Christ is God

[Nehemiah6]

Good - Now which Jersusalem and Temple are you talking about?

1. The New Jerusalem will be a heavenly body replacing the sun.
2. There will be no temple in it at that time (although there is a Sanctuary there right now).
3. God and the Lamb will be the Light of that city.
4. That light will also illuminate the earth.
5. There will be a redeemed and restored Jerusalem (Zion) on earth along with the saved nations.
6. There will be a perfect temple within that Jerusalem.

 

[DavidTree]

1. The New Jerusalem will be a heavenly body replacing the sun.
2. There will be no temple in it at that time (although there is a Sanctuary there right now).
3. God and the Lamb will be the Light of that city.
4. That light will also illuminate the earth.
5. There will be a redeemed and restored Jerusalem (Zion) on earth along with the saved nations.
6. There will be a perfect temple within that Jerusalem.

Good up to point #6 do you have a scripture for that one for me - Thank You

 

[Nehemiah6]

Good up to point #6 do you have a scripture for that one for me - Thank You

You could start with Isaiah 2.

1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Zion = Jerusalem on earth
The house of the God of Jacob (the Lord's house) = God's perfect temple in Jerusalem
Jerusalem = redeemed and restored Jerusalem
O house of Jacob = redeemed and restored Israel (the 12 tribes)
"Let us walk in the light of the Lord" = God being the light of the heavenly New Jerusalem, which will then give light to the earth (by replacing the sun)

 

[Hone]

John 1:1 "In the beginning WAS the word, & the word WAS with GOD & the word WAS GOD.
opposite of WAS ....IS.....let's read it again.
"IN the beginning IS the word,& the word IS with GOD, & the word IS GOD.....simple English
the hole that's been dug is not mine...

 

[DavidTree]

You could start with Isaiah 2.

1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Zion = Jerusalem on earth
The house of the God of Jacob (the Lord's house) = God's perfect temple in Jerusalem
Jerusalem = redeemed and restored Jerusalem
O house of Jacob = redeemed and restored Israel (the 12 tribes)
"Let us walk in the light of the Lord" = God being the light of the heavenly New Jerusalem, which will then give light to the earth (by replacing the sun)

And this will be when the Lord Returns for the 1000 year reign of Christ - Yes?

 

[TheLearner]

Hope this helps.

GOD (who becomes flesh) ......plus
MARY (who carries the flesh).....equals
JESUS (who is the flesh)

Jesus can say he was before Abraham, because he was GOD
Which is what he means when he says......"The father and I are one"
Jesus could not be in heaven before, because Mary hadn't been born

He is the great I Am.

Revelation 1:8
New Revised Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

 

[TheLearner]

OK walknlight to what part of this do you disagree to
GOD becomes flesh
MARY gives birth to Jesus....or
JESUS is the flesh of GOD....
???

Matthew 1:16
and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.


Galatians 4:4

New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition



4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,

 

[TheLearner]

Hi!

Who is Mary the mother of?

She gave birth to Jesus who is both fully God and fully Man.

Matthew 1:20
But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

 

[TheLearner]

Friendly discussion all. Daniel

 

[Hone]

Jesus was the body( flesh) that GOD, inhabited so that he could be with us.
Jesus was born of Mary, but not through Joseph (human)
Mary was the surrogate for GOD(creator)
JESUS is their offspring.......half GOD, half Mary...fully divine
hence "the father and I are one"
also "before Abraham, I AM."
He is a spirit of the father that gave Life to Jesus

 

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus was the body( flesh) that GOD, inhabited so that he could be with us,.... etc..

Hone, you have a very poor understanding of this matter. So why not take the role of a student and try to learn the truth? Your post is total nonsense.

"Jesus was the body" is not only false but heretical. Jesus of Nazareth was FULLY GOD and FULLY SINLESS MAN at one and the same time. "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" means that the eternal Word of God -- Christ -- became a Man and dwelt among men. But He had already existed as the Son of God from eternity past.

 

[MattforJesus]

John 1:1 "In the beginning WAS the word, & the word WAS with GOD & the word WAS GOD.
opposite of WAS ....IS.....let's read it again.
"IN the beginning IS the word,& the word IS with GOD, & the word IS GOD.....simple English
the hole that's been dug is not mine...

The Bible says that God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world even though it did not happen until the future.

And the prophets blood was slain from the foundation of the world even though it was in the future.

And Jesus is the beginning of creation although the man Christ Jesus was not born until the future, and Jesus as God was not created.

And all the works were finished before the foundation of the world although they were future events.

The Old Testament says Adam was created in the image of God.

The New Testament says Adam was created in the figure of Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

God already had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future which is an innocent nature in flesh.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation.

Which this can be read as,

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and that plan was already with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in flesh.

All things were created with the plan of God coming in the future in flesh and without that plan God would of not created anything He created for Jesus is the reason creation is successful, eternal life, and to judge the angels and people.

All creation hinges on Jesus Christ which is why Jesus is the beginning of creation even though the man Christ Jesus was not born until 4000 years because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened so it is the same as if the man Christ was already born in the beginning.

Which some people misinterpret John 17 to believe that when Jesus speaks of being in the beginning and having glory with the Father that He is speaking as Him being God.

But Jesus was speaking as the man Christ Jesus for He said that the saints can have that same glory and behold His glory.

Which the man Christ Jesus is speaking that the saints can have eternal life and a glorified body in heaven like Him and behold His glory as they see Him sitting on the throne in heaven.

Which the man Christ Jesus can have that glory in the beginning and be considered as being in the beginning because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.

