Genesis 3:12, 16 KJV
it’s a direct result of sin. Adam wasn’t meant to “ cover “ Eve they were both made in Gods image before sin and to Adam came the curse of death
“And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, ( just as she heartened to the serpents voice ) and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying,
Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
Genesis 3:17-19 KJV
because eves subjection is a result of sin , when sin is remitted this happens taking us back to before sin
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
that goes for women and men if they are baptized we have to let go of the flesh and curse of sin and it’s results like women being subject to men that’s part of the curse in Christ however women and men have died to the law already for thier sins in the body of Christ , so just as the rest of the curse is removed in baptism so is the subjugation of women to men also being born of sin
Paul seems to blame Eve but clearly God puts everything on Adam because he was first created and Adam and Eve were one at the time being called Adam
only after transgression was Eve named seperately and made subject to him
“Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
Genesis 5:2 KJV
when we get baptized into Christ it’s the beginning of our new creation in his name because going under the water by faith is our death for sin , being raised up from the burial under water is our new birth to God as a new creature not under the prior condemnation or curse make or female this is true for single , married , male , female ect
“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
Isaiah 42:9 KJV
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;”
2 Corinthians 5:16-18
The gospel is about sin being remitted and with it sins curse on mankind. I think if our is read carefully you can see his latter epistles evolved as he grew in Christ like we all do .
he was a former Pharisee and they were very Old Testament regarding everything including women I personally feel as is he had a bit of left over prejudice like Peter did also against Gentiles . And in his latter epistles he came into a better understanding
Which would be in his latter epistles that male and female have no distinction in Christ we’re not in the flesh anymore but born of the spirit . So we shouldn’t live under the same curses of the flesh. Christ took them away.
This of course being applied biblically not literally. Of course men and women have different roles and the value of a women’s roles in a marriage and men’s roles in a marriage of course order of some kind is necassary
I think that when people hear the phrase “ a woman must obey her husband “ or “ the man is the head of the women “ because we don’t have a solid foundation in scriptire , we take those types of things seperately from what’s being communicated
I think once we get into the spirit things of the flesh and old covenant become irrelevant because they are about the flesh
This is true according to standing before God but not according to function on the earth. Saying there is no male or female does not mean the male occasionally gives birth during conception, for example. There is no distinction when it comes to Christ but there is a distinction when it comes to the flesh, which is passing away.
"Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life."
The reality of being in Christ, while true, has limits because of the our flesh. Our eternal house is in heaven, our eternal body. Until then our flesh groans under our burdens. e.g. Even though the pain of child-bearing was given because of sin, the pain is not abated when we are in Christ. On earth, we have marriage. In heaven, there is no marriage. But marriage is not diminished because it is not eternal. There are clear guidelines for men and women while on the earth and it puts on display Christ's love of the church. Clothes, for example, were created because of sin but going without clothes is not God's plan.
"Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life."
The reality of being in Christ, while true, has limits because of the our flesh. Our eternal house is in heaven, our eternal body. Until then our flesh groans under our burdens. e.g. Even though the pain of child-bearing was given because of sin, the pain is not abated when we are in Christ. On earth, we have marriage. In heaven, there is no marriage. But marriage is not diminished because it is not eternal. There are clear guidelines for men and women while on the earth and it puts on display Christ's love of the church. Clothes, for example, were created because of sin but going without clothes is not God's plan.
I should also add that the heavens and the earth are designed to display the truth of God. Any order in the earth should reflect what is true about the Living God. God showed us the initial picture of how a woman was once resident in a man but was taken out of the man and made to be a separate entity. If the woman may be taken out of the man, then the woman may be included in the man. In the first case it is a physical impossibility to put the bride into a physical man but that was never the intention. The intention was to use the natural to show us how the spiritual works. So everything in creation is like that. When God created a man, God was not just creating a male, He was creating some figure in creation to represent certain particular things about God. When God was creating a woman, God was creating a being who in creation would represent certain particular things about God. But when each one stood up in the thing God made him or her to represent, they were transformed from being merely physical beings, into representations of spiritual truths. So, He made one one way and He made one another way to put on display truths of His nature and His culture, the Kingdom.
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yeah...heard this one before but I do not agree with it. sounds pretty iffy
all sexes are resident in a man if you want to look at it that way, since the man determines the sex of the baby conceived
(sorry...not picking on you...even though with 2 threads wherein we are not quite agreeing, it might seem so)
all sexes are resident in a man if you want to look at it that way, since the man determines the sex of the baby conceived
(sorry...not picking on you...even though with 2 threads wherein we are not quite agreeing, it might seem so)
Not all men are elders in any church. Even where all men may meet the qualifications, there is no need for all to be elders.
You're grasping at straws. There simply is no "covering" of unmarried adult Christian females described in Scripture. They are full members of the body, with full privilege of participation.
You're grasping at straws. There simply is no "covering" of unmarried adult Christian females described in Scripture. They are full members of the body, with full privilege of participation.
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