poll can what go into a man or woman defile a man or woman ?

[DavidTree]

i have to ask the question Did Jesus actually say the words all food is clean from mark 7:19

I have to ask this @JaumeJ from the translation of the kjv because that is known as the nearest to the original texts.. so here it is.. maybe some well educated bible scholar can bring up original texts for us and explain it and we can study it further
KJ21
because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly and goeth out into the drain, thereby purging all meats?”

Ok this verse has been translated to 10 different meanings at least...

my understanding of this one sentence in modern day times is all food you eat can be expelled from the body.. but actually youmay need to fast for a few days to expell the toxins you get from food when they get to high in your body.. many modern day diets now have a one day fast a week from food that is working very well for people.

could this be the reason why Jesus fasted for 40 days because scripture does not say why he fasted for 40 days.. and also scripture does not say the dangers of what can happen if toxins from food get to high in your body or the signs of them getting to high. all tho scripture does indicate this, it isnt pacific. and toxins gettting to high inyour body can cause all sorts of unrest in your body from anything you put in your body. And where does unrest lead to ?

We are living in a different ecological/biological 'food' system then the from the Beginning until the last 120 years.

The Lord was speaking of foods that are good for us to eat and even if we have bad sushi, it will get eliminated from the body.

The Toxins being produced in the environment - air, water, soil come from the BEAST.

 

[John146]

God giving mankind plant food to live on is classed as being under a law ?.. are you sure God was not saying that plant food is sufficent for you to live on ?... Isnt Gods law unmerited favor ?

Of course not, but under the law there were certain foods that the Jew was forbidden to eat because it defiled the flesh. Their souls were stuck to their flesh, no spiritual circumcision available yet. But under the blood of Christ, believers have been circumcised from the flesh and it's no longer touch not, taste not.

 

[de-emerald]

We are living in a different ecological/biological 'food' system then the from the Beginning until the last 120 years.

The Lord was speaking of foods that are good for us to eat and even if we have bad sushi, it will get eliminated from the body.

The Toxins being produced in the environment - air, water, soil come from the BEAST.

This is the thing im talking about as well. but i am also referencing the acient times to because as you know the methane gas that cows produce has always been highly toxic... But the reality a cows chemical makeover is different to ours.. because we simply havent got the digestive system to sit in a field all day and eat grass. i will respond to your other post soon and your opening funny quote lol verry funny hahahaha. So the reality is if where eating animal flesh that is of a differnt chemical make over far to long what can happen ?,, to be honest the signs are everywhere.. the amount of bad breathed farting people with heart burn is extremly high.

The flesh from animal meet will be full of fatty acids that we just cant handle if you get my drift.. and it is only the blood that is cleaned from meat when cooked not the fatty acids.. which is more of a reason for fasting on one of theese one day a week fasting diets which is catching on everywhere.. to avoids those toxins building up... because you can erupt just like a volcano eventualy.. rage and stuff and who likes you when your like that. i think as well addictive animal fat can make you angry if you dont get it just like cigarettes can.. some people get really angry in those macdonald beef burger ques you know.

 

[DavidTree]

This is the thing im talking about as well. but i am also referencing the acient times to because as you know the methane gas that cows produce has always been highly toxic... But the reality a cows chemical makeover is different to ours.. because we simply havent got the digestive system to sit in a field all day and eat grass. i will respond to your other post soon and your opening funny quote lol verry funny hahahaha. So the reality is if where eating animal flesh that is of a differnt chemical make over far to long what can happen ?,, to be honest the signs are everywhere.. the amount of bad breathed farting people with heart burn is extremly high.

The flesh from animal meet will be full of fatty acids that we just cant handle if you get my drift.. and it is only the blood that is cleaned from meat when cooked not the fatty acids.. which is more of a reason for fasting on one of theese one day a week fasting diets which is catching on everywhere.. to avoids those toxins building up... because you can erupt just like a volcano eventualy.. rage and stuff and who likes you when your like that. i think as well addictive animal fat can make you angry if you dont get it just like cigarettes can.. some people get really angry in those macdonald beef burger ques you know.

What were the ingredients of our temporal house made from = the earth and all it's goodness that was once present.

The Beast has poisoned the environment which in turn poisons our bodies by overloading them with toxins.

