If the Earth were flat---

[SophieT]

But isn't that inventing another theory to prop up the first theory (of heliocentrism)? I mean, we all know a day is a day, right? So why all the business of the sidereal day compared to the solar-day? But, assuming there's good reason to have two types of day (I mean, other than heliocentrism, which I hold is not a good reason)...

In Winter, as opposed to Summer, why isn't the night sky totally different? If heliocentricity is true, one is at the opposite side of the sun, facing in the opposite direction, so should see totally different constellations in the night sky. But as I understand it, one doesn't. What theory do heliocentrists invoke to explain that?

they are not in the same positions...that is relative to the earth...which, of course, is because the earth is spinning in orbit around the sun. anyone can see this if they enjoy looking at the sky (an I do).

it's like this, if I have a dog that bites everyone except me, I will think the dog is a kind dog when in reality it is not. if I believe the world is flat, I will continue to believe it no matter what anyone offers in the way of truth revealing that I am wrong

I guess that's just ruff ruff.


On the journey of our earth around the sun, which is known to last a year, not only change the seasons, but also the direction in and out of our Milky Way.

And so the sky and its visible objects are different, depending on the season.
In the summer, we can admire many clusters of galaxies (such as the Lion or the Virgin), while in winter we can admire the well-known Orion Nebula. At the zenith we have year-round Andromeda and the Hercules faithful companions.


During summer, because of the position towards

the sun and the tendency to earth, we look into the center of our Milky Way, while in the winter we look into the side branch of the Milky Way, "out" into space.
The picture on the right illustrates this schematically.
(Wallpaper: NASA / JPL-Caltechâ €? - Schemes: Own illustration)

This explains why the summer milk route is much brighter and more pronounced. Whereby, strictly speaking, we are not looking directly into the center, but rather at the imposing stardust clouds that cover the center.

While the winter milky way "only" one of the expiring spiral arms shows. In this direction, the star density is much lower. Since we can not look anywhere with the eye, in winter the sky seems "paler".

source....one of millions. the net is a big place and growing bigger all the time

 

[tourist]

If the world is flat...

Explain how some people's life consistently goes downhill? 🤔

There is this thing called gravity.

 

[Lynx]

But isn't that inventing another theory to prop up the first theory (of heliocentrism)? I mean, we all know a day is a day, right? So why all the business of the sidereal day compared to the solar-day? But, assuming there's good reason to have two types of day (I mean, other than heliocentrism, which I hold is not a good reason)...

In Winter, as opposed to Summer, why isn't the night sky totally different? If heliocentricity is true, one is at the opposite side of the sun, facing in the opposite direction, so should see totally different constellations in the night sky. But as I understand it, one doesn't. What theory do heliocentrists invoke to explain that?

What I'm saying is, the length of the day is measured by our observation of how long the day is. Whether the Earth is flat or a ball, whether it spins or remains stationary, the way we measure a day depends on how long we observe the day to be.

If the Earth is a ball spinning and revolving, revolving does not affect the spinning. Spinning is what makes the day as long as the day is.

But spinning or stationary, the day is as long as the day is because the day is as long as we have observed the day to be. It won't be affected by revolving around the Sun whether it does or does not revolve around the sun.

About the constellations, yes they do change. I have a friend who is a stargazer nut and he is constantly mentioning to me that such and such constellation is now visible in the night sky.

 

[Jase]

There is this thing called gravity.

Yes 👍......but it was a 'metaphor'.

 

[Moses_Young]

What I'm saying is, the length of the day is measured by our observation of how long the day is. Whether the Earth is flat or a ball, whether it spins or remains stationary, the way we measure a day depends on how long we observe the day to be.

If the Earth is a ball spinning and revolving, revolving does not affect the spinning. Spinning is what makes the day as long as the day is.

But spinning or stationary, the day is as long as the day is because the day is as long as we have observed the day to be. It won't be affected by revolving around the Sun whether it does or does not revolve around the sun.

About the constellations, yes they do change. I have a friend who is a stargazer nut and he is constantly mentioning to me that such and such constellation is now visible in the night sky.

The following describes an experiment, which demonstrates that between Summer and Winter, there is no movement of the Earth. It relies on the visibility of certain stars between Summer and Winter, which should be impossible, if the Earth was angled as heliocentricity requires (facing totally opposite directions).

