How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Absolutely]

Right down the middle to Hell.

I use verses

You do not have a single postrib rapture verse.

None

Zero

 

[DavidTree]

It's a curiosity to me. I sometimes think we are both.Romans 6:3&4 Those that where baptized into Jesus christ where baptized into his death.so we drown 2 Jesus is the first begotten of the dead,,,Again their is nobody that god does not know.good or bad.To say he never knew them? That's not a fib?

God knows all things - HE sees all things

For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight;
everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

The LORD said "I do not know you"

This is a marriage term - HE is only coming for those who are in HIM and HE in them.

And Adam knew his wife and she concieved ..........Genesis 4

 

[DavidTree]

One insurmountable problem you face is trying to make ALL THE PRETRIB rapture verses fit into a warring desttroyed earth with no believers left and the white horses somehow force fitted into the pretrib rapture verses.

Can not be done.

Neither can any postrib rapture expert unpack rev 14.

They COMPLETELY RUN from rev 14.

You have lost it - you re on the wide and crooked path of twisting and turning

 

[Absolutely]

Unless you change the answer(s) - just like they are doing.

1. EXAMPLE: the "falling away" is the rapture = FALSE

God's Answer: Apostle John bears witness it is indeed a falling away/departure from truth = 1 John 2:18

2. EXAMPLE: the church is not mentioned in Matt 24 = FALSE

God's Answer: The Disciples are the Bride, Christ is the Bridegroom John 1:29-34

3. EXAMPLE: they falsely say: "After the rapture more Saints appear in Revelation" = FALSE

God's Answers: 2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.
And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;

Revelation 20:4-6
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.

God's TRUTH: No rapture until the Resurrection - 1 Thessalonins 4:13-18 and Revelation chapters 6, 7, 14 and 20

Your coneectimg dots out of order and depending on a cliche centered approach.

Your main deal has so focussed on wild opposition to our position.

That is why it is easy to make you go against the bible.

Your latest shot at the flood victims is an example of you just wildly ascribing stuff that is not even applicable.

Complete nothing burger

 

[Absolutely]

God knows all things - HE sees all things

For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight;
everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

The LORD said "I do not know you"

This is a marriage term - HE is only coming for those who are in HIM and HE in them.

And Adam knew his wife and she concieved ..........Genesis 4

There you go

I agree.

.....but i do not think you even know you are confirming the 5 foolish virgins are indeed christians

 

[rayzor]

One insurmountable problem you face is trying to make ALL THE PRETRIB rapture verses fit into a warring desttroyed earth with no believers left and the white horses somehow force fitted into the pretrib rapture verses.

Can not be done.

Neither can any postrib rapture expert unpack rev 14.

They COMPLETELY RUN from rev 14.

Absolutely white horse is after the red.That's at the beginning of sin.Red horse is murder brother killing brother ,,,Cain killed Abel, White horse is war,,yes Jesus started the punisment of sin by opening the seals.

 

[Absolutely]

You have lost it - you re on the wide and crooked path of twisting and turning

This is what i mean.

You can not answer so you hurl generalities.

 

[Absolutely]

Absolutely white horse is after the red.That's at the beginning of sin.Red horse is brother killing brother ,,,Cain killed Abel, White horse is war,,yes Jesus started the punisment of sin by opening the seals.

After the trib Jesus and the saints blacken the sky with their horses.

Postrib rapture can never be forced into all the pretrib verses.

Can not happen

But Rev 14 is the final nail.
None of the postrib rapture experts will go there.

 

[cv5]

No you've got that all wrong.

1 Thes 4.....addresses the Church only. The final and full expression of the mystery of Ephesians 3 et al.

Matthew 24.....addresses Israel only. Fulfills the Abrahamic, Palestinian and Davidic covenants.

Utterly profoundly and entirely mutually exclusive. Conflating their distinctiveness is your biggest problem. You've got to sort this out because if you don't you'll never truly comprehend eschatology correctly.

To be clear:
The beginning of the full and final expression for the Church....glorification. Which will then extend to eternity future.

The beginning of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic, Palestinian and Davidic covenants. The second coming of Jesus to the earth will begin the Acts 3:21 "times of restoration of all things".....which is a relatively drawnout process. Including the healing of the planet earth ruined during the tribulation period.

 

[rayzor]

After the trib Jesus and the saints blacken the sky with their horses.

