How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Yes, and God has this covered and He directed hearts to translate His word for us - He loves us.
He knows what He is doing and if we obey Him by "not adding or taking away from His words" we will have Peace and Understanding.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so My ways are higher than your ways
and My thoughts than your thoughts.
For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
and do not return without watering the earth,
making it bud and sprout,
and providing seed to sow and food to eat,
so My word that proceeds from My mouth
will not return to Me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please,
and it will prosper where I send it.
Isaiah 55
The obedience to His Word brings the prosperity of the Holy Spirit into our hearts and minds.
He knows what He is doing and if we obey Him by "not adding or taking away from His words" we will have Peace and Understanding.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so My ways are higher than your ways
and My thoughts than your thoughts.
For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
and do not return without watering the earth,
making it bud and sprout,
and providing seed to sow and food to eat,
so My word that proceeds from My mouth
will not return to Me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please,
and it will prosper where I send it.
Isaiah 55
The obedience to His Word brings the prosperity of the Holy Spirit into our hearts and minds.
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Do you think he knows what it is like to understand perfectly that Daniel 9:24-27 is not talking about a future 7-year "tribulation period" where an antichrist figure makes a deal with Israel and then breaks it, etc., etc., etc.?
The whole of 'pre-trib' rests upon a severe misinterpretation of those 4 verses.
The whole of 'pre-trib' rests upon a severe misinterpretation of those 4 verses.
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Matt 24:29-31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!
Revelation ch20
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’
30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!
Revelation ch20
it is funny because Jesus was well before John Darby, and Hal Lindsey.
Jesus said in John chapter 14:1-3
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
When the rapture happens is debated but the truth of it happening is normative in orthodox Christianity.
I think some believe you have to be a battered bride to be saved. The OSAS speak about talks about unconditional grace yet you must go through the Tribulation to be saved. explain that one.
There has always been tribulation but the one coming will be Jesus " For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. ". Matthew 24:21.
Jesus said in John chapter 14:1-3
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
When the rapture happens is debated but the truth of it happening is normative in orthodox Christianity.
I think some believe you have to be a battered bride to be saved. The OSAS speak about talks about unconditional grace yet you must go through the Tribulation to be saved. explain that one.
There has always been tribulation but the one coming will be Jesus " For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. ". Matthew 24:21.
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Did you even bother to read that? Jesus clearly states "I will come again" so he is on the Earth and then he says, "and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you also may be also." The location is still Earth! He didn't say he would take anyone to Heaven did he? This proves pre-trib is wrong. It's no accident you guys errantly post it without understanding what it actually says. Very typical for premill.
The timing of the rapture and when it happens is not debated in Scripture.
We are given the EXACT time when it will occur.
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord,
we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
The Resurrection only occurs at His Coming. And His Coming is as He said in Matthew 24
No rapture until the RESURRECTION at HIS COMING.
Do not believe anything other then this - whoever says different is in error.
We are given the EXACT time when it will occur.
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord,
we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
The Resurrection only occurs at His Coming. And His Coming is as He said in Matthew 24
No rapture until the RESURRECTION at HIS COMING.
Do not believe anything other then this - whoever says different is in error.
Christ went and prepared a place for them just as He said and then He came back to them just as He said.
Here is the Place He prepared for them and all who believe:
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
This is the fulfillment of His Prayer in John 17
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am,
Here is the Place He prepared for them and all who believe:
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
This is the fulfillment of His Prayer in John 17
“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am,
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You mean the one we see taking place in Rev11:11 at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe" time-slot?? [re: the "2W"]
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/11-11.htm
[1Cor15:23 (re: resurrection) "but EACH [a word meaning 'of more than two'] in his own ORDER / RANK"]
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/11-11.htm
[1Cor15:23 (re: resurrection) "but EACH [a word meaning 'of more than two'] in his own ORDER / RANK"]
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Those were the Two Witnesses who are on special assigment from the Lord - just as we see in OT - Enoch and Elijah being 'taken' before death. God has a plan for these two faithful ones.
The Lord raised Lazarus before His death and resurrection - special assignment.
When the Lord was resurrected, others were resurrected with Him to fulfill Prophecy.
Your dead shall live;
Together with [my dead body they shall arise. Isaiah 27:19
When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
Revelation is a special revealing that can only be deciphered by the Holy Spirit and Scripture which it was built upon.
Your pre-trib error will never get it right because it changes Scripture and meanings and Order.
The Lord raised Lazarus before His death and resurrection - special assignment.
When the Lord was resurrected, others were resurrected with Him to fulfill Prophecy.
Your dead shall live;
Together with [my dead body they shall arise. Isaiah 27:19
When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit. At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
Revelation is a special revealing that can only be deciphered by the Holy Spirit and Scripture which it was built upon.
Your pre-trib error will never get it right because it changes Scripture and meanings and Order.