Vaccination?

[MatthewWestfieldUK]

I think many people care about purchasing items produced by slave labour but many cannot afford products that aren't made that way .

It's sad but the blame doesn't lie with those of us who aren't wealthy and can't afford fair trade.

Of course the enemy loves to make us feel condemned if we aren't living "perfectly" and following the commandments 100%.

Condemnation not from God.

I try and buy fairtrade and organic. But I find that it's a drum that is beat by those who can afford. Often the they push the agenda in a very negative way.
The challenge to move away from materialism is not going to be won by negativity. Showing people a happier life without so many material needs has to be done by example. It requires us to look within ourselves first. I admit my weakness and hope that others will try and be more caring about life in general. Winning hearts takes love

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Except for the fact that those with the jab can also spread the infection. If infectiousness is the measure of financial consequence, by your logic, jabbed individuals should also pay for their own PCR tests... Assuming that we accept PCR tests as a reliable means of gauging infection. These mandates do not come from a loving mind.

This is nonsensical.

Of course vaccinated people can pass the virus on. But why should they have to be tested? The vaccine should protect them so they do not have to be tested.

So you want us to be tested so we can protect you? You want protected. Go get the vaxx. Wear the mask. Social distance. Work from home. Do whatever you feel you have to do t protect yourself.

Just don’t complain if a vaxxed person gives you the virus. Thats not their fault. They did what they felt they needed to do.

 

[Gideon300]

Strange that you use evolution to make the exact same point I have been making.

The world embraces, promotes, and indoctrinates, everyone with evolution, and calls those who expose the lies of that philosophy fools, and dangerous fundamentalists.

The world embraces, promotes, and indoctrinates, everyone that the gene therapy posing as a vaccine, is the savior of people and freedom alike, and calls those who expose the lies of that philosophy fools, and dangerous to society.

You have fully, and joyfully embraced the world’s lies, and the world system.

That entity that spends day and night, 365 days a year, CONSPIRING against humanity and especially God’s Elect, is who you are blindly supporting.

mRNA does not affect the gene. Whoever told you that is either a liar or passing on a lie without bothering to check the facts. And you just repeat the lie yourself. Unbelievable.

 

[Gideon300]

Yes it's quite similar to the news stories about the court cases where people would not give their children their diabetes medication or cancer treatment. Maybe we shouldn't receive any blood transfusions like the JW's say,,,maybe we should start with the vaccines and make a list of medications and treatments that are so to speak Kosher...

Maybe we should roll over and die. I think we make things way too complicated.

I've had both divine healing and my life saved (twice) by the health care system. I believe God heals in both cases. When my heart decided to go jazzy on me, I went to hospital. Friends prayed for me. My heart rhythm went back to normal just before they went to reboot it. Last year, I had a terrible condition. I was in hospital 8 days. There is no doubt that the medical treatment saved my life. When she could visit, a friend prayed for me while the doctor was there. I avoided an operation that I was supposed to have. The doctor was amazed. She saw my friend's prayer answered as my bodily functions returned to normal.

God uses all kinds of things, natural as well as spiritual. I count my blessings and get on with life.

 

[Gideon300]

As a result of the murder of babies, the covid vaccine exists because they learned how to make vaccines not derived from fetal stem cell lines by practicing for a long time on fetal stem cells.



I judge those vaccines more harshly than the covid vaccine.

so you'd rather let millions die of preventable diseases? I'm glad you are not running the show.

 

[Jocund]

This is nonsensical.

Of course vaccinated people can pass the virus on. But why should they have to be tested? The vaccine should protect them so they do not have to be tested.

So you want us to be tested so we can protect you? You want protected. Go get the vaxx. Wear the mask. Social distance. Work from home. Do whatever you feel you have to do t protect yourself.

Just don’t complain if a vaxxed person gives you the virus. Thats not their fault. They did what they felt they needed to do.

If the vaccinate protects those with the jab, why do the unjabbed need to be tested?

Look at the literature. Masks don't work, the vaccines have uncertain protection against new strains, and efficacy of the jab against known strains fades over time. Logically, if both jabbed and unjabbed can be asymptomatically infectious, it follows that testing would not just be about "protecting the unvaccinated". Either the testing should apply to both or neither.

If someone's faith leads them to decline the jab, does that suddenly justify antipathy and callousness? If you believe PCR testing works and that you could be asymptomatically infectious despite the jab, do you care so little about that minority group that you yourself would not get tested? Your thoughts do not appear to come from a place of love.

Take a step back. Think critically on the subject. Someone has tricked you into accepting bad logic and hateful rhetoric.

 

[Jocund]

I am not the goverment. And I am not making the law. Vaccined people dont need a PCR Test anymore.

Then you agree that such a mandate isn't premised in logic or compassion. You agree with premise that this entire policy could be based on pharma companies lining their pockets by paying off politicians to push policy?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

This is nonsensical.

Of course vaccinated people can pass the virus on. But why should they have to be tested? The vaccine should protect them so they do not have to be tested.