"Take two carefully-bored metallic tubes, not less than six feet in length, and place them one yard asunder, on the opposite sides of a wooden frame, or a solid block of wood or stone: so adjust them that their centres or axes of vision shall be perfectly parallel to each other. Now, direct them to the plane of some notable fixed star, a few seconds previous to its meridian time. Let an observer be stationed at each tube and the moment the star appears in the first tube let a loud knock or other signal be given, to be repeated by the observer at the second tube when he first sees the same star. A distinct period of time will elapse between the signals given. The signals will follow each other in very rapid succession, but still, the time between is sufficient to show that the same star is not visible at the same moment by two parallel lines of sight when only one yard asunder. A slight inclination of the second tube towards the first tube would be required for the star to be seen through both tubes at the same instant. Let the tubes remain in their position for six months; at the end of which time the same observation or experiment will produce the same results--the star will be visible at the same meridian time, without the slightest alteration being required in the direction of the tubes: from which it is concluded that if the earth had moved one single yard in an orbit through space, there would at least be observed the slight inclination of the tube which the difference in position of one yard had previously required. But as no such difference in the direction of the tube is required, the conclusion is unavoidable, that in six months a given meridian upon the earth's surface does not move a single yard, and therefore, that the earth has not the slightest degree of orbital motion." -Samuel Rowbotham, "Zetetic Astronomy"

 

[Lynx]

That experimenter is nutty as a fruitcake, or at least willfully ignoring observable evidence. I'm not even an astronomer, yet even I can tell the constellations move over the seasons.

 

[Lynx]

Also, in a more facetious vein, who volunteers to mow around that pipe for 6 months? You leave it in my yard that long and I'm going to rebel. Mowing is already enough of a chore.

 

[Lynx]

Quote from a comedian I'm listening to on my day off:

I'm not big on arguments, I'm non-confrontational, so of course I feel really left out of the internet culture. We like to argue so much online that we've started recycling arguments: We're arguing again about whether the earth is flat. Yeah, we're recycling arguments from Galileo's era.

Too bad we skipped right over the witch trials. I would have enjoyed watching that happen. "Some thought her singing was TOO magical! #BurnAtTheStake"

 

[Lanolin]

I thnk some people just cant believe that there is such a thing as north and south, east and west.

I had to review a book called North and South, written for children that had to explain that when its summer in the northern hemisphere its winter in the southern hemisphere. And I thought on what planet do people not actually know this?

Children probably get confused around Christmas time if their parents are flat earthers and talk about Santa being from the North Pole, and thinking that Christmas time is always winter and snowy wherever you go.

 

[Moses_Young]

I thnk some people just cant believe that there is such a thing as north and south, east and west.

I had to review a book called North and South, written for children that had to explain that when its summer in the northern hemisphere its winter in the southern hemisphere. And I thought on what planet do people not actually know this?

Children probably get confused around Christmas time if their parents are flat earthers and talk about Santa being from the North Pole, and thinking that Christmas time is always winter and snowy wherever you go.

Flat Earthers believe in the cardinal directions. However, they believe East and West go around North as on a plane, rather than as on a sphere. South simply points aware from the central North.

 

[Lynx]

How have we been hiding the edge of the earth from tourists?

Shoot, I'm not big on trekking all the way out just to see some tourist attraction, but even I would go out to see the edge of the earth.

And it should be an edge ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WORLD... how have we been hiding this so well, for so long? The president can't even keep an extramarital affair secret.

 

[TimothyGodIsLove]

as much as I don't worship science, on this one, the scientists are correct, the earth is round because scripture says the earth is round read the following verse:
ISAIAH 40:22
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth."
scripture knew the shape of the earth long before any man.
Praise God

 

[Lynx]

Flat Earthers believe in the cardinal directions. However, they believe East and West go around North as on a plane, rather than as on a sphere. South simply points aware from the central North.

They believe? Are you one of them or not?

I think I'm starting to get a clear picture of what they believe though. They picture the Earth as a disc with the North Pole in the center, with something at the North Pole that attracts magnets, and the Antarctic is the edge of the world which is frozen to keep all the water from running off. Right?

