Obedient Woman
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In what way is Genesis 3:16 "key" for you?
It is a statement of certain consequence. Many people read it as a command, but that doesn't fit the context or the statement itself. God did not "command" Adam to eat of the sweat of his brow and or to fight thorns and thistles for his crops; He stated that is what would certainly happen as a result of sin. Similarly, as a result of sin, women would have greater pain in childbirth and men would rule over them. There isn't a single (other) place in Scripture where a command is given to someone other than the person whose action is constrained by the command. If God wanted husbands/men to rule over wives/women, He would have told Adam to rule over her. He didn't.
It is a statement of certain consequence. Many people read it as a command, but that doesn't fit the context or the statement itself. God did not "command" Adam to eat of the sweat of his brow and or to fight thorns and thistles for his crops; He stated that is what would certainly happen as a result of sin. Similarly, as a result of sin, women would have greater pain in childbirth and men would rule over them. There isn't a single (other) place in Scripture where a command is given to someone other than the person whose action is constrained by the command. If God wanted husbands/men to rule over wives/women, He would have told Adam to rule over her. He didn't.
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it’s a result of the curse of sin he warned them first then they transgressed and thre curse resulted as he warned
it’s the same thing with Israel’s covenant he warned them first they transgressed and the curses he promised resulted from thier sin
Christ is taking mankind back to a place without sin or It’s curse where a man and his wife are one
it’s the same thing with Israel’s covenant he warned them first they transgressed and the curses he promised resulted from thier sin
Christ is taking mankind back to a place without sin or It’s curse where a man and his wife are one
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amen totally agree and found that well said . they were also some of his most loyal disciples and Mary was the first sent by Jesus to preach of his resurrection and ascension to the throne
I don’t think our gender makes any difference to God since Christ came to teach us the truth.
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
John 20:17 KJV
that’s really the first bit of revelation sent by Jesus to his disciples
I don’t think our gender makes any difference to God since Christ came to teach us the truth.
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
John 20:17 KJV
that’s really the first bit of revelation sent by Jesus to his disciples
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• Eph 5:22 . .Wives, submit to your husbands as to The Lord.
"as to the Lord" probably means that women ought to revere their husbands
with the same degree of courtesy, civility, and respect that they would give
Christ were he their spouse.
The Greek word for "submit" in this verse is the very same for submit in Eph
5:21, and never means that wives take orders from their husbands as if
marriage were a totalitarian arrangement.
What we're talking about here is deference rather than obedience. An
attitude of deference is mandatory for Christians on both sides of the gender
aisle-- both men and women.
Deference is agreeable, approachable, tactful, and diplomatic. Deference
isn't confrontational, demanding, assertive, militant, dominating, nor always
clamoring "I am woman! Hear me roar!"
In a nutshell: deference is just the opposite of rivaly. Christian women
striving for equality with men have not yet learned with it means to
submit to a husband as they would to Christ.
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• Eph 5:22 . .Wives, submit to your husbands as to The Lord.
"as to the Lord" probably means that women ought to revere their husbands
with the same degree of courtesy, civility, and respect that they would give
Christ were he their spouse.
The Greek word for "submit" in this verse is the very same for submit in Eph
5:21, and never means that wives take orders from their husbands as if
marriage were a totalitarian arrangement.
What we're talking about here is deference rather than obedience. An
attitude of deference is mandatory for Christians on both sides of the gender
aisle-- both men and women.
Deference is agreeable, approachable, tactful, and diplomatic. Deference
isn't confrontational, demanding, assertive, militant, dominating, nor always
clamoring "I am woman! Hear me roar!"
In a nutshell: deference is just the opposite of rivaly. Christian women
striving for equality with men have not yet learned with it means to
submit to a husband as they would to Christ.
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• 1Pet 3:7b . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel,
The Greek word for "honor" is time (tee-may') which means: a value, i.e.
money paid.