So you want us to be tested so we can protect you? You want protected. Go get the vaxx. Wear the mask. Social distance. Work from home. Do whatever you feel you have to do t protect yourself.

Just don’t complain if a vaxxed person gives you the virus. Thats not their fault. They did what they felt they needed to do.

Why should they have to be tested?
Ask the national governments who are requiring both the jabbed & unjabbed to be tested prior to travel.
It's never been harder to travel from the UK to the USA. No changes planned until November but we don't know yet
if the jabbed will be treated any differently than the unjabbed. They might come up with a further variant to scare
us with by then. News media have been grooming the public for that since August.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the vaccinate protects those with the jab, why do the unjabbed need to be tested?

Look at the literature. Masks don't work, the vaccines have uncertain protection against new strains, and efficacy of the jab against known strains fades over time. Logically, if both jabbed and unjabbed can be asymptomatically infectious, it follows that testing would not just be about "protecting the unvaccinated". Either the testing should apply to both or neither.

If someone's faith leads them to decline the jab, does that suddenly justify antipathy and callousness? If you believe PCR testing works and that you could be asymptomatically infectious despite the jab, do you care so little about that minority group that you yourself would not get tested? Your thoughts do not appear to come from a place of love.

Take a step back. Think critically on the subject. Someone has tricked you into accepting bad logic and hateful rhetoric.

So in other words

All the vaxxed people are out of line because they protected themselves and should go get a stick shoved up their nose because people do not want to take the vaccine to protect themselves?
Oh and PS. From what I have seen, the Vaccine does work. I know three people who had the vaccine and came down with Covid and had very minimal symptoms.

These same people were high risk people and ones who should have been taken down by this virus

Stop listening to everything you hear on the fake news. And look at reality.


also. I have been close contact with 4 people who have had covid. This last one I have gotten sick. But it does not appear to be covid. While I did stay home today. Neither work or anyone I know says I should go get tested.

People need to make up their minds.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why should they have to be tested?
Ask the national governments who are requiring both the jabbed & unjabbed to be tested prior to travel.
It's never been harder to travel from the UK to the USA. No changes planned until November but we don't know yet
if the jabbed will be treated any differently than the unjabbed. They might come up with a further variant to scare
us with by then. News media have been grooming the public for that since August.

Personally I do not think anyone should have to be tested. Unless you want to.

There is a vaccine out. If people do not want to get it. thats fine. But why should everyone suffer because they do not want to get it?

Its time for the government to back off. It has been politicized thanks to the left. And in my view the right is not doing much better with all its anti vacc stuff.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then you agree that such a mandate isn't premised in logic or compassion. You agree with premise that this entire policy could be based on pharma companies lining their pockets by paying off politicians to push policy?

Lining their pockets. By giving free vaccines...(even if the govt is giving them some money, which I am sure they are, its nothigh like what they could get by charging for each vaccine)

smh

 

[Aidan1]

Then you agree that such a mandate isn't premised in logic or compassion. You agree with premise that this entire policy could be based on pharma companies lining their pockets by paying off politicians to push policy?

No I dont agree. One side has goverment the responsibility to protect the citizens. Otherside have the citizens not the right to misuse the protection from the government.
F.e. the social system. The vaccines are there for to protect the people so good as possible. If people reject this, they have to bear the consequences.
That in case of the vaccines the pharmaindustrie makes profit is normal in the worldbuissenessystem we have. They bear the risk and have to invest.
And which politicans are bought from the pharma or not. You fond Black sheeps everyway, even amonog christianity, but they are called Wolfes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I dont agree. One side has goverment the responsibility to protect the citizens. Otherside have the citizens not the right to misuse the protection from the government.
F.e. the social system. The vaccines are there for to protect the people so good as possible. If people reject this, they have to bear the consequences.
That in case of the vaccines the pharmaindustrie makes profit is normal in the worldbuissenessystem we have. They bear the risk and have to invest.
And which politicans are bought from the pharma or not. You fond Black sheeps everyway, even amonog christianity, but they are called Wolfes.

I think people forget. The reason medicine is so good in the united states is because of the money spent on it.

There is a reason everyone comes to the US for treatment, we have the best doctors. the best medicines. and the offer the best hope.

While I think they take it to far and I think it should be cheaper, Take the money away and you will see how quickly our healthcare system tanks.

 

[Runningman]

so you'd rather let millions die of preventable diseases? I'm glad you are not running the show.

Your suggestion that the only option is to let people die is dishonest. It's also an attempt to demonize me. Shame on you.

 

[CS1]

Why should they have to be tested?
Ask the national governments who are requiring both the jabbed & unjabbed to be tested prior to travel.
It's never been harder to travel from the UK to the USA. No changes planned until November but we don't know yet
if the jabbed will be treated any differently than the unjabbed. They might come up with a further variant to scare
us with by then. News media have been grooming the public for that since August.

since December of 2019

 

[Runningman]

I think many people care about purchasing items produced by slave labour but many cannot afford products that aren't made that way .