The world has never experience this before - make mental note of that - our Lord said it.

 

[DavidTree]

Of course not, but under the law there were certain foods that the Jew was forbidden to eat because it defiled the flesh. Their souls were stuck to their flesh, no spiritual circumcision available yet. But under the blood of Christ, believers have been circumcised from the flesh and it's no longer touch not, taste not.

Spiritual circumcision was commanded by God before Christ came.

For this is what the LORD says to the men of Judah and Jerusalem:

“Break up your unplowed ground,
and do not sow among the thorns.
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD,
and remove the foreskins of your hearts,
O men of Judah and people of Jerusalem.
Otherwise, My wrath will break out like fire
and burn with no one to extinguish it,
because of your evil deeds.”

Jeremiah 4

 

[de-emerald]

Of course not, but under the law there were certain foods that the Jew was forbidden to eat because it defiled the flesh. Their souls were stuck to their flesh, no spiritual circumcision available yet. But under the blood of Christ, believers have been circumcised from the flesh and it's no longer touch not, taste not.

yes your talking about the law of eating food that still has blood in it.. which is still law is it not ?.. i mean you wouldnt want to catch aids would you ?.. surely this is still law i would of thought. the perception is that when people talk about should we be more vegi than meet eater.. that where talking about the law. or some how its a crime to eat meat.. but anyhow i think maybe we dont need to eat meet and maybe we should follow what adam and eve ate if there is plenty of plant food to go round.. in the middle east tho there was droughts and no crops it was different.. but theese days we have more choice with modern day farming.. but if your an alaskkan then sometimes you really do have to eat meat to survive.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are overlooking the contrasting mention of what truly defiles a person, that being if the content of the heart is evil the person is defiled.

Our Teacher stresses nothhing which physically enters the body corrupst a person, not even toxins, it is what proceeds from the heart which will.

We are not talking about being poisoned or made ill we are talking about what makes a person spiritually wicked.

All the poos and all their results will never change what God has spoken.|

 

[JaumeJ]

yes your talking about the law of eating food that still has blood in it.. which is still law is it not ?.. i mean you wouldnt want to catch aids would you ?.. surely this is still law i would of thought. the perception is that when people talk about should we be more vegi than meet eater.. that where talking about the law. or some how its a crime to eat meat.. but anyhow i think maybe we dont need to eat meet and maybe we should follow what adam and eve ate if there is plenty of plant food to go round.. in the middle east tho where there was droughts and no crops it was different.. but theese days we have more choice with modern day farming.. but if your an alaskkan then sometimes you really do have to eat meat to survive.

We are no longer bound by law, however our Father;s wisdom will never be taken away.

 

[de-emerald]

We are no longer bound by law, however our Father;s wisdom will never be taken away.

hi ill see you soon mate theres more to it than what you wrote will speak to you soon there are somethings that will defile you and have you defiling if actions are not taken,, but your absolutely right here in this quote.

 

[John146]

yes your talking about the law of eating food that still has blood in it.. which is still law is it not ?.. i mean you wouldnt want to catch aids would you ?.. surely this is still law i would of thought. the perception is that when people talk about should we be more vegi than meet eater.. that where talking about the law. or some how its a crime to eat meat.. but anyhow i think maybe we dont need to eat meet and maybe we should follow what adam and eve ate if there is plenty of plant food to go round.. in the middle east tho there was droughts and no crops it was different.. but theese days we have more choice with modern day farming.. but if your an alaskkan then sometimes you really do have to eat meat to survive.

Many things were forbidden to the Jew under the law.

Leviticus 11
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

 

[de-emerald]

You are overlooking the contrasting mention of what truly defiles a person, that being if the content of the heart is evil the person is defiled.

Our Teacher stresses nothhing which physically enters the body corrupst a person, not even toxins, it is what proceeds from the heart which will.

We are not talking about being poisoned or made ill we are talking about what makes a person spiritually wicked.

All the poos and all their results will never change what God has spoken.|

Ok had to take a break, personaly speaking i think we have to look at all scrpture when quoting one sentence.

