Christ is God

[TheLearner]

I find it more informative if you put in your words everything here....because posting them does not show you understand them

I will shorten the text to the highlights:

2 Peter 1
Easy-to-Read Version
3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God.
5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things:
to your faith add goodness;
to your goodness add knowledge; 6
to your knowledge add self-control;
to your self-control add patience;
to your patience add devotion to God; 7
to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and
to this kindness add love. 8

If all these things are in you and growing, you will never fail to be useful to God.

You will produce the kind of fruit that should come from your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


If you do all this, you will never fall.

 

[Hone]

I hear a mic dropping somewhere...lol

all were present as they were in John chapter 1

what I AM saying is without the other two GOD could still create...without GOD those other two don't come to life

 

[Hone]

I will shorten the text to the highlights:

2 Peter 1
Easy-to-Read Version
3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God.
5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things:
to your faith add goodness;
to your goodness add knowledge; 6
to your knowledge add self-control;
to your self-control add patience;
to your patience add devotion to God; 7
to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and
to this kindness add love. 8

If all these things are in you and growing, you will never fail to be useful to God.

You will produce the kind of fruit that should come from your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


If you do all this, you will never fall.

yes but none of that says Jesus was with GOD at creation, it points to him being GOD at creation

 

[TheLearner]

OK let me put it another way, if the WORD and JESUS were at the creation, and GOD wasn't,... would there have been a creation

All three members of the trinity was there on the day of creation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zdhmtv4/revision/3

VII. The Holy Spirit Is God
A. Equated with God: Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 3:17-18
B. Has the incommunicable attributes of God
1. Eternal: Heb. 9:14
2. Omnipresent: Psa. 139:7
3. Omniscient: 1 Cor. 2:10-11
C. Involved in all the works of God
1. Creation: Gen. 1:2; Psa. 104:30
2. Incarnation: Matt. 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35
3. Resurrection: Rom. 1:4; 8:11
4. Salvation: Rom. 8:1-27
D. Is a person
1. Has a name: Matt. 28:19; note that even though "name" might
be used of a nonperson, here, in conjunction with the Father and
the Son, it must be used of a person
2. Is the "Helper"
a. Is another Helper: John 14:16, cf. 1 John 2:1;
note also that "Helper" (paraklêtos) was used in
Greek always or almost always of persons.
b. Is sent in Jesus' name, to teach: John 14:26.
c. Will arrive, and then bear witness: John 15:26-27.

 

[TheLearner]

d. Is sent by Christ to convict of sin, will speak not
on his own but on behalf of Christ, will glorify
Christ, thus exhibiting humility: John 16:7-14.
3. Is the Holy Spirit, in contrast to unholy spirits: Mark 3:22-30, cf.
Matt. 12:32; 1 Tim. 4:1; 1 John 3:24-4:6.
4. Speaks, is quoted as speaking: John 16:13; Acts 1:16; 8:29;
10:19; 11:12; 13:2; 16:6; 20:23; 21:11: 28:25-27; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb.
3:7-11; 10:15-17; 1 Pet. 1:11; Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13,22.
5. Can be lied to: Acts 5:3
6. Can make decisions, judgments: Acts 15:28
7. Intercedes for Christians with the Father: Rom. 8:26
8. "Impersonal" language used of the Spirit paralled by language
used of other persons
a. The Holy Spirit as fire: Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16; cf.
Ex. 3:2-4; Deut. 4:24; 9:3; Heb. 12:29
C. God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ are two persons
1. The salutations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph.
1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2
Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; Phm. 3; James 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:2; 2 John 3
2. Two witnesses: John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; cf. Num. 35:30; Deut.
17:6; 19:15
3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:16-17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10;
etc.; cf. John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21
4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 5:20; 14:31;
15:9; 17-23-26; cf. Matt. 3:17 par.; 17:5 par.; 2 Pet. 1:17

 

[CS1]

I hear a mic dropping somewhere...lol

what I AM saying is without the other two GOD could still create...without GOD those other two don't come to life

I have never looked at it like that because there was never a time Christ did not exist or the Spirit of God

 

[Hone]

ALL three were there because GOD is all three.....that is the connection the world doesn't make

 

[TheLearner]

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father:
John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26; etc.
6. The Father knows the Son, and the Son knows the Father: Matt.
11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29; 8:55; 10:15
7. Jesus our Advocate with the Father: 1 John 2:1
D. Jesus is not God the Father
1. Isa. 9:6: "Father of eternity" means eternal; compare other
names formed with word "father": Abialbon, "father of strength" =
strong (2 Sam. 23:31); Abiasaph, "father of gathering" = gatherer
(Ex. 6:24); Abigail, a woman's name(!), "father of exultation" =
exulting (1 Chron. 2:16).

https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[Hone]

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father:
John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26; etc.
6. The Father knows the Son, and the Son knows the Father: Matt.
11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29; 8:55; 10:15
7. Jesus our Advocate with the Father: 1 John 2:1
D. Jesus is not God the Father
1. Isa. 9:6: "Father of eternity" means eternal; compare other
names formed with word "father": Abialbon, "father of strength" =
strong (2 Sam. 23:31); Abiasaph, "father of gathering" = gatherer
(Ex. 6:24); Abigail, a woman's name(!), "father of exultation" =
exulting (1 Chron. 2:16).

