Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[seed_time_harvest]

Sanctification is complete on the day of glorification or death which ever comes first for the Saint. Sanctification is a life long work done by the Spirit within the believer.

When Is the Spirit made perfect?

Hebrews 12:21-24
King James Version

21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

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Romans 12:1
King James Version

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

In that case your title should be changed, since no one teaches this:
Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

I ran out of time as you can see In post 10.I admitted that and agreed with Deuteronomy anywho do you believe a person should repent more than once to stay saved?

 

[SophieT]

You assume that I am not preaching that entire sanctification comes through faith in the blood of Jesus, as does justification.

actually, you assume that I assume

maybe don't assume

 

[SophieT]

I gave you scripture that said that.It stated what the fruit of the Spirit Is and you are saying that It's not true.If you are going to try to get me to prove scripture I don't know If that's something I can do for a Christian seeing how our foundation IS based on faith.

i did not see any. which post?

no I did not ask you to prove scripture. why would I do that?

I asked you for scripture to prove what you say you believe

not the same

 

[SophieT]

Z Z Z?

I pray that the Holy Spirit will convict you for your indifference to the truth of what I am proclaiming to you.

I think you are actually preaching self-righteousness

my supposed indifference is actually a rebuttal of your unbiblical doctrine

I truly hope you are not teaching anyone, let alone new Christians. it is disturbing the way you think you can somehow pray conviction down on people. and by the way, it will not work with me.

you really should let it go now before you say something that is reportable. you seem to be heading in that direction

 

[Laura798]

I know that there Is the book by John that says

1 John 1:9
King James Version
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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I think this scripture Is talking about coming to CHRIST and not talking about a person needs to continually ask to be forgiven after salvation.

Most of us know the Lords prayer do we not? “

“In this manner therefore pray….forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. “ We should have a daily habit of confession and requesting forgiveness. This is not the same as repentance unto salvation which is our acknowledgment that we are sinners in need of a savior.

 

[TMS]

Yes understanding that we are sinners is one thing and dealing with sin is another.
We should repent as soon as we feel the conviction on our heart. The Holy Spirit is convicting us of sin for a reason.

 

[Gardenias]

would it be of any use to quote the actual meanings of words or do you prefer to continue on with your own interpretations?

what speaks to me, is what scripture actually states...we renew our minds when we agree with what the word states

we do not renew scripture with what we state and sanctification is a process while you are still alive and kicking on Terra

it seems you are living in the make believe land of sinless perfectionism.

yeah. the Holy Spirit is not going to teach me what you believe.

He has Jesus only backgrounds.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i did not see any. which post?

no I did not ask you to prove scripture. why would I do that?

I asked you for scripture to prove what you say you believe

not the same

Galatians 5:21-23
King James Version

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Romans 5:3-5
King James Version

3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Most of us know the Lords prayer do we not? “

“In this manner therefore pray….forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. “ We should have a daily habit of confession and requesting forgiveness. This is not the same as repentance unto salvation which is our acknowledgment that we are sinners in need of a savior.

But I mean do we Have to do this to maintain salvation?

 

[Laura798]

But I mean do we Have to do this to maintain salvation?

But I mean do we Have to do this to maintain salvation?

No Seed Time, we don't. But confession has many benefits--1. It helps us stay aware of where we need to change 2. It's a relief to confess and then to be forgiven! He removes our sins "as far as the east is from the west" and though your sins be as scarlet, I will make them white as snow." We're also told to "confess your sins one, to another and you will be healed." It is refreshing when you have a trusted person you can share your sins with and they with you. 3. It keeps up in closer fellowship with God--this vulnerability is what deepens our relationship with Him. Blessings to you, Laura.

 

[SophieT]

He has Jesus only backgrounds.

oh really?

oneness then?

huh

 

[SophieT]

Galatians 5:21-23
King James Version

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Romans 5:3-5
King James Version

3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

there is nothing there that indicates that the fruit of the Holy Spirit is instantaneous

verses 21 - 23 are contrasting unsaved people with those who are saved ... which means those who are without the Holy Spirit and those who are indwelled by the Holy Spirit

what you fail to grasp is that the Holy Spirit must work in us in order for us to be conformed to the 'image of Christ', as per scripture and that is a part of sanctification, which is ongoing throughout the life of a person

there is nothing in what you quote above to indicate that the fruit (character) is sudden and complete

 

[SophieT]

Here is a pretty good article that explains the process:

Many Christians, upon being converted and reading about the fruit of the Spirit that they are called to, try and polish up their lives so that more of the fruit listed above comes forth. They labor and strive in their own strength to develop the fruit of the Spirit, but that doesn’t get them very far. Maybe they come to achieve a little more love, a little more goodness, a little more patience, but there comes a point where they fall short, or where they just “can’t bear it anymore.”