The word for "weaker" is asthenes (as-then-ace') which means: having no
strength, i.e. fragile.
And the word for "vessel" is skeuos (skyoo'-os) which can indicate anything
from a soup bowl to a cardboard box; in other words: a container.
Peter isn't saying women are physically weaker than men; but that Christian
husbands should exercise the same care with their wives as they would a
fragile antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, a Ming vase. Nobody in
their right mind handles a Ming vase like a farmer handles a 5-gallon bucket.
Not that some women couldn't take that kind of handling; it's just that its
unbecoming for a Christian man to lack sensitivity for his wife's feelings.
This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved
value either; but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ
commands Christian husbands to categorize their wives up there with
Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female cop and/or a UFC mixed
martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a choice; no, it's
not a choice; it's an order.
Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with
more care and concern than they treat their wives can just forget about
associating with God on any meaningful level.
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• 1Pet 3:7b . . Give honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel,
The Greek word for "honor" is time (tee-may') which means: a value, i.e.
money paid.
The word for "weaker" is asthenes (as-then-ace') which means: having no
strength, i.e. fragile.
And the word for "vessel" is skeuos (skyoo'-os) which can indicate anything
from a soup bowl to a cardboard box; in other words: a container.
Peter isn't saying women are physically weaker than men; but that Christian
husbands should exercise the same care with their wives as they would a
fragile antique worth thousands of dollars like, say, a Ming vase. Nobody in
their right mind handles a Ming vase like a farmer handles a 5-gallon bucket.
Not that some women couldn't take that kind of handling; it's just that its
unbecoming for a Christian man to lack sensitivity for his wife's feelings.
This particular assessed value isn't an intrinsic value, nor is it a deserved
value either; but rather, it's a gratuitous value. In other words: Christ
commands Christian husbands to categorize their wives up there with
Dresden china even if she's as tough as a female cop and/or a UFC mixed
martial artist the likes of Rhonda Rousey-- and this is not a choice; no, it's
not a choice; it's an order.
Christian husbands who treat their Skil saws and their tomato plants with
more care and concern than they treat their wives can just forget about
associating with God on any meaningful level.
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He's trolling for chicks at Johnson's School for the Mute
LOL, good luck with finding a woman that will give up her right to challenge you when she does not agree. 
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I think it should be pointed out that this whole thing about women's submission is referring to Spiritual matters. The husband is to be the Spiritual/Christian leader of the family...............It does not truly refer to physical. I know this because in Biblical days, women often were the money earners, property owners, and were responsible for seeing that the physical aspects of the family ran smoothly.
One might ALSO REMEMBER it was the WOMEN who provided the financial support for the Ministry of Jesus!
One might ALSO REMEMBER it was the WOMEN who provided the financial support for the Ministry of Jesus!
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• Eph 5:23-24 . . For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the
head of the church, his body, of which he is the savior. Now as the church
submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in
everything.
Christians, no less, have tried to circumvent that requirement by quoting
Paul to refute Paul; for example Gal 3:26-28
But if we were to make Gal 3:26-28 a rule in family affairs; then Christian
marriages would be same-sex unions; and that, to say the least, is quite
unacceptable.
Though both husband and wife are equals as believers, and equally Christ's
subjects, they are definitely not equals as man and wife though they be one
flesh; just as Christ and his Father are not equals though they be one God.
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• Eph 5:23-24 . . For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the
head of the church, his body, of which he is the savior. Now as the church
submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in
everything.
Christians, no less, have tried to circumvent that requirement by quoting
Paul to refute Paul; for example Gal 3:26-28
But if we were to make Gal 3:26-28 a rule in family affairs; then Christian
marriages would be same-sex unions; and that, to say the least, is quite
unacceptable.
Though both husband and wife are equals as believers, and equally Christ's
subjects, they are definitely not equals as man and wife though they be one
flesh; just as Christ and his Father are not equals though they be one God.
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