https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

how can the father speak to the son if the son wasn't born yet...remember Jesus is the flesh of GOD

 

[TheLearner]

 

[Hone]

If people are saying GOD and Jesus were up in heaven discussing creation, that means GOD is not Jesus, Jesus is not GOD because they were talking to each other before creation...that's two different GOD's at the beginning....GOD...&...JESUS....but the Bible says Jesus is GOD

 

[Hone]

I have never looked at it like that because there was never a time Christ did not exist or the Spirit of God

GOD... IS... those two, he created them....without him they don't exist.....WITHOUT .....GOD.....NOTHING exist's

 

[CS1]

GOD... IS... those two, he created them....without him they don't exist.....WITHOUT .....GOD.....NOTHING exist's

I am sorry but God did not create HIS Spirit or Christ. they are eternal in the Godhead. Jesus is not a created being the Holy Spirit is not created. I must say that is very much unbiblical. It is human reasoning to say the two would not be without God when God has already said they have always been

 

[phil36]

Personally I don't know why the mods and admin are allowing such heresy to be flagarently taught on CC.

The mind boggles.

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

 

[MattforJesus]

one has to scoff and mock when speaking about the Eternal Godhead to make their point seem more truthful is Blasphemy. You don't win the debate by mocking what is known as the Godhead.

There is no mocking only saying there is no trinity but one God with no distinction of persons.

 

[Hone]

Was that

I am sorry but God did not create HIS Spirit or Christ. they are eternal in the Godhead. Jesus is not a created being the Holy Spirit is not created. I must say that is very much unbiblical. It is human reasoning to say the two would not be without God when God has already said they have always been

I'm using simple logic, reasoning, common sense, and GOD's understanding.....IF
GOD is the father
GOD is the Son
GOD is the Holy Spirit....it makes sense that if GOD wasn't there ..we would have...?
if JESUS wasn't born, would GOD be a father
if GOD never gave it would there be a Holy Spirit.............Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning GOD" created the heavens and the earth.
implying that before that there was just GOD and darkness,...by the accounts of verses 2-5......yes I agree there are false prophets...and when GOD tells me I AM one I'll let you know...till then I AM just a less than ordinary man, who has been led to TOTAL submission of his life to GOD...life by his will, by his understanding, by his knowledge, and by his wisdom......and I AM putting aside all that I have, all that I know, all that I love, ....so that he can love me....proof:
My Children know...My Family know...& GOD know's
A ten year relationship came to an end this January, our understanding in GOD was divided...she believed in GOD "just not hard core like you do"....then later said our district was guarded by a boulder...to which I replied was an in-animate? object and couldn't protect anything...
so I AM willing to put my faith to the test & live by it.......if that is heresy then I AM guilty

 

[listenyoumustAll]

Christ is the church . Jesus is God

 

[TheLearner]

yes but none of that says Jesus was with GOD at creation, it points to him being GOD at creation

It was in response to someone's statement about faith and level.

I already provided sufficient proof of the son of god being involved in creation.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning
John 1:1 In the beginning

What more proof do you need?

Colossians 1:16 ESV
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

John 1:3 ESV
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.


https://www.coursera.org/courses?query=reading

 

[TheLearner]

E. The Son existed before his Incarnation, even before creation
1. Prov. 30:4: This is not predictive prophecy; "prophecy" in 30:1
translates massa, which is rendered elsewhere as "burden."
2. The Son created all things: See VI.E.1
3. Jesus was "with" (pros or para) God the Father before creation:
John 1:1; 17:5; pros in John 1:1 does not mean "pertaining to,"
although it does in Hebrews 2:17; 5:1 (which use pros with ta).
4. Jesus, the Son of God, existed before John the Baptist (who was
born before Jesus): John 1:15, cf. 1:14-18, 29-34
5. Jesus, the Son, came down from heaven, sent from the Father,
and went back to heaven, back to the Father: John 3:13, 31; 6:33;
38, 41, 46, 51, 56-58, 62; 8:23, 42; 13:3; 16:27-28; cf. Acts 1:10-
11; cf. the sending of the Holy Spirit, John 16:5-7; 1 Pet. 1:12
6. Jesus, speaking as the Son (John 8:54-56), asserts His eternal
preexistence before Abraham: John 8:58
7. The Son explicitly said to exist "before all things": Col. 1:17, cf.
1:12-20
8. These statements cannot be dismissed as true only in God's
foreknowledge
a. We are all "in God's mind" before creation; yet
such passages as John 1:1 and John 17:5 clearly
mean to say something unusual about Christ.
b. To say that all things were created through
Christ means that He must have existed at creation.
c. No one else in Scripture is ever said to have been
with God before creation.
9. Texts which speak of the Son being begotten "today" do not
mean He became the Son on a certain day, since they refer to His
exaltation at the resurrection (Acts 13:33; Heb. 1:3-5; 5:5; cf. Psa.
2:7; cf. also Rom. 1:4).
https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[Hone]

One half of Jesus was human...the other IS GOD...of course he will be there at creation....this is common sense people