Vaccination?

[shittim]

You do realize the Treaty of Tripoli, is a TRUE Document signed in 1797, by a FOUNDING FATHER PRESIDENT who MADE into LAW:
Treaty of Tripoli in 1797: Article 11 | Study.com
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'As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

in these last of the last days there will be all manner of war against truth.
Wallbuilders has thousands of original documents from the period clearly showing we were founded as a Christian nation.
https://wallbuilders.com/the-founders-as-christians/

 

[AandW]

in these last of the last days there will be all manner of war against truth.
Wallbuilders has thousands of original documents from the period clearly showing we were founded as a Christian nation.
https://wallbuilders.com/the-founders-as-christians/

Do you believe the Treaty of Tripoli is FAKE?

It's a TRUE America's agreement with the MIDDLE EAST in 1797 that America is not Jew Land [Yahweh]

 

[shittim]

Do you believe the Treaty of Tripoli is FAKE?

It's a TRUE America's agreement with the MIDDLE EAST in 1797 that America is not Jew Land [Yahweh]

do you think thousands of original documents are fake?

 

[shittim]

 

[AandW]

do you think thousands of original documents are fake?

It's only 235 years old, it's not ancient.

Do you have a clue?

We've had a Library keeping Documents since Day One. America's Documents are More Preserved than anyone else.

 

[shittim]

apparently you do not

 

[AandW]

I can't believe you are this uneducated!

 

[AandW]

It's a real true Document that happened in 1797.
We have it [DISPLAYED] in the Library of Congress.
It is REAL!

You can take a Vacation Day and go see it!

 

[shittim]

JoanieMarie-
Dennis Prager has done and is doing much to bring truth to these troubled times.
I appreciate your posts and look forward to your contributions.
blessings
David Barton/WallBuilders
19 hours ago

2 Thessalonians, chapter 2 warns us of the “strong delusion” of deceit and lawlessness before the impending coming of Jesus Christ. The warning that the love of the truth is under attack. You have to know the truth, to love the truth. We must cause our efforts to find the truth, courageously defend the truth, and tell others of the truth. The absolute truth is our Lord Jesus, says I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.

 

[joaniemarie]

See me that way if you like, I cared a lot about USA and the west, not long ago. Too much. Became angry at the very stupidity, and downright evil and selfdestructive politics you are angry about. But something changed in me, got some sort of a strength and calm, then I started reading the bible without getting any of the nonsense news and politics for 3 months. And then I was no longer angry about politics. Much better. If I prayed I could perhaps pray, but praying for a country seems weird to me. It became clear to me that we are one nation under God, christian people. So the nationstate thing is a bit over for my part, emotionally. But can conversate about it legally and agree.

The time on earth is a time of suffering and tests before we die in the flesh, and are reborn into heaven in spirit. That is the salvation, is it not? It is what the bible is about, it is what we should have learned from Jesus days on earth. If you disagree, I do not know what to tell you.

While I agree with you because something changed with me too about America. I watched the leaders in America begin dumping our once cherished values of law and order., fairness and freedom giving into rotten socialism soon to enter into the cesspool of ungodly communism.

But I will not dump America and what it has stood for since it's inception. Our constitution and good society NEEDS moral and law loving people. Used to be our country had some of those.

Now we have allowed crooks to teach our children in public schools. We've allowed evil crooks to "live" in offices that were once used for and by good men and women in our counties, cities, states and country representing us in Washington. I believe with God and God's people fighting from a place of victory there is hope. America has been the leader in sending out the Gospel to all the nations. I don't believe God is going to let America fall yet.

I totally disagree with your opinions about our time as believers on earth and what THAT'S about. Suffering and tests before we die in the flesh and are reborn into heaven in the spirit? No... it's much more than that. satan is the one who steals kills and destroys NOT God.


John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

Ephesians 3:20
Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,

If a man or woman has Jesus we ARE BORN AGAIN NOW. We are NOW new creations and are called to walk by faith and not by sight... NOW. We HAVE the Holy Spirit in us to teach us. Jesus said He came to give us life and that more abundantly. Jesus didn't say I give you life so you can be miserable and suffer.

