The march of the meat eaters the nut eaters and the law givers

[de-emerald]

Firstly please let me say there is a difference between something that is a passion that you believe which becomes thunder mental to your belief and something that is passionate and thunder mental that becomes radical to your belief that people must do what you do, or it is the highway or there not perfect, and you are..I am not a radical extremist of any kind and understand completely why people may eat meat

But i really have been at war with religion in my heart and conscience all my life as probably many of you have been to, and those laws of Deuteronomy have played havoc in my heart mind and soul

The first one being

Deuteronomy 27:26

New International Version


26 “Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”

The second one being And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

5‘Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.’ And let all the people say, ‘Amen!
You must tell them that this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Cursed is the man who does not obey the words of this covenant,
Galatians 3:13
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us
Treasury of Scripture
5‘Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.’ And let all the people say, ‘Amen!

Have we been bribed by Satan into killing innocent animals too ?


Meaningless Offerings
10Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom; listen to the instruction of our God, you people of Gomorrah! 11“What good to Me is your multitude of sacrifices?” says the LORD. “I am full from the burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I take no delight in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. 12When you come to appear before Me, who has required this of you—this trampling of My courts?…

Some interesting facts, A homemade nut pizza base of none animal products.. nuts and soya milk 100 grams of nuts holds the same amount of calories of any 100 grams of meat approximately 500 to 600 calories... the fat that is in nuts is more unsaturated which is healthier for you when you get older, but the fat in meat is more saturated fat which unhealthier for you when you get older nuts are also very versatile and can make many diffrent dishes of food and be added to many foods. This is now my main reason for going vegan up to yesterday i was ovo vegetarian which is vegan for most part but including eggs from chickens... but this is me preaching my new holy vegan law lol but i feel it can argue against the law that food can defile you in the sense high saturated fat can kill you prematurely because if you carry on to eat saturated fat at the rate i was i could develop heart disease and as you know the word disease also is something that is defiling.

Now one could say i am now a nutty cannibal with an addiction to nuts lol, which i freely admit in my new thunder mental belief that i love to devour nuts by the handful especially because of hunger. but would meat eaters confess the same they are meat-eating cannibals too who like to devour meat and are quite thunder mental in their beliefs too lol.
Now it has to be said to be ovo vegetarian which the only animal food it allows is eggs, you have to have a well-planned diet and stick to it. So that the body gets the nutrition it needs from foods as ovo vegetarian diets also does not allow dairy products.. So like vegan diets or ovo veggie diets has to include a wide range of nuts seeds legumes oils vegetables and also generally are well-balanced on sugar and carbs to get the vital nutrients the body need... It is a very healthy diet for those who manage to give themselfs the nutrients the body needs, and generally cheaper than meat diets.. But there are some on these diets that have nutrition deficiencies because of inexperience and understanding of food. So even a diet of ovo veggie or vegan can kill you prematurely..

Ok lastly i would really love to learn every single law concerning why the rest of many meats was forbiden to eat.
i would like to go through every law with people here in deuteronomy 11 and try to work out why we should not eat those many many many different meats ? is it possible we have been duped by satan into eating meats and is it possible your nature becomes effected when you eat meat ? which could effect the fruits of the holy spirit. because my nature now seems awhole lot better. I was never to good in mood when i was dairy food and meat eater, i had poor health which would effect my mood and nature when eating those foods.. which i now feel was been defiling to my body. many people have all said the same too... and the number is really really high

 

[Dino246]

“Thunder mental”?

I suspect you mean “fundamental”.

Let me encourage you to do a lot more reading. Maybe start with a dictionary.

 

[Dino246]

As for eating meat, consider Genesis 9:2-3.

 

[justbyfaith]

1Ti 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2, Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3, Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4, For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5, For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6, If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

I think that as long as you are not imposing your vegan diet on anyone else, you do not fall into the category of what is spoken of in verse 1.

If you are believing that concerning yourself only, then the church is to receive you; but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:1, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2, For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3, Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[Magenta]

i love to devour nuts by the handful especially because of hunger.

I used to snack quite liberally on almonds, mostly organic... and then I discovered unpasteurized organic almonds! Who even knew that almonds were pasteurized? It seems that in 2007, the USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) with help from the Almond Board of California, passed a law requiring all almonds sold in commercial quantities to undergo pasteurization in order to prevent salmonella contamination. Still, the difference I discovered between regular organic almonds and those that were unpasteurized was quite remarkable, and the unpasteurized almonds were superior by far in taste, and even larger overall.