It's sad but the blame doesn't lie with those of us who aren't wealthy and can't afford fair trade.

Of course the enemy loves to make us feel condemned if we aren't living "perfectly" and following the commandments 100%.

Condemnation not from God.

Having a conscience seared with a hot iron doesn't imply someone is condemned. It means they have a corrupt heart and many people, including Christians, are corrupt.

Imagine purchasing products from slave labor, child labor, or vaccines from murdered babies and having no regrets or remorse. I think that's a startling reality of the human condition.

Don't worry, God is merciful and wanting to help us. After all, God sent His Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but to save the world.

 

[Runningman]

The Opposition comes automaticly. As you see how people treat the vaccination.
From a tool for help till a devils Tool.
The politcians have to make deceisions. In the best way for the benefit of their citizienz.
They have always Opposition. Dosnt matter what they deceide.

In the US, politicians and the news media are often viewed with a highly critical and suspicious eye. Why? Because they lie very often. If they suddenly tell the truth it isn't readily detected.

Politics are much more polarized here as left and right are almost perfect opposites. By the way, roughly half of the USA completely disagrees with the other half. No exaggeration.

Protest is part of the American culture. Sometimes that's helpful, sometimes it's not helpful.

 

[iamsoandso]

Maybe we should roll over and die. I think we make things way too complicated.

I've had both divine healing and my life saved (twice) by the health care system. I believe God heals in both cases. When my heart decided to go jazzy on me, I went to hospital. Friends prayed for me. My heart rhythm went back to normal just before they went to reboot it. Last year, I had a terrible condition. I was in hospital 8 days. There is no doubt that the medical treatment saved my life. When she could visit, a friend prayed for me while the doctor was there. I avoided an operation that I was supposed to have. The doctor was amazed. She saw my friend's prayer answered as my bodily functions returned to normal.

God uses all kinds of things, natural as well as spiritual. I count my blessings and get on with life.

I do believe in the power of prayer(I wanted to say that first) that's not what I was meaning in the post you quoted though...

Were debating vaccine/no vaccine and so the issue is we don't want C-19 in our body and/or were afraid of getting the mrna vaccines in our body(one of the two). Now they say that the mrna isn't in our blood, that most of it stays in the muscle where it was injected. It then goes to our lymph glands/nodes and it stimulates an antibody response and white blood cells. These then seek out the cells in our body and kill the infected cells and it is then removed as waste. They test the wastewater for C-19 and know where hot spots are and that people in lower floors can be infected by those with positive/C19. I live in Texas so I'll use it as an example. The waste water from Dallas/Fort worth area goes into the Trinity river and then travels downhill to the Houston area and is diverted twice(two canals) into Houston and is their water supply and for bottled water. https://www.texastribune.org/2013/10/16/reused-wastewater-key-trinity-rivers-survival/ https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/surveillance/wastewater-surveillance/testing-methods.html

Now again they say the vaccine is not in the blood but there is no process of marking blood donations for vaccinated/un vaccinated anyway. Now some request blood if needed from (Un vaccinated doner's) but all blood is from vaccinated or Un-vaccinated and not marked separately meaning that if you need a blood transfusion you could be receiving blood from a vaccinated doner. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...t-blood-transfusions-from-unvaccinated-donors but they say that there's no routine testing done for C-19,MRNA ect. in donated blood anyway https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-...egarding-covid-19-pandemic-and-blood-donation So it's(C-19 and vaccine) in the wastewater/sewage because it's being carried by our blood to be flushed out,,,,but it's not in our blood? ,,,lol

So to my point of an list of medicines we would see as "Kosher" we should consider "in who's eyes" because we all drink the same water(wastewater.lol) and if we need blood then what's in it would be what we would get. If we say "no vaccine" eventually we will realize it's in our water which is why we are told not to flush medicines down the toilet. But again if we say no to the vaccine in disagreement then the cancer drugs contain graphene oxide also,,,and they tested the same way on fetal cells with medicine for diabetes,high blood pressure ect. so in essence the vaccine is just the first drug on the list and it will get longer and longer.

 

[AandW]

You guys are never right about anything:

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/country/ukraine/

We said it was not Pfizer!


This comes from your own Article:


1 Vaccine in Clinical Trials in Ukraine

• Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)
  Ad26.COV2.S
  • 
    
  • 
    
  • 
    
• This vaccine is approved.
  Approved in 66 countries
  10 trials in 16 countries

Your OWN Article claims it is J&J, not Pfizer!

 

[JohnDB]

We said it was not Pfizer!


This comes from your own Article:


1 Vaccine in Clinical Trials in Ukraine

• Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)
  Ad26.COV2.S
  • 
    
  • 
    
  • 
    
• This vaccine is approved.
  Approved in 66 countries
  10 trials in 16 countries

Your OWN Article claims it is J&J, not Pfizer!

You are confusing him with the truth.... you know that he can't concentrate with things like that thrown at him....