We can have JOY and the PEACE that passes all understanding NOW because it's a supernatural peace that enters into our every day lives lifting us OUT from among the dead....when we were once in darkness we are NOW in the light so we need to recon it to be so and WALK IN THE LIGHT. Not like those who have NO hope because they have no Jesus.

Maybe you don't know what to say to me but I know what to say to you and others who misrepresent who we ARE IN CHRIST NOW. The sad part is many of us don't know who we are IN Christ and allow the enemy to steal from us... even to our very lives ... let alone our countries.
Jesus is the One who paid for our victory. He is the One who did all the paying. Now we by faith walk out the salvation HE secured for us. We are called to walk OUT our salvation in all seriousness and all faith in believing. It's not US who will fight it is HE who has already won. Now we by faith work that victory OUT in our daily lives. Sorry to say we live in a world with millions of unsaved and evil men and women who will fight until Jesus comes. But that does not change the fact that the victory is won... our job is to accept it by faith and work from a position of VICTORY.

 

[joaniemarie]

JoanieMarie-
Dennis Prager has done and is doing much to bring truth to these troubled times.
I appreciate your posts and look forward to your contributions.
blessings
David Barton/WallBuilders
19 hours ago

2 Thessalonians, chapter 2 warns us of the “strong delusion” of deceit and lawlessness before the impending coming of Jesus Christ. The warning that the love of the truth is under attack. You have to know the truth, to love the truth. We must cause our efforts to find the truth, courageously defend the truth, and tell others of the truth. The absolute truth is our Lord Jesus, says I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE.

Totally agree with you about Dennis Prager. His organization is a very helpful one in these troubled times. I appreciate your posts as well here shittim and look forward to the things you have to offer here. I can't tell you have many Christians are angry at what Prager has to offer on Youtube. It stuns me to read how Christians although they don't have to totally agree they don't have to side with the unbelievers who hate God and His people.

YES it's about STRONG DELUSION.... it's infiltrated America at an alarming rate over the last 5 years IMO especially. Family and friends who once agreed are on opposite sides. Some actually seeking to turn in their own brothers and sisters in Christ!! Only God's Holy Spirit can cause a change of mind as God's people "repent" (change their minds) and agree instead with the truth and not the lie that the enemy is their Christian family, their mothers and fathers and sisters brothers aunts and uncles, co workers and long time friends. .

 

[shittim]

There you go again joaniemarie, posting with such excellance there can be nothing added that would improve. We are to let the indwelling Christ out so He can work and be seen in us, walking in His victorious power and authority.
I am finding no better or more powerful way than to pray without ceasing in the divine prayer language. Asking for dreams at night when we can continue to commune with Him and learn His ways. Seeking divine encounters, and He ALWAYS gives them so we can be His hands and feet to do His will.
Bless you in Jesus name.

 

[AandW]

Article 11 is where it is listed at: America's Government [is not] Founded upon Christianity Religion:

 

[shittim]

I was taking this in just this morning, the ministry of jglm.org is the most Biblical that I know of and here he touches on theclassic military manuever that divides churchs, christians and all, focusing on people and events and not Christ. Hope you enjoy and are edified.
bless you,

 

[AandW]

I thought you people [DON'T] trust the Government?

I am showing you reasons how the Leaders of the USA have been lying to those under them since the Founding Fathers created the USA Government.

The very reason in how the Government of America is [[not]] Founded by Christ Principles is the VERY Reason it still cannot be trusted.


But, DONALD TRUMP, whom we ALL VOTED FOR, is the ONE WHO WAS PRESIDENT when this VACCINE was made.
I don't think Trump's Presidency would allow a BOGUS Vaccine!

 

[mindfulzen]

While I agree with you because something changed with me too about America. I watched the leaders in America begin dumping our once cherished values of law and order., fairness and freedom giving into rotten socialism soon to enter into the cesspool of ungodly communism.

But I will not dump America and what it has stood for since it's inception. Our constitution and good society NEEDS moral and law loving people. Used to be our country had some of those.

