Is There Any Future Resurrection for the Cremated?
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FAQ: Supposing some of the atoms that made my body go into making another
person's body after mine is dead and dissolved back to dust? How will God
fully restore both our bodies to life seeing as how He will have need of the
atoms of each of us to do so?
A: The chemical constitution of carbon atoms is identical; it's not as if
they're snowflakes; viz: if God needs some carbon atoms to reconstruct your
body, He could utilize carbon atoms from a Sequoia cactus and they would
work just fine without the slightest need for adjustment because every
carbon atom on earth is a precise duplicate of every other carbon atom on
earth; viz: all carbon atoms are just one kind of carbon atom, i.e. the carbon
atoms in your body are not unique.
So it isn't necessary for God to locate all your original carbon atoms in order
to reconstruct your original body; He just needs carbon atoms; and they are
very plentiful in nature: same with iron, calcium, phosphorus, sodium,
hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.
POSIT: Well; no matter because the Bible says that flesh and blood cannot
inherit the kingdom of God. (1Cor 15:50)
A: That passage is speaking of natural flesh and blood, i.e. Adam's; it isn't
speaking of Christ's; no, even though his gloried body is now supernatural, it
is still capable of dining upon ordinary food and beverage in the kingdom.
• Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.
• Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.
• Luke 22:28-30 . . However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in
my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a
covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in
my kingdom,
Seeing as how Christ's glorified body is capable of dining upon ordinary food
and beverage, they I think it's safe to conclude that its flesh and blood--
though biologically different than Adam's --is still very much human.
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FAQ: Supposing some of the atoms that made my body go into making another
person's body after mine is dead and dissolved back to dust? How will God
fully restore both our bodies to life seeing as how He will have need of the
atoms of each of us to do so?
A: The chemical constitution of carbon atoms is identical; it's not as if
they're snowflakes; viz: if God needs some carbon atoms to reconstruct your
body, He could utilize carbon atoms from a Sequoia cactus and they would
work just fine without the slightest need for adjustment because every
carbon atom on earth is a precise duplicate of every other carbon atom on
earth; viz: all carbon atoms are just one kind of carbon atom, i.e. the carbon
atoms in your body are not unique.
So it isn't necessary for God to locate all your original carbon atoms in order
to reconstruct your original body; He just needs carbon atoms; and they are
very plentiful in nature: same with iron, calcium, phosphorus, sodium,
hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.
POSIT: Well; no matter because the Bible says that flesh and blood cannot
inherit the kingdom of God. (1Cor 15:50)
A: That passage is speaking of natural flesh and blood, i.e. Adam's; it isn't
speaking of Christ's; no, even though his gloried body is now supernatural, it
is still capable of dining upon ordinary food and beverage in the kingdom.
• Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.
• Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.
• Luke 22:28-30 . . However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in
my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a
covenant with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in
my kingdom,
Seeing as how Christ's glorified body is capable of dining upon ordinary food
and beverage, they I think it's safe to conclude that its flesh and blood--
though biologically different than Adam's --is still very much human.
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AGREE
i do believe that there are subatomic particles that we cannot detect or see that only God can and identify.
Also - a play on words by God???
Adam- Atom
Adamic - Atomic
Thinking maybe - No Way Brother! Think again
"In a instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." - 1 Cor 15:52
an instant,
ἀτόμῳ (atomō) = atom
Adjective - Dative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 823: (lit: that cannot be cut), an indivisible part of time, a moment. Uncut, i.e. indivisible.
Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
OK, i'm busted - but i do love good clean laughter - but have to improve - thank you for the reminder
The Bible teaches that there will be two resurrections, one for the saved and one for the lost.
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
Notice that Paul said A resurrection, meaning single. One for the saved and for the unsaved.
Then Paul wrote this:
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
This verse indicates that every believer, from Adam on, will be in the "first resurrection".
We read about this "first resurrection" in Rev 20-
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
From these verses we read that the resurrection of the saved occurs when Christ returns at the Second Advent, and is called "the first resurrection".
v.5 also teaches that the "second resurrection" is when all the dead are gathered at the Great White Throne Judgment, in Rev 20:11-15.
So, to answer your question, saved people who were cremated, will participate in the first resurrection.
1 Cor 15:52 - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
This is a description of the "first resurrection", of the saved.
Then Paul said it this way to the Thessalonians:
1 Thess 4-
14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
This, too, is a description of the 'first resurrection", of the saved.
So, all dead saints will accompany Jesus to earth, and receive their resurrection bodies, followed then by all the living saints on earth, who will be "changed" after the dead saints receive their resurrection bodies.
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Why David, you sound like Nicodemus who wants another body made from flesh and blood. Flesh and Blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, first the physical then the spiritual body
Did i say 'flesh and blood' - nope - God has a Plan - the Resurrection - just like the FIRSTFRUIT who popped UP.
Read again my dear brother and friend - i appreciate you
The Bible teaches death initiates resurrection. And its with a new body not the old (1 Corinthians 15 kjv).
Paul teaches its instantly at death .
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
1 Thessalonians 4: 15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Prevent here means precede.
Those who die go first to heaven.
The living have to die first before they go.
Unless they're alive at Christs return then they change instantly.
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φθάνω
phthanō
fthan'-o
Apparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, that is, anticipate or precede; by extension to have arrived at: - (already) attain, come, prevent.
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Many of the inquirers that I encounter on the internet aren't naive. They
typically prefer an intelligent explanation rather than something shot from
the lip.
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Many of the inquirers that I encounter on the internet aren't naive. They
typically prefer an intelligent explanation rather than something shot from
the lip.
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How many have you encountered that aren't interested in an intelligent reply but shoot sarcasm from the hip?
Sounds like a metaphor for Reincarnation.
How does that relate to the fact God tells us the perishable, the physical, shall not inherit the imperishable? From dust we were made and unto dust we shall return. The body returns to the dust from which it sprang. The soul to the God who gave it.
exactly..Jesus saves us so that we will NOT perish
Christian burial has been around ever since rather than burning bodies as is hindu or other religious practices. I guess some people find it hard to understand the resurrection.
God can pull people from the fire, (just as some seeds can survive fire) but we shouldnt be deliberately lighting them for believers and destroying bodies.
its just many people think its a cheaper and efficent way to dispose of the dead bodies. I personally think its not, its actually quite polluting, but what do I know I am not an undertaker. I do know that there is a chance that anyones ashes are mixed up with random ashes from someone elses body and once chucked away theres little chance of relocating one bone from another or even idnentifying those ashes as someobodies bones.
In the valley of the dry bones. God cause them, all to rise up and live. At least they had their bones intact.
Christian burial has been around ever since rather than burning bodies as is hindu or other religious practices. I guess some people find it hard to understand the resurrection.
God can pull people from the fire, (just as some seeds can survive fire) but we shouldnt be deliberately lighting them for believers and destroying bodies.
its just many people think its a cheaper and efficent way to dispose of the dead bodies. I personally think its not, its actually quite polluting, but what do I know I am not an undertaker. I do know that there is a chance that anyones ashes are mixed up with random ashes from someone elses body and once chucked away theres little chance of relocating one bone from another or even idnentifying those ashes as someobodies bones.
In the valley of the dry bones. God cause them, all to rise up and live. At least they had their bones intact.
I think we are thinking God's powers are able to be stimeyed through our cremation and , if applicable, our ashes scattered.
God made the first man from dust. He can resurrect countless men and women from ashes.
He will simply create them. It is not likely atoms from one person will go into another based on facts of biology.
Only Adam was created directly by dirt.