The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???
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To be clear to the readers (regarding my previous post): there is only ONE "RAPTURE"... but more than one "harvest"... they are NOT EQUATED!
... in case the readers assumed so, from my post.
[the "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement), for example... NOT SO regarding the EARLIER harvest which is harvested, instead, by means of "TOSSING UP INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff"; We/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are not the "WHEAT"]
... in case the readers assumed so, from my post.
[the "WHEAT" harvest is harvested by means of a "tribulum" (harvesting implement), for example... NOT SO regarding the EARLIER harvest
which is harvested, instead, by means of "TOSSING UP INTO THE AIR, and BLOWING away the chaff"; We/"the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" are not the "WHEAT"]
Where the barley is not trodden broken up prior to the winnowing?
I thought both were trodden first.
I really am not sure
Show me .
How may days , hours or minutes are those supposed resurrected in rev 20. ....after satan defeated?
Since they are being framed here erroneously as the 1st resurrection, it is necessary that they defend it or cease error.
All you have done is dodge that challenge.
Then show me 1 thes 4, which is the first resurrection.
Show me both in setting.
How may days , hours or minutes are those supposed resurrected in rev 20. ....after satan defeated?
Since they are being framed here erroneously as the 1st resurrection, it is necessary that they defend it or cease error.
All you have done is dodge that challenge.
Then show me 1 thes 4, which is the first resurrection.
Show me both in setting.
FreeGrace2 said:
Please show the verse that has Jesus taking His bride to heaven.
You mean it takes 15 "or so" verses to show Jesus taking His bride to heaven??? When it could be done in 1 sentence?
your answer is just a vague smokescreen.
yeah, dreams are that way, sometimes.
Just pay attention to the wording. It's all preparatory for the wedding. Since Rev 19 also shows the army accompanying Jesus to earth, the text about the wedding could not just be happening. Doesn't pretrib theory have the wedding immediately after the raptured saints are taken to heaven?
Said the guy who won't look honestly at Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1,3 and Rev 20:5.
Please show the verse that has Jesus taking His bride to heaven.
You mean it takes 15 "or so" verses to show Jesus taking His bride to heaven??? When it could be done in 1 sentence?
your answer is just a vague smokescreen.
yeah, dreams are that way, sometimes.
Just pay attention to the wording. It's all preparatory for the wedding. Since Rev 19 also shows the army accompanying Jesus to earth, the text about the wedding could not just be happening. Doesn't pretrib theory have the wedding immediately after the raptured saints are taken to heaven?
Said the guy who won't look honestly at Acts 24:15, 1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1,3 and Rev 20:5.
FreeGrace2 said:
The Bible is so clear about resurrections; 1 for saved and 1 for the unsaved. And since 1 for the saved occurs before the 1 for the unsaved, it is properly called the FIRST resurrection.
The 'dead in Christ' are the SAME as "those who belong to Him" in 1 Cor 15:23.
" But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."
What do you think Paul was referring to here? What the verse say is after Christ's "firstfruits" resurrection, THEN, WHEN He comes, EVERYONE else. All the saved, iow.
i'm still waiting for your explanation of where you get this "day after" nonsense. I've never said anything about the next day.
In Rev 20:5 we DO see a resurrection of tribulation martyrs. They "live and reign with Christ". This obviously shows that at Christ's return they are resurrected, called the FIRST resurrection, which aligns with Acts 24:15 and 1 Cor 15:23.
The Bible is so clear about resurrections; 1 for saved and 1 for the unsaved. And since 1 for the saved occurs before the 1 for the unsaved, it is properly called the FIRST resurrection.
The 'dead in Christ' are the SAME as "those who belong to Him" in 1 Cor 15:23.
" But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."
What do you think Paul was referring to here? What the verse say is after Christ's "firstfruits" resurrection, THEN, WHEN He comes, EVERYONE else. All the saved, iow.
i'm still waiting for your explanation of where you get this "day after" nonsense. I've never said anything about the next day.
In Rev 20:5 we DO see a resurrection of tribulation martyrs. They "live and reign with Christ". This obviously shows that at Christ's return they are resurrected, called the FIRST resurrection, which aligns with Acts 24:15 and 1 Cor 15:23.
Are you referring to people in Jesus' day after the crucifixion? Well then, please show the clear evidence that they received resurrection bodies and were taken to heaven. Because if they weren't taken to heaven, they would STILL BE HERE ON EARTH, since resurrection bodies cannot die.
What does any of this have to do with the single resurrection that the Bible notes?
My "notebook" is the Bible. You should read it.
What does any of this have to do with the single resurrection that the Bible notes?
My "notebook" is the Bible. You should read it.