Now we have allowed crooks to teach our children in public schools. We've allowed evil crooks to "live" in offices that were once used for and by good men and women in our counties, cities, states and country representing us in Washington. I believe with God and God's people fighting from a place of victory there is hope. America has been the leader in sending out the Gospel to all the nations. I don't believe God is going to let America fall yet.

I totally disagree with your opinions about our time as believers on earth and what THAT'S about. Suffering and tests before we die in the flesh and are reborn into heaven in the spirit? No... it's much more than that. satan is the one who steals kills and destroys NOT God.


John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.

Ephesians 3:20
Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,

If a man or woman has Jesus we ARE BORN AGAIN NOW. We are NOW new creations and are called to walk by faith and not by sight... NOW. We HAVE the Holy Spirit in us to teach us. Jesus said He came to give us life and that more abundantly. Jesus didn't say I give you life so you can be miserable and suffer.

We can have JOY and the PEACE that passes all understanding NOW because it's a supernatural peace that enters into our every day lives lifting us OUT from among the dead....when we were once in darkness we are NOW in the light so we need to recon it to be so and WALK IN THE LIGHT. Not like those who have NO hope because they have no Jesus.

Maybe you don't know what to say to me but I know what to say to you and others who misrepresent who we ARE IN CHRIST NOW. The sad part is many of us don't know who we are IN Christ and allow the enemy to steal from us... even to our very lives ... let alone our countries.
Jesus is the One who paid for our victory. He is the One who did all the paying. Now we by faith walk out the salvation HE secured for us. We are called to walk OUT our salvation in all seriousness and all faith in believing. It's not US who will fight it is HE who has already won. Now we by faith work that victory OUT in our daily lives. Sorry to say we live in a world with millions of unsaved and evil men and women who will fight until Jesus comes. But that does not change the fact that the victory is won... our job is to accept it by faith and work from a position of VICTORY.

Fact remains, life tends to be leathal, few live forever on earth, in anybody has eternal life on earth, they sure kept it a secret to me and the news. So death is just something we have to reconsile with, should be no biggy if the holy spirit has marked you. Suffering in your life, that is up to each of us, riling yourself up about politics is suffering. I am done with that, only talk about it calmly, logical and legally, do not get emotional about it. People are generally not well informed, most often misinformed, so end the search for such knowledge, because pretty soon you have nobody to have an intelligent conversation about that stuff, and you end up preaching politics, laws, and other irrelevant knowledge, to folks who cannot comprehend it.

I said my piece about salvation, and that Jesus points to God. You can stop there if you like, I do not stop there. And I did not start there. I am saving those stories for christmas. Argue and suffer if you like, I am done with that, I act like Jesus instead, just state some facts and it is up to others if they can take them, if they want to argue, I just walk away. And I will let enemies crucify me if they wish, that is the lesson. Not being angry if people attack you is the lesson. Personal and politically, if people disagree with you on politics, I would advice you to not get angry about it and hate them, that is not how Jesus acted. If you lose an election, let it be, you cannot change anything about that, yelling at others do not help. If they mess up schools, join a schoolboard or get involved, or let it be.

ps. Please do not strawman my faith. You misrepresented me a bit, wrong assumptions on several points. Do not attribute what has not been freely afforded you. You will get no emotional argument about it. I just state that I was misrepresented. I hope this is informative enough

 

[shittim]

joaniemarie- I hope you took in the jglm teaching, he really brought out how the devil works to distract, worldly cares, health, politics, jobs, the economy, etc, are all worldly cares the devil uses to take our focus off Jesus.
I like to keep a picture of Him in the picture frame of my mind, there is no room for anyone or anything else as I keep my mind "stayed on Him", as we are COMMANDED to do.
bless you sister

 

[MattforJesus]

Agree., I believe NOTHING this government and our so called republican representatives puts out there anymore. I hear republicans right along with the democrats making sure they let EVERYONE know they are vaccinated as if this is some sort of badge or "proof" they are not anti-vaccine kooks.