We have to look at the fact that through out the old testerment there is no mention of the enemy taking a persons thoughts captive, but there is knowledge to suggest that angels can make people argue and quarrel in the old testerment. ok now should we call that Good if its instructed by God to command his angels to have us all arguing ?. and should we call it bad if satan instructs his angels to have us all arguing but with no command from God to do so ?.. In the old testerment how would they have known it was God when in the new testerment it was only fortold that demons can appear as an angel of light and proclaim to be God.

 

[de-emerald]

Christ is addressing three things - the natural versus the supernatural and defilement = that which defiles a person before God

Natural : We must eat food to keep our temporal bodies alive and healthy - food does not defile us before God
It goes in our gut and comes out the butt = " but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated"

Supernatural: "The power of life and death is in the tongue"
DEATH:
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

LIFE:
I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,
always giving thanks to God the Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.…

DEFILEMENT:
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

DECISIONS - What will you do?:
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

LIFE ETERNAL
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

Ok we can have a talk about this,, defiling and the perceptions.. Jesus was telling the Jews they had been defiled by the devil that they had believed his lies.. Jesus was not actually condeming the Jews here he loved them and was telling them and speaking to them because they where the house of Isreal. they had all been decieved and defiled by an angel of light many many times i would add and in return they where defiling Gods word them selves.. dont you see it ? hence also the scriptures being deliberately sabataged ie seperated into different time periods by somebody

 

[DavidTree]

Ok we can have a talk about this,, defiling and the perceptions.. Jesus was telling the Jews they had been defiled by the devil that they had believed his lies.. Jesus was not actually condeming the Jews here he loved them and was telling them and speaking to them because they where the house of Isreal. they had all been decieved and defiled by an angel of light many many times i would add and in return they where defiling Gods word them selves.. dont you see it ? hence also the scriptures being deliberately sabataged ie seperated into differnet time periods by somebody

Oh no dear Brother - He condemned them and their evil hearts right on the spot.

NO beating around the BUSH - do you understand this what i said here?

"You are of your father the devil" - God does not accept the children of the wicked one into His Kingdom.

Jesus said in Matthew 15: But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Two things you need to discover in His Word:
Who are His lost sheep?
and
Who is the House of Israel ???

 

[de-emerald]

Many things were forbidden to the Jew under the law.

Leviticus 11
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

So many many warnings here and why ? i think this is the more important question.. and why should theese animals be eaten nowadays ? is it because of how mark 7:19 has been taught ?..

personaly i think every law here should be questioned with why i mean everyone of them we should tackle..from 2 to 20

 

[de-emerald]

Oh no dear Brother - He condemned them and their evil hearts right on the spot.

NO beating around the BUSH - do you understand this what i said here?

"You are of your father the devil" - God does not accept the children of the wicked one into His Kingdom.

Jesus said in Matthew 15: But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Two things you need to discover in His Word:
Who are His lost sheep?
and
Who is the House of Israel ???

nope more mixed up scripture you have to read John 1 from the beginning because First Jesus tells the Jews all the secrets of the heavens through John.

then he reasures them that he is the real God.. then the Jews tell him that they are of abraham who where Gods Chosen people.. Jesus knew who they where.. and they where not of the devil.. Jesus said your father is of devil the one whos lies you believe meaning there was many things they had been decieved over by a diffrent father of abraham. the lost people of isreal where those people the one Jesus was speaking to this scripture is mixed up. I said this earlier and ill say it again Jesus died for our sins should also be interpreted as Jesus would die for anyone in the flesh who was being oppressed by evil. because many times he told us his battle was against evil.

 

[DavidTree]

nope more mixed up scripture you have to read John 1 from the beginning because First Jesus tells the Jews all the secrets of the heavens through John.

then he reasures them that he is the real God.. then the Jews tell him that they are of abraham who where Gods Chosen people.. Jesus knew who they where.. and they where not of the devil.. Jesus said your father is of devil the one whos lies you believe meaning there was many things they had been decieved over by a diffrent father of abraham. the lost people of isreal where those people the one Jesus was speaking to this scripture is mixed up. I said this earlier and ill say it again Jesus died for our sins should also be interpreted as Jesus would die for anyone in the flesh who was being oppressed by evil. because many times he told us his battle was against evil.

