What do you think about works?

[Icedaisey]

because we are not Christ [T r u t h] it can be difficult to hear the truth [about many matters.... in various ways]. the more like T r u t h we become or truly have wanted to very much in the past or present...... the more God is able to reveal to us. "as a man thinketh, so he is"


"but grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ".

Refusing to hear

The anti-gospel is Satanic. Remember that.

You have to remember the enemy of The Word is here. This world is prowled by its lord, like into a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.
His power over death was destroyed on the cross. That doesn't mean he gave up.
And he has disciples just as Jesus does.

 

[SophieT]

The christian world we living in today doesn’t seem to understand what type of works this is. It’s starts off with repentance, that’s one of the first thing Jesus says when he got started in his ministry, Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. When people see works in the Bible spoken by Paul and they see law, being put together, they assume that’s talking about the Royal law (Commandments). The works of the law was nail to the cross, and that works were animal sacrificial laws.

Let’s first take a look at this law that was nail to the cross that Paul explains in Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins.

ok. got it now

you are here to teach us all.

unless you are omnipotent, you really have no clue what everyone here thinks, so don't make that mistake

we are not saved because we keep commandments. we are saved because we believe in Jesus

there are people here who will agree with you, but most will not

we are not ignorant of the word of God or those who seem to always want to add to salvation... with works

 

[BroTan]

pretty much. but after that, we renew our minds according to the word of God...there is nothing we can do to earn salvation and no work will get or keep us saved

God is the one who keeps us...and no one can take us out of His hand. or do you have to work to hang on to Him?

this is what happens when someone studies with preconceived ideas and goes about finding verses they think proves their point

if we are in Christ, we are no longer condemned. Jesus fulfilled all that was required to gain our salvation

and here you are, telling us that we must keep all the commandments...disregarding the fact no one has ever done that and that is the reason God sent His Son in the first place

notice I am not saying this means we can sin. no one is saying that

I understand what you saying but Jesus says in Jesus say in John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Let’s see who else you have to love, Jesus says in Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; People complain about the way the world is and won’t change themselves, to do the will of God. Pay attention to what Jesus says in Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. And that sword is the Word of God.

 

[Cabrillo]

is it not by the Spirit we grow, and by the Law we are grounded/accountable ?

Yes however some folks seem to prefer to worship the written law because they are out of touch with the spirit of the law.

 

[Blik]

That’s your problem
your trying to do it in the flesh. If your own power. That’s why you won’t give up the law because it’s all about toy
I am being perfected in Christ. It’s not work. Or me. It’s Christ working in me

Your judgment is that "I am trying to do it in the flesh". That would say that it is your judgment that I have not accepted Christ within me. That judgment is something only God can do. If you set yourself up as a god, you make yourself into an idol for only God is God. Idols have demons.

I agree with you that it is through Christ that we live. We give ourselves over to faith in all that Christ is and all Christ tells us to do. Faith doesn't stop with the mind, it is a living faith we have. It shows in our life when we have faith. It s through the law and the holy spirit that helps us understand that we know the ways of Christ. Christ obeyed the law perfectly, Christ within helps us obey.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul says in Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. This law is the Ten Commandments

God gave moses the ten commands written on stone, in fact he had to give it twice.

look what pauls called these tablets

2 cor 3: And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the [a]Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Glory of the New Covenant
7 But if the ministry of death, written andengraved on stone was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains ismuch more glorious.

the ten commands are ministers of deatjh. Because of we keep the whole law and stumble in one point. We are guilty

breaking any of the ten is still sin. But they were given to condemn not to teach us how to be good. They were not given for that purpose

 

[Blik]

Yes however some folks seem to prefer to worship the written law because they are out of touch with the spirit of the law.

You can obey the letter of the written law and disobey the spirit of the law, but how can you obey the spirit of the law while disobeying the law in stone?

The law in stone was given by our holy perfect God and God is truth. The law in our hearts is much more accurate and better, but it does not cancel the law in stone. That stone law is put in our hearts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your judgment is that "I am trying to do it in the flesh". That would say that it is your judgment that I have not accepted Christ within me. That judgment is something only God can do. If you set yourself up as a god, you make yourself into an idol for only God is God. Idols have demons.

I agree with you that it is through Christ that we live. We give ourselves over to faith in all that Christ is and all Christ tells us to do. Faith doesn't stop with the mind, it is a living faith we have. It shows in our life when we have faith. It s through the law and the holy spirit that helps us understand that we know the ways of Christ. Christ obeyed the law perfectly, Christ within helps us obey.

I am not the one pushing a law that no one but christ ever fulfilled. You are

the example you gave me was you wanting me to do it by my own power. You need to stop lying to yourself. You keep saying you are not saying this or that. Yet you are..

that is why you can‘t be believed.. you say one thing then deny you said it.

 

[Cabrillo]

You can obey the letter of the written law and disobey the spirit of the law, but how can you obey the spirit of the law while disobeying the law in stone?

The law in stone was given by our holy perfect God and God is truth. The law in our hearts is much more accurate and better, but it does not cancel the law in stone. That stone law is put in our hearts.

Only if we truly are circumcised of the heart.

 

[BroTan]

ok. got it now

you are here to teach us all.

unless you are omnipotent, you really have no clue what everyone here thinks, so don't make that mistake

we are not saved because we keep commandments. we are saved because we believe in Jesus

there are people here who will agree with you, but most will not

we are not ignorant of the word of God or those who seem to always want to add to salvation... with works

All I'm doing is fellowshipping and we can't ignore others scriptures in the book. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All I'm doing is fellowshipping and we can't ignore others scriptures in the book. Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

So I pray you look to your own sins and judge yourself and are not trying to judge other.

we need to give them the gospel not judge them, for we are not clean ourselves unless the blood of christ washes ur sins

remember, jesus did not come to judge he came to save, I hope that is your mission also.

 

[Cabrillo]

I am not the one pushing a law that no ine but christ ever fulfilled. You are

the example you gave me was you wanting me to do it by my own power. You need to stop lying to yourself. You keep saying you are not saying this or that. Yet you are..

that is why you can;t be believed.. you say one thing then deny you said it.

IMO. The law is perfect. We are not. Jesus didn't die for the law. He died for us to save us from the curse of the law.

 

[Blik]

. But they were given to condemn not to teach us how to be good. They were not given for that urpose

That is not what scripture tells us. Scripture gives many ways we are to use the law, not just one or two. We are not to add to or TAKE AWAY any of scripture. All must be put in our hearts, not taking away any scripture.

The law condemns us, that is one important use of the law but it is not the only way we are to use it.

 

[Cabrillo]

That is not what scripture tells us. Scripture gives many ways we are to use the law, not just one or two. We are not to add to or TAKE AWAY any of scripture. All must be put in our hearts, not taking away any scripture.

The law condemns us, that is one important use of the law but it is not the only way we are to use it.

The law also teaches us kindness, generosity, humility and meekness.

 

[Hone]

no

we are not accountable to the law and it is not our teacher

my conviction is that all believers should familiarize themselves with the OT as it makes a foundation for the new, but we are not judged by the law if we are believers. in fact, we are no longer under condemnation

I will add that at times, this is misunderstood to mean we think we