The fruit of the Spirit is the fruit of God’s work in our lives when we are obedient to the Holy Spirit, not the fruit of our own strength, and produces “all joy and peace” (Romans 15:13), “all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering.” (Ephesians 4:2) “For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth.” Ephesians 5:9. “… strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy …” Colossians 1:11. Such abundant fruit-bearing can only occur when we are strengthened with all might by the power of the Holy Spirit, and hence is referred to as the fruit of the Spirit.
source

 

[SophieT]

How to develop the fruit of the Spirit
We must be born again, born of the Spirit, if we are to see the kingdom of God, that kingdom that consists of power, righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. All that we can accomplish in our own strength and determination will fall short by comparison. Someone who is born of the Spirit has the power of the Spirit at work in them to change how they are. They no longer have to live according to their human nature—their impatience, their pride, their lack of goodness and gentleness, etc.—but have power from heaven available to help them live a life pleasing to God.

The fruit of the Spirit is contrasted with the works of the flesh. “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:19-21.

The fruit of the Spirit, as opposed to the works of the flesh mentioned above, is manifested in those who walk according to the Spirit: “I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.” Galatians 5:16. “And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” Galatians 5:24-25. To “walk in the Spirit” can sound a bit mystical. How do we walk in the Spirit so that the works of the flesh no longer come forth in our life, but rather the fruit of the Spirit?
(same source)

 

[SophieT]

How do we walk in the Spirit?
Jesus says in John 6:63, “The words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life.” To walk in the Spirit is to walk in—to obey—Jesus’ words, which He Himself says are “spirit,” by the power of the Holy Spirit. But then we cannot continue to live in such a way that we fulfill the lust of the flesh with its passions and desires. Such a life is possible for every Christian by the power of the Holy Spirit!

It is written in Romans 8:13, “For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” We understand from this verse that it is by the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the body, and not by our own strength. We also read that we cannot continue to live according to the flesh or we will die. Such an understanding produces a godly fear in us, so that we go boldly to the throne of grace to receive mercy and grace to help in the time of need—the time of temptation.

In addition, we read that it is we who are to put to death the deeds of the body, by the Spirit. It is not a work that God has ordained to take place in our lives independent of our will and obedience. It is a work that we must consciously choose and give ourselves to. Then the fruit of the Spirit will come forth in our lives, and we will experience an ever-increasing abundance of life—the life of the Spirit.

(same source again)

 

[justbyfaith]

All writers were carnal.

2Pe 1:21,For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Not everyone is carnal.

1Co 3:1, And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2, I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3, For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

 

[justbyfaith]

Well I have yet to see such sinless perfection in anyone's life but Jesus.

All scripture must harmonize and I do not see sinless perfection being on part of man's works. I see it being paid and freed from. But not totally eradicated from the flesh.

No, not eradicated.

Rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

 

[justbyfaith]

How to develop the fruit of the Spirit
We must be born again, born of the Spirit, if we are to see the kingdom of God, that kingdom that consists of power, righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. All that we can accomplish in our own strength and determination will fall short by comparison. Someone who is born of the Spirit has the power of the Spirit at work in them to change how they are. They no longer have to live according to their human nature—their impatience, their pride, their lack of goodness and gentleness, etc.—but have power from heaven available to help them live a life pleasing to God.

The fruit of the Spirit is contrasted with the works of the flesh. “Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:19-21.

The fruit of the Spirit, as opposed to the works of the flesh mentioned above, is manifested in those who walk according to the Spirit: “I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.” Galatians 5:16. “And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” Galatians 5:24-25. To “walk in the Spirit” can sound a bit mystical. How do we walk in the Spirit so that the works of the flesh no longer come forth in our life, but rather the fruit of the Spirit?
(same source)

Do you believe that it is possible to walk consistently according to the Spirit?

 

[Runningman]

It seems to me that "changing your mind" is something that can be, and often is, something that can be done more than once. If it wasn't human could not grow, they would always remain the same.

Also, it seems to me that works are part of repentance. Salvation is not based on our sins but our faith, but how cam you possibly have faith in the entire being of Christ and have faith in sin for yourself? If we eliminate sin from our lives then works happen to us. It is part of accepting Christ within us.

In your view, how often can someone genuinely repent and still be repentance and not disingenuous?

I mean, if someone changes their mind and ways then a few days later misses the mark again, repents, has a few good days, misses the mark again then is that real repentance?