Why is it so cold at the edge and in the center, and so hot in that ring at the middle? That's not how temperatures work. Wouldn't it be hottest at the North Pole, gradually fading out to icy cold at the edges?

Also how do you know the South Pole isn't the center of the world and the North the edges? There's a lot of icy border missing if the Antarctic is the edge of a flat world.

Also why do jets not have to keep continually correcting their course to one side to keep flying what the compass tells them is a straight line?

 

[Jase]

The only thing Flat Earthers have to fear is sphere itself!

 

[GaryA]

The only thing Flat Earthers have to fear is sphere itself!

"I have less sphere than I had when I believed in the sphere!"








(Okay - that is the best I could do in a short period of time...)

 

[RealScience]

All Flat Earthers must stop using these words:
"Atmosphere", "hemisphere", "ionosphere"... also Longitude and Lattitude which are based on a spherical concept;
And they must abandon the scientific method, measurement of time, gravity ("So why do things fall down"), the concept of "seasons", the fact that eclipses occur (they are fake), thousands of photos of the Earth from space (all fake); and the testimony of dozens of Christian Astronauts.
Deception is rife.

 

[GaryA]

I think I'm starting to get a clear picture of what they believe though. They picture the Earth as a disc with the North Pole in the center, with something at the North Pole that attracts magnets, and the Antarctic is the edge of the world which is frozen to keep all the water from running off. Right?

The 'Antarctic' ice ring/wall is not the edge of the earth.

But - yes - it 'bounds' the oceans.

The edge of the earth is hundreds if not thousands of miles beyond the ice ring/wall.

The actual shape of the outermost edge may be a circle or a square.

Based on what the Bible says, I believe it to be a square.

Why is it so cold at the edge and in the center, and so hot in that ring at the middle? That's not how temperatures work. Wouldn't it be hottest at the North Pole, gradually fading out to icy cold at the edges?

The path of the sun moves back-and-forth between the north and south 'tropic' lines during the cycle of a year.

The north center is beyond the point where the sun "turns back" to go south again - and, the same is true for the south where the sun "turns back" to go north again.

The further you go outside the cycle path of the sun, the colder it gets- more-so for the south than the north.

 

[Lynx]

All Flat Earthers must stop using these words:
"Atmosphere", "hemisphere", "ionosphere"... also Longitude and Lattitude which are based on a spherical concept;
And they must abandon the scientific method, measurement of time, gravity ("So why do things fall down"), the concept of "seasons", the fact that eclipses occur (they are fake), thousands of photos of the Earth from space (all fake); and the testimony of dozens of Christian Astronauts.
Deception is rife.

Wait, how did they fake the eclipses? A very large sheet of tin foil carried by planes?

But how did they fake them back before planes were invented? They are recorded in history.

 

[Lynx]

The 'Antarctic' ice ring/wall is not the edge of the earth.

But - yes - it 'bounds' the oceans.

The edge of the earth is hundreds if not thousands of miles beyond the ice ring/wall.

The actual shape of the outermost edge may be a circle or a square.

Based on what the Bible says, I believe it to be a square.


The path of the sun moves back-and-forth between the north and south 'tropic' lines during the cycle of a year.

The north center is beyond the point where the sun "turns back" to go south again - and, the same is true for the south where the sun "turns back" to go north again.

The further you go outside the cycle path of the sun, the colder it gets- more-so for the south than the north.

But that just gives me MORE questions...

If the sun is flying donuts over a flat earth, why is it so dark here when the sun is over Tehran? The sun is pretty far up there, and very bright. We should still be getting some light from it. Not as much as when it's right over our heads, but we should still be able to see it.

Are there walls involved in this? Is the earth more like the bottom of a bundt pan... skip that, nobody cooks any more. Is the earth more like the inside of a hollowed-out bagel or donut? We can't see the sun in Tennessee when it's over Djibouti because it's behind the column in the middle?

Don't try to tell me the sun is just too far away. It can't get THAT dark outside. The middle east and Europe aren't far enough away for the sun to be completely "dark" to us when it is over there.

 

[Lynx]

Wait, forget the hollowed-out bagel theory. We wouldn't be able to fly over the north pole, and we HAVE done that.