Tree of Live and Evil

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No its a fact if you live you die. Its a fact of life friend. If there is day there is night too. Its a fact of life. Life is dualistic.
Jesus is the serpent in the garden
Will there is one thing Jesus is the first begoton of the dead and he became sin for a moment.
 

Magenta

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#23
Thats the serpent in the garden. You will not die that was the lie of the serpent in the garden
That is the lie the serpent told, yes, but if we distinguish between the different types of death, you will see a difference. Passing out of this life, according to God, is not the death we are to fear, but the second death, reserved for those who refuse God. The second death is when both body and soul are destroyed. Jesus said we would never die. That does not mean we do not pass out of this life. This life is temporary only. However, if you believe what Jesus said, passing out of this life is not death if you are in Him, for He is eternally Self existent.

The serpent is not Jesus. I wonder where you got that idea.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#24
True followers of Jesus Christ will never die, and yes I believe it...

John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? ~KJV



In fact I will never see death...

John‬ ‭8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. ~KJV
amen translation at the moment of death we leave this earthly temple for a better one

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭

And those in their graves like Lazarus or the opening of the graves

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. …
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and those approaching death like this believer about to die

“And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:42-43‬ ‭

Jesus is incapable of lying or giving false hope he himself is the truth. And came to speak the truth to believers about death it’s only a parting from the broke down temple we dwelt in on earth to a better one prepared for us by the lord but we walk by this faith looking into what cannot be seen

that man known as the anonymous thief on the cross one thing is that he is without question with God and was that very day and Christians are given the same hope when facing death

Jesus holds the power of Life and death now and forever and offers it to us in his word he went into death to overcome it and become lord of both living and death by his resurrection in victory over death and he’ll having the power of eternal Life

“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s able to deliver the faithful he’s always been able

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5‬ ‭


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one day he’s going to translate believers after thier time on earth is done into
His kingdom if we persevere in faith and walk after his kingdom .
 
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#25
That is the lie the serpent told, yes, but if we distinguish between the different types of death, you will see a difference. Passing out of this life, according to God, is not the death we are to fear, but the second death, reserved for those who refuse God. The second death is when both body and soul are destroyed. Jesus said we would never die. That does not mean we do not pass out of this life. This life is temporary only. However, if you believe what Jesus said, passing out of this life is not death if you are in Him, for He is eternally Self existent.

The serpent is not Jesus. I wonder where you got that idea.
Because he is the serpent if you pay attention. They both want you to eat and want you to believe you will live forever.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#26
You are following the lie of the serpent in the garden it is appointed to all man to die once even jesus himself and you are not greater than he
Yep it’s appointed because of transgression of this commandment

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

death was appointed by thier transgression of Gods warning not to do it . and death is only the result of transgression never was Gods Will it’s the devils will and the curse of sin. It was satans Will to Introduce man to sin and death it was Gods Will that they believe the fruit was death and didn’t eat. But

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭

God didn’t will mans death , he warned them of it ahead of time so they could live and then knowing his word they transgressed ….. it’s what we still do saying “ now we have the cross so
It’s okay”

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,

his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Adam And Eve were presented a choice God said “if they ate the fruit they would surely die” , satan said “no you will not surely die “


They followed satans lie ( like your I guess accusing me of ? That sort of bounced off honestly lol ) and so death came to them and all mankind because he led them To transgress this one commandment saying “ whatever you do don’t eat this fruit it’s certain death “

Paul explains it better in Romans 6-7 death is the result of man breaking Gods word that said “ if you do this you will die “ that’s where death came to
Mankind from
it’s what the law also is made of same design “ don’t eat the fruit “

Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or “you will surely be put to death “

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10

but the gospel is about remitting sins our sins through repentance and faith in his blood , and accepting the truth of his eternal kingdom that offers us life eternal as the law says “ this is sin don’t do it or you will surely be cursed and put to death “

the gospel is saying “ this is righteousness , live this way and I will forgive all Your sins I died for and you will never die “

I don’t think I’m following the serpents lie 😀 but I do believe sin brought death and caused man to be expelled from
His rightful place in the presence
Of God.

It seems also we and our new corrupt will sort of ruined Gods plan early On

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the evil rampant in the world is because of satans lie and mans nature corrupted by following it accepting the forbidden knowledge brought creation down fast and still does today
 
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amen translation at the moment of death we leave this earthly temple for a better one

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭

And those in their graves like Lazarus or the opening of the graves

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. …
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and those approaching death like this believer about to die

“And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:42-43‬ ‭

Jesus is incapable of lying or giving false hope he himself is the truth. And came to speak the truth to believers about death it’s only a parting from the broke down temple we dwelt in on earth to a better one prepared for us by the lord but we walk by this faith looking into what cannot be seen

that man known as the anonymous thief on the cross one thing is that he is without question with God and was that very day and Christians are given the same hope when facing death

Jesus holds the power of Life and death now and forever and offers it to us in his word he went into death to overcome it and become lord of both living and death by his resurrection in victory over death and he’ll having the power of eternal Life

“I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s able to deliver the faithful he’s always been able

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5‬ ‭


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one day he’s going to translate believers after thier time on earth is done into
His kingdom if we persevere in faith and walk after his kingdom .
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬

"believes thou this" the serpent being deceptive don't believe it
 

montana123

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you may have noticed once or twice that the word for live in english spells Evil backwards but did you know that in the hebrew the word for life also expresses dualism? for example the biblical matriarch Eve is named for life

Genesis 3: 20And Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living.