However, every once in a while I would come across a bitter almond mixed in with the others. Bitter almonds are a variety of regular, sweet almonds, and contain traces of prussic acid—also known as hydrocyanic acid—in its raw state. Hydrocyanic acid is a solution of hydrogen cyanide and water; the byproduct is an organic version of cyanide. The worst symptoms of eating bitter almonds can include your nervous system shutting down, breathing difficulties, and even death. As few as seven to 10 unprocessed bitter almonds can kill a child, and roughly a dozen to 70 nuts can kill a 150-pound adult. The exact number depends on the size of the nuts. Cooking does neutralize this. source

Eating a bitter almond is not a pleasant experience, because who eats one nut at a time?
So it is not like you can just spit it out without spitting out a mouthful of good almonds
also. As bothersome as eating the rare bitter almond was, I persisted for a while, until,
finally, I never wanted to eat another bitter almond in my life. I stopped eating almonds
completely as a snack, though will still use them in baking

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As to the laws regarding meats that the Israeli nation was allowed to eat?

Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 contain God's commandment to Israel concerning clean and unclean meats.

“You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.”

Animals that have one or another attribute, but not both at the same time, e.g., the camel,
coney, rabbit, and pig. Of them is said, “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses.”

Certain kinds of fowl were forbidden, including birds of prey, certain water birds, and other birds. Poultry,
pigeon and doves, and wild birds not listed were permitted. Only the eggs of clean fowl could be eaten.

Fish could be eaten if it had fins and scales. This excluded all shellfish and fish that had fins but no scales.

Certain insects were acceptable as food, including the locust, katydid, cricket,
and grasshopper. “All other flying insects that have four feet shall be an
abomination to you.” Creeping things that crawl upon the earth are considered
unclean, including worms, caterpillars, snakes, snails, lizards, chameleon, and moles.

According to Mosaic law, if any of the unclean creeping things died and fell into a clay water pot,
the water was to be considered unclean, and a source of contamination. The clay pot was to be
broken and if the carcass of a creeping thing touched the oven, it was to be broken as well.

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Peter reveals what the vision from Acts 10:9-16 meant. To those assembled in Cornelius' house, he says, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean" (verse 28). The vision of unclean animals was merely an illustration God used to help Peter understand that salvation was open to those previously held at arm's length (Acts 11:18). This is further evidenced by the Holy Spirit being poured out visibly on these Gentiles (Acts 10:44-47). Neither Peter nor Luke, the author of Acts, makes any further commentary regarding clean or unclean foods, as the vision had served a greater purpose. source

1 Tim 4:1-5 is also used as proof text to say all meat is now considered clean, but this passage when read in context is talking about the consumption of animals allowed to be eaten in that they are sanctified by God, and set apart for that purpose.

Paul admonishes Christians not to pass judgment on others for eating meat or for eating only vegetables.

The source given above goes into more detail concerning other proof texts
used to dispute whether or not all meats are now acceptable as food.

I am glad to hear you have found good health in your food choices

 

[de-emerald]

“Thunder mental”?

I suspect you mean “fundamental”.

Let me encourage you to do a lot more reading. Maybe start with a dictionary.

Lol sorry that one must have been the nazi in me

 

[de-emerald]

As for eating meat, consider Genesis 9:2-3.

I take it you mean this scripture

2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

genesis 9:2-3 came first surely deuteronomy 14 cancels genesis 9:2-3 out. because deuteronomy came afterwards.
Love and Obey the Lord
Deateronomy 11 Love the Lord your God and keep his requirements, his decrees, his laws and his commands always.

Then baring deuteronomy 11 in mind of keep his laws allways then what about theses laws,

Clean and Unclean Food
14 You are the children of the Lord your God. Do not cut yourselves or shave the front of your heads for the dead, 2 for you are a people holy to the Lord your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the Lord has chosen you to be his treasured possession.

3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.

11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.

21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

 

[de-emerald]

I used to snack quite liberally on almonds, mostly organic... and then I discovered unpasteurized organic almonds! Who even knew that almonds were pasteurized? It seems that in 2007, the USDA (United States Department of Agriculture) with help from the Almond Board of California, passed a law requiring all almonds sold in commercial quantities to undergo pasteurization in order to prevent salmonella contamination. Still, the difference I discovered between regular organic almonds and those that were unpasteurized was quite remarkable, and the unpasteurized almonds were superior by far in taste, and even larger overall.