Postrib rapture can never be forced into all the pretrib verses.

Can not happen

But Rev 14 is the final nail.
None of the postrib rapture experts will go there.

There's more then one kind of tribulation.And it is written even in tribulation of the last days if you call out to me i will hear you.and save you.Point is there is hope even if your left behind.

 

[Absolutely]

You missed the side of the barn

Classic POT < > KETTLE.

Yes you did

 

[Absolutely]

You did in your posts 1605 & 1610

I took a look.

Uh no...those are dimensions you never studied.

You have devoted yourself to an attack on the pretrib rapture.

That is why you have miles of omissions.

Stuff you have never seen and just wildly attacked.

Left you in the desert big time.

That postrib rapture mule died in the desert and has left you guys wildly swinging at our solid biblical dynamics.

 

[Absolutely]

All you know is a very planned pinpointed rapture to the day at the end of the gt.
Oh wait....date setting is a trap.

......but you continue in it.

 

[rayzor]

[Revelation 7:14 KJV] 14 And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

[Deuteronomy 4:30-31 KJV] 30 When you are in tribulation, and all these things happen to you [even] in the latter days, if you turn to me, and be obedient to my voice; 31 (For I am a merciful God I will not forsake you, neither destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which i promised them.

 

[rayzor]

We at least know that some are spared in the great tribulation

 

[TMS]

I read in the bible that the coming of Jesus is a noticeable event. It will not be a secret rapture or a rapture done in secret. All the verses about Jesus's coming is a glorious event.
1 Thes 4, Matt 24, Rev 19, 1 Cor 15:51.
When Jesus comes it is over. Judgement is over.

 

[rayzor]

I read in the bible that the coming of Jesus is a noticeable event. It will not be a secret rapture or a rapture done in secret. All the verses about Jesus's coming is a glorious event.
1 Thes 4, Matt 24, Rev 19, 1 Cor 15:51.
When Jesus comes it is over. Judgement is over.

Like the days of Noah,,,It's both worst of times yet to many seeming like the same old stuff.
TOOLS

Mat 24:40
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
TOOLS

Mat 24:41
Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[cv5]

Yet I proved it using scripture, while you did not. You cannot argue against texts provideed because they are clearly showing a post-trib rapture. Post-trib won debate before debate ever started. The scriptures posted are clear. Everyone is free to agree or not but there is only one right answer and that is post-trib.

Until you figure out the succinct deliberate differentiation between the Church the Bride and the people whom He foreknew the Israelites.......you will never be anything less than confused.

You MUST comprehend that Daniels 70th week prophecy (including its ramifications and connections to so many other Bible passages) pertains only to Israel. It pertains not at all to the Church....in fact this Scripture makes it clear that the Church will be spectators from the mezzanine. How many more "not appointed to wrath" Scriptures do you need anyways?

How in the world are you are still ignorant of the staggering meaning and implications of Romans 11:25? You do realize that it concatenates with Daniels 70th week perfectly, do you not? And harmonizes perfectly with the gap between the 69th and the 70th week correct? Paul does not desire that you be ignorant and neither do I......

Rom 11:25
"For I do not desire brethren that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel, UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles has come in"

Those of us who understand the Bible realize that this is a keystone Scripture.....positively bursting with relevancy.

 

[cv5]

I read in the bible that the coming of Jesus is a noticeable event. It will not be a secret rapture or a rapture done in secret. All the verses about Jesus's coming is a glorious event.
1 Thes 4, Matt 24, Rev 19, 1 Cor 15:51.
When Jesus comes it is over. Judgement is over.

Once you actually grasp, comprehend and understand the rapture as it pertains to the whole counsel of God (being indisputably supported by both the text, the prophecies and the structure).....you never go back buddy.

All of the post-tribber opinions I read here don't budge me an inch.....in fact quite the contrary. They falsify their position in the very act of propounding it. Every single time......

 

[Absolutely]

Once you actually grasp, comprehend and understand the rapture as it pertains to the whole counsel of God (being indisputably supported by both the text, the prophecies and the structure).....you never go back buddy.

All of the post-tribber opinions I read here don't budge me an inch.....in fact quite the contrary. They falsify their position in the very act of propounding it. Every single time......

Over the years what i see repeated is that they are not really centered on a postrib rapture, but rather centered on an attack of the pretrib rapture.
That sets them up for failure because what happens is, they tell us what we believe without accurracy.