Gospel of John ch 1

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. (confirms John 8:43-45)

But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name,

He gave the right to become children of God—

children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. ( again confirms John 8:43-45)

 

[de-emerald]

Gospel of John ch 1

The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. (confirms John 8:43-45)

But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name,

He gave the right to become children of God—

children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. ( again confirms John 8:43-45)

Back to front again. to doubting thomas who did not believe he gave chance. to the sinner who is no longer lost but found the heavens rejoice.
for all have fallen short and every knee will bow. for God takes no pleasure in punishment of the sinner and wants all to be saved. For God so loved the world he gave his one only son that who so ever shall believe shall be saved. That who so ever means who so ever, and whom so ever when so ever. That God died for all our sins.

God went to war against satan in the flesh right in front of our very eyes means the world did not recognise him including his own because HIS own where decieved and did not recieve him...

For God came to heal the sick and bind up the broken whos generations would be wounded for ten generations, i know that you know this brother.

For satan had come to accuse Gods children day and night and to devide for satan corrupted the seed of man from the beginning. because tho the bible explains that sinners are called children of the devil does not mean they are born of his blood, its means the devil has stolen them, it also means that they are believing his lies that the father they know is the devil but they do not know. but few will figure this all out. and to the decieved who worship the beast in theese days because they think they will rein in hell is another lie to. the truth is there are two sides one is darkness and the other light, one can fall into a trap and one can be caught by a trap, the devil has many that many will fall into.. as the scriptures says oh how the mighty have fallen. and oh this should be interpretated as the elect can be decieved and possessed,, for satan entered Judas which is a clear warning to all.. and for each person should not think of them selfs more highly than others and say thank God im not like that man.

 

[DavidTree]

You are overlooking the contrasting mention of what truly defiles a person, that being if the content of the heart is evil the person is defiled.

Our Teacher stresses nothhing which physically enters the body corrupst a person, not even toxins, it is what proceeds from the heart which will.

We are not talking about being poisoned or made ill we are talking about what makes a person spiritually wicked.

All the poos and all their results will never change what God has spoken.|

Except one

There is one thing that we are not to place in our bodies.

Here is the clue = It is not food, therefore it is not covered by our Lord in Mark 7

 

[DavidTree]

Back to front again. to doubting thomas who did not believe he gave chance. to the sinner who is no longer lost but found the heavens rejoice.
for all have fallen short and every knee will bow. for God takes no pleasure in punishment of the sinner and wants all to be saved. For God so loved the world he gave his one only son that who so ever shall believe shall be saved. That who so ever means who so ever, and whom so ever when so ever. That God died for all our sins.

God went to war against satan in the flesh right in front of our very eyes means the world did not recognise him including his own because HIS own where decieved and did not recieve him...

For God came to heal the sick and bind up the broken whos generations would be wounded for ten generations, i know that you know this brother.

For satan had come to accuse Gods children day and night and to devide for satan corrupted the seed of man from the beginning. because tho the bible explains that sinners are called children of the devil does not mean they are born of his blood, its means the devil has stolen them, it also means that they are believing his lies that the father they know is the devil but they do not know. but few will figure this all out. and to the decieved who worship the beast in theese days because they think they will rein in hell is another lie to. the truth is there are two sides one is darkness and the other light, one can fall into a trap and one can be caught by a trap, the devil has many that many will fall into.. as the scriptures says oh how the mighty have fallen. and oh this should be interpretated as the elect can be decieved and possessed,, for satan entered Judas which is a clear warning to all.. and for each person should not think of them selfs more highly than others and say thank God im not like that man.

That is not what John said: you need to do a little more study on John 1 and John 8

You are speaking of other scriptures which are true. We are looking at John 1 and John 8

This is a diversion tactic for i know and embrace the scriptures of "God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked"

These and others do not change what the Lord said in John 1 and John 8

John 1 refers directly to Genesis ch1 and the Garden

 

[DavidTree]

Corrections made as my edit time ran out (hate the 5 min window = should be 15)

We started on what John said in ch1 and ch8: do a little more study on John 1 and John 8

You are speaking of other scriptures which are true. We are looking at John 1 and John 8

This is a diversion tactic. i know and embrace the scriptures of "God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked"

These and others do not change what the Lord said in John 1 and John 8

John 1 refers directly to Genesis ch1 and the Garden