However, every once in a while I would come across a bitter almond mixed in with the others. Bitter almonds are a variety of regular, sweet almonds, and contain traces of prussic acid—also known as hydrocyanic acid—in its raw state. Hydrocyanic acid is a solution of hydrogen cyanide and water; the byproduct is an organic version of cyanide. The worst symptoms of eating bitter almonds can include your nervous system shutting down, breathing difficulties, and even death. As few as seven to 10 unprocessed bitter almonds can kill a child, and roughly a dozen to 70 nuts can kill a 150-pound adult. The exact number depends on the size of the nuts. Cooking does neutralize this. source

Eating a bitter almond is not a pleasant experience, because who eats one nut at a time?
So it is not like you can just spit it out without spitting out a mouthful of good almonds
also. As bothersome as eating the rare bitter almond was, I persisted for a while, until,
finally, I never wanted to eat another bitter almond in my life. I stopped eating almonds
completely as a snack, though will still use them in baking

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Lol quite the full explanation there, thank-you for marching onwards with the many laws regarding these foods. haha, so are you still a nut eater of any nuts after your bitter experience.

I dont trust almond nuts funny enough either i had some bad experiences too. a lot of people roast there nuts for a few mins For good measure but i dont as ive had no bad experiences with any others.. but i know people can be allergic to nuts or seeds.. those poor people... but then there is eggs or or whey protien so they dont nesacarily have to eat meat.

I just had cornflakes with mixed nuts chia seeds and dried fruit with soya milk for breakfast and got the calorie count to exactly 500 calories for that dish.. i went for hazelnuts Brazil buts cashew nuts and peanuts and walnuts and chia seeds,, a top secret for the marching on meat eater and their laws of eating bacon is a measly 50 grams (a small handful) of almost any nuts I use has the same amount of fatty acids and calories (250) as 48 grams of bacon 0r roughly 6 slices of bacon. the even better news is the fatty acids in nuts is mainly unsaturated and can be blended to anything and much cheaper if you are struck for cash .. I would like to say tho this is good healthy advice and now a part of my new fundamentalism and my laws of health only.

I can appreciate Pauls advice not to Judge meat eaters or vegetarians. But on what Grounds exactly is Paul making this comment.. as you know peoplecan die from eating nuts as you you know if you catch a brother eating meat that has still got the blood in it they could be landing themselves in trouble and serious risk of health.. Then there's also many more animal meat foods that have been banned over the years from different countries until the disease had passed. Whereas nuts, well they can be kept unrefrigerated for a long time and still have their Goodness. I call this healthy Judging and good conversation of the bible.


So we could say also Paul was using the phrase do not judge meat eaters or veggies on the bases it is what comes out of a man's mouth that defiles them... but I can tell you that many a time what came out of my mouth when i was not getting my addictive animal highly saturated fat was not very polite until i got my self under self-control..



It's one thing to say do not judge what food other people eat, but what about judging the food you eat personally.. The amount of people who die of type 2 diabetes is really high.. The amount of people who can't handle animal dairy products is high.. And you'll find most people who have problems with dairy products don't know they have and just go on eating it. Then you'll find people including me and any people get unwell from not cooking their meat all the way through, even getting food poisoning (which is very defiling when it comes out of the mouth in green bile.. You could say the same for veg to so that is why i steam all my veg.. Then you will find many people die of a heart attack early because they have eaten meat their whole life or high saturated fat from other none meat foods fats and oils, then there is the people who catch aids from eating meat. Then there is all the other diseases people catch from eating meat.. Then there is the way in which animals are cruelty treated and what ther fed as food being a problem too...

Then there is new evidence emerging that the chemical make over of many animas that we eat may be responsible for many many many diseases' mankind has caught.. That we should not be eating meat as a species we should be like the none meat-eating monkeys that exist. Kinda makes sense because the chemical makeover of many animals can produce a deadly venom that is harmful to you, even kill you

Then there is the fact people do not need to eat meat they can eat the eggs that animals produce and get by quite easily,, eggs could be sent to many starving countries.. So i am really not judging meat eaters the people but the food they are eating its self it really does need to be judged..

Take a look at this scripture

2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

The last part I have bolded,, you know from the previous scripture concerning what food we should eat were told you may eat all plant food and there was no mention of eating animal food.. Then we go to this later passage which ive bolded and were told we can eat all animal food.. Then we go to a later scripture which then says not all animal food you may eat in Deuteronomy 14 as you know, then we go to another scripture which says all food is clean on the bases of it is not what comes out of a man which is defiling which in my book is wrongly understood.. but then we go to ezekiel 4:9 which clearly makes reference to defiling food and none defiling food.