These politicians do not represent me or millions of other Americans who are appalled at how republicans turned on all of us in November. Our votes were stolen and our country has been losing ever since. The biden regime has continued down the path of doing just what they please without repercussions just as they have always done until President Trump came on the scene. Only now it's off the charts.

Million of illegals are crossing once closed and secured boarders now wide open because of the biden regime allowing all hell to break lose on us. The so called republicans do nothing but sit in Congress arguing with each other about asinine subjects like the green new deal. The news shows have these republicans on and have discussions about the unfairness of it all but none of these politicians do ANYTHING.

As far as I'm concerned President Trump was the ONLY man who pulled people and republicans together in Washington. He forced lazy rotten politicians with his bold straightforward approach with the American public to do the job of representing the American people., He called them out for their political thievery against taxpayers., Trump caused the crooks in Washington to be seen for what they are....Lazy selfish greedy thieves stealing from the American people.

Only God can save America., the last country on earth that stood for freedom and democracy. It's still amazing to read people on this thread to defend any of these rotten politicians AND to get on board with them against their fellow Americans about forcing us to get this deadly vaccine.

A lot of people may not believe this but Republican and Democrat are working together which is the Hegel System.

To bring all people together as one they set up 2 opposing forces for it gets everyone involved for they will choose a side and then eventually they come together and it brings all the people together with a balance between both parties democracy and socialism.

On the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one.

Russia and America were also set up as 2 opposing forces.

The one world government will be a balance between democracy and socialism and cater to all the people.

America, religious, higher power, spiritual.

Russia, atheist.

New Age movement, atheist but spiritual, higher power the God of forces which they believe the universe has a conscience, and the biggest prophet of the new age movement wrote a book Consciousness of the Atom.

They are going to balance out all the beliefs people have to bring them together.

This is the purpose America was set up for to bring the nations together as one.

Republican and Democrat have been working together the whole time to eventually harmonize all the people, and it also throws people off that there can be a plan because of the opposing beliefs.

The Hegel System sets up 2 opposing forces and then causes them to come together which they believe is a better system than either one alone.

The best of Russia and America in one system with both beliefs of democracy and socialism being portrayed, and both beliefs of atheism and spirituality both being portrayed.

America only allowed us to prosper for it was all part of the plan but they had it all planned out ahead of time.

New age interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution and that is the interpretation they are following now.

That is why they took prayer out of school and started teaching evolution although they used some other reason for why they did it.

 

[Sipsey]

Article 11 is where it is listed at: America's Government [is not] Founded upon Christianity Religion:

Taken completely on its own, I would argue that article 11 does, in fact, establish that the United States is not a Christian government. However, and any respectable academic would agree, you cannot simply look at one piece of evidence to try and establish a historical (or any other) fact. In history, you must look at evidence that is contradictory in order to gain a more precise understanding of context. Take, for example, this 1798 proclamation from President John Adams, who was president when the Treaty of Tripoli was ratified, which states,

“[T]he safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety without which social happiness can not [sic] exist nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed.”​

 

[OIC1965]

I believe people should prayerfully research the benefits and risks of the vaccine and do what they fell in their heart is right, seeking guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I have mixed feelings about the vaccine. I have been considering getting one for weeks, but the fact that it does not always prevent you from getting COVID, does not always prevent spread of COVID, the fact that it is basically an experimental drug, the fact that there have been very harmful, even fatal side effects, the fact that the government and the media lie to us incessantly, the fact that EVERYTHING is a symptom of COVID, etc. the fact that the government practically acts like the vac offers little to no protection at all if you get the poke many things cause me to pause.

I think what’s bad is the division this is causing. And part of me thinks that this is a way to make those who are unvaccinated a scapegoat for future COVID spikes. If I could trust the statistics that are put out there, I wouldn’t be so skeptical, but I caught the government and media in too many lies the past several years.

I will probably get the poke eventually. But not because I get guilted into it. Logically, if others have the vac they should be safe. The fact that the government is acting like the pokes accomplish almost nothing is interesting.