 

[Hone]

Hone, you have a very poor understanding of this matter. So why not take the role of a student and try to learn the truth? Your post is total nonsense.

"Jesus was the body" is not only false but heretical. Jesus of Nazareth was FULLY GOD and FULLY SINLESS MAN at one and the same time. "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" means that the eternal Word of God -- Christ -- became a Man and dwelt among men. But He had already existed as the Son of God from eternity past.

your saying Jesus isn't the body of GOD

 

[Hone]

The Bible says that God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.

Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world even though it did not happen until the future.

And the prophets blood was slain from the foundation of the world even though it was in the future.

And Jesus is the beginning of creation although the man Christ Jesus was not born until the future, and Jesus as God was not created.

And all the works were finished before the foundation of the world although they were future events.

The Old Testament says Adam was created in the image of God.

The New Testament says Adam was created in the figure of Jesus.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

God already had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation and created Adam in the image that He would show up in the future which is an innocent nature in flesh.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation.

Which this can be read as,

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and that plan was already with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in flesh.

All things were created with the plan of God coming in the future in flesh and without that plan God would of not created anything He created for Jesus is the reason creation is successful, eternal life, and to judge the angels and people.

All creation hinges on Jesus Christ which is why Jesus is the beginning of creation even though the man Christ Jesus was not born until 4000 years because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened so it is the same as if the man Christ was already born in the beginning.

Which some people misinterpret John 17 to believe that when Jesus speaks of being in the beginning and having glory with the Father that He is speaking as Him being God.

But Jesus was speaking as the man Christ Jesus for He said that the saints can have that same glory and behold His glory.

Which the man Christ Jesus is speaking that the saints can have eternal life and a glorified body in heaven like Him and behold His glory as they see Him sitting on the throne in heaven.

Which the man Christ Jesus can have that glory in the beginning and be considered as being in the beginning because God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.

Just because you read something and you understand it to mean something to you doesn't make it fact
all I have provided are the facts of the birth of Jesus.
GOD came in the flesh...the name of that flesh is JESUS
MARY gave birth to JESUS
The SPIRIT of GOD entered MARY, that Union gave birth/life to JESUS.............those are the facts......what am I missing.?

 

[Hone]

If JESUS was in heaven already,... why doesn't the Bible simply say and Jesus's spirit entered her...instead it says the Holy ghost will visit Mary.....the facts are Jesus's name is never mentioned until the angel told Mary the Name and Joseph named him at birth.
If JESUS was in heaven, why did the old testament only refer to him as the Lamb...the rock...the saviour....the Messiah...the lion....not once is he referred to as JESUS.......UNTIL he is BORN
And we know the Bible as THE truth of GOD.....it would have told us JESUS was in heaven at creation standing next to his father, because it tells us everything else about him and his birth, ..mission...and death....how hard would it have been to write, "and JESUS was with his father in heaven waiting to be born"

 

[Hone]

Hone, you have a very poor understanding of this matter. So why not take the role of a student and try to learn the truth? Your post is total nonsense.

"Jesus was the body" is not only false but heretical. Jesus of Nazareth was FULLY GOD and FULLY SINLESS MAN at one and the same time. "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" means that the eternal Word of God -- Christ -- became a Man and dwelt among men. But He had already existed as the Son of God from eternity past.

again I AM judged by supposedly Christians.....
WE must be aware that Atheist's can come on this chat site as well,... just to throw disruption to the WORD, to add more confusion into the lives of Christians.......

 

[Dino246]

John 1:1 "In the beginning WAS the word, & the word WAS with GOD & the word WAS GOD.
opposite of WAS ....IS.....let's read it again.
"IN the beginning IS the word,& the word IS with GOD, & the word IS GOD.....simple English
the hole that's been dug is not mine...

The "simple English" states that "the Word" was God in the beginning. The was indicates past tense; the beginning is past tense to John, and to us. It says nothing of "is no more". Further, John wrote all this after Jesus died and resurrected; his is an informed and anointed perspective on the subject.

If you continue through to verse 14, you will see that the Word is Jesus Himself, which means that Jesus is God. The "He" of verse 2 is the Word of verse 1, as is the "him" of verse 3, and the "he" of verses 10 and 11, the "him" and "he" of verse 12, and the Word of verse 14. If you can come to another conclusion, I'd like to hear it.

 

[Hone]

The "simple English" states that "the Word" was God in the beginning. The was indicates past tense; the beginning is past tense to John, and to us. It says nothing of "is no more". Further, John wrote all this after Jesus died and resurrected; his is an informed and anointed perspective on the subject.

If you continue through to verse 14, you will see that the Word is Jesus Himself, which means that Jesus is God. The "He" of verse 2 is the Word of verse 1, as is the "him" of verse 3, and the "he" of verses 10 and 11, the "him" and "he" of verse 12, and the Word of verse 14. If you can come to another conclusion, I'd like to hear it.

yes I agree the word became Jesus, (flesh) but what was the word before it became Jesus?..............the word was GOD

 

[Dino246]

yes I agree the word became Jesus, (flesh) but what was the word before it became Jesus?..............the word was GOD

The Word is "he", not "it". "He" was with God in the beginning.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)

I the Lord do not change. (Malachi 3:6a)

 

[Hone]

The Word is "he", not "it". "He" was with God in the beginning.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)

I the Lord do not change. (Malachi 3:6a)

the verse reads "the word was GOD, meaning the word is GOD then went on to was GOD because (it) the word...became Jesus...
so the word was/in/is GOD, then became Jesus, doesn't that mean that Jesus came out of GOD?