Eve's name means life and you may have noticed that Eve's name is palindromic meaning the word is the same forwards and backwards. this is not just true in english either in Hebrew Eve's name is Havvah which is also a palindrome.

the tree of knowledge of good and evil expresses knowledge of dualism much like the experience of life itself. life isnt just good or evil but encompasses both good and evil. and what happens when one lives? they die by default! so life is paradoxical or good and evil. life is the tree of knowledge in itself. if you live eventually you will die. this is what God means when he says if you eat of that tree you will surely die because if you live you die!
When Adam and Eve were ousted from the garden God protected the tree of life lest they eat of it and live forever which if they ate off of the tree of life in their sinful condition they would of stayed like that with no reversal and all their offspring could not be saved because they would have the same nature as Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve were created innocent with no sin attached to them and it would of never entered their mind to eat of the tree of good and evil unless and outside source tempted them so God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could know and think.

Then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality and Eve ate of the tree and sinned then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him that nothing happened to her and he ate of the fruit and sinned.

The tree of life was in the garden which means if they did not eat of the tree of the good and evil they would of lived forever although it would of been in the flesh which it was not forbidden to eat of the tree of life.

When God said if they eat of the tree of good and evil they would die He meant they would die physically for they could not die spiritually because they would of lived forever in the flesh if they did not eat of the tree of good and evil.

They would of never been able to be in heaven but only live on earth and they would never be able to have a glorified body.

This is what makes sense to me.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#29
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬

"believes thou this" the serpent being deceptive don't believe it
Jesus is deceiving people ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems an odd deception lol
 
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#30
Incorrect, the tree of life provides life eternal and Adam and eve had not eaten so they would have died anyway.

You are believing in falsehood my friend - Everything God made HE said GOOD and HE did not instill death when HE made Adam and Eve.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#34
You are believing in falsehood my friend - Everything God made HE said GOOD and HE did not instill death when HE made Adam and Eve.
nope he even provided tten the whole earth and freedom and a clear warning of how to live without death same thing he does for believers in Christ

But there’s always someone

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬

😅seems like our refusal to acknowledge Jesus has it all figured out and is telling the truth holds us up
 
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#35
You are following the lie of the serpent in the garden it is appointed to all man to die once even jesus himself and you are not greater than he
After sin entered the world - not before. Adam and Eve were made in the Image of God = God does not have death in Him = only LIFE.
 
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#36
nope he even provided tten the whole earth and freedom and a clear warning of how to live without death same thing he does for believers in Christ

But there’s always someone

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬

😅seems like our refusal to acknowledge Jesus has it all figured out and is telling the truth holds us up
see i told you, HE always gave those bad guys bad news - starting trouble by saying HE was before Moses as IAM and other crazy Eternal sayings like "IAM the Resurrection" and don't be fooled my friend by that Devil who offerred Him the world.
The Christ, you know more trouble for HE rejected that Devil just so He could save you and me and all who believe.....................

Now that Devil is coming with great wrath - BUT - the HOLY SPIRIT (another trouble maker) is filling us UP with Good Stuff that makes us want to be Overcomers - go figure
 

Magenta

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#37
After sin entered the world - not before. Adam and Eve were made in the Image of God = God does not have death in Him = only LIFE.
Adam and Eve would have had to eat from the Tree of Life to attain to life ever after.

First comes the physical, and then the spiritual :) God alone dwells in immortality :)
 

Aaron56

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#38
see i told you, HE always gave those bad guys bad news - starting trouble by saying HE was before Moses as IAM and other crazy Eternal sayings like "IAM the Resurrection" and don't be fooled my friend by that Devil who offerred Him the world.
The Christ, you know more trouble for HE rejected that Devil just so He could save you and me and all who believe.....................

Now that Devil is coming with great wrath - BUT - the HOLY SPIRIT (another trouble maker) is filling us UP with Good Stuff that makes us want to be Overcomers - go figure
Jesus was such a troublemaker.
 
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After sin entered the world - not before. Adam and Eve were made in the Image of God = God does not have death in Him = only LIFE.
No Adam and eve were not immortal before sin only the tree of life can do that