Ezekiel 4:9
9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side. 10 Weigh out twenty shekels[a] of food to eat each day and eat it at set times. 11 Also measure out a sixth of a hin[b] of water and drink it at set times. 12 Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.” 13 The Lord said, “In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.”

On a much nicer note you can buy cereal called ezekiel 4:9 but the question is should that be the cereal we should be eating ? or ceareal of simalar type which does not include meat ?.. like ezekiel 4:9 cereal.

 

[de-emerald]

I suppose the question is if we eat food that is not Ezekiel food do we drive ourselfs out of the land of isreal ?

 

[pottersclay]

I'm so glad your studying and reading this.

I would suggest you keep in mind that God is establishing a people out in the wilderness.
With next to primitive means of preparation of food and drink.
Certain animals carrying disease, from pestilence, and so on.
Also the feed and care had a effect on certain livestock.
There is much to glean from this looking at it this way.

 

[de-emerald]

I can bare it in potters yes but it seems the people out in the wilderness where not getting the nutrician they needed. and the people in the land of isreal as in eziekiel 4:9 where getting the advice needed on how to preapare food ?. so there is a deeper spiritual meaning here too.. But i wonder if when we read the bible are we hearing from two diffrent religous groups one being in the wilderness and there interpretation of God and one Group being in the land of Isreal and there interpratation of God and what food they should eat and how they should preapare it and has this been missed by peope ?,, that we may be hearing from people in the wilderness conserning what food we eat ? and not people from the land of isreal when we read about the people accounts in the bible?

Is it the case that the people in the wilderness where not getting sound advice from God as to what foods to eat or how to preapare there food,, as we know cain was banished into the wilderness

 

[pottersclay]

I can bare it in potters yes but it seems the people out in the wilderness where not getting the nutrician they needed. and the people in the land of isreal as in eziekiel 4:9 where getting the advice needed on how to preapare food ?. so there is a deeper spiritual meaning here too.. But i wonder if when we read the bible are we hearing from two diffrent religous groups one being in the wilderness and there interpretation of God and one Group being in the land of Isreal and there interpratation of God and what food they should eat and how they should preapare it and has this been missed by peope ?,, that we may be hearing from people in the wilderness conserning what food we eat ? and not people from the land of isreal when we read about the people accounts in the bible?

Is it the case that the people in the wilderness where not getting sound advice from God as to what foods to eat or how to preapare there food,, as we know cain was banished into the wilderness

Do you see any spiritual application in this comparison?

 

[de-emerald]

Do you see any spiritual application in this comparison?

do you

 

[Dino246]

I take it you mean this scripture

2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

Yes, that's the passage I meant.

genesis 9:2-3 came first surely deuteronomy 14 cancels genesis 9:2-3 out. because deuteronomy came afterwards.

No Scripture "cancels" any other Scripture. That's not how it works.

Rather, the Law was given specifically to Israel, but not to the gentiles. Gentiles were never commanded to abstain from eating pork, rabbits, or shellfish. God had His purposes in giving the Law, and "protecting the Israelites from harmful bacteria" was not stated in Scripture. That said, the meats they were permitted to eat are subject to bacteria just as nasty as those of pork or shellfish.

Peter was instructed to "get up, kill, and eat". Although the context is sharing the gospel with "unclean" gentiles, the direct revelation is also valid. Christians are not under the Law as given through Moses; we are not restricted from eating pork, rabbit, shellfish, or anything else mentioned in Deuteronomy. We may choose not to eat certain things, but we don't have a sound reason in Scripture to do so.

 

[justbyfaith]

I suppose the question is if we eat food that is not Ezekiel food do we drive ourselfs out of the land of isreal ?

That is prank bread.

 

[de-emerald]

Ezekiel 4:9
9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side.

The whole point to this scripture is you can live as a vegiatarin for 390 days with out any meat quite easily. and God was telling his beloved children to do so.

 

[Dino246]

Ezekiel 4:9
9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side.

The whole point to this scripture is you can live as a vegiatarin for 390 days with out any meat quite easily. and God was telling his beloved children to do so.

In a word, WRONG.

God was NOT "telling his beloved children to do so". He told ONE of His beloved children to do so, one time, for a specific reason. NOWHERE did He give that command to the rest of Israel.

 

[pottersclay]

do you

A few

 

[de-emerald]

In a word, WRONG.

God was NOT "telling his beloved children to do so". He told ONE of His beloved children to do so, one time, for a specific reason. NOWHERE did He give that command to the rest of Israel.

he gave that command to a child off Isreal to eat vegitarian food for a whole year.. in my book one child of Isreal represents all of Isreal...

 

[de-emerald]

A few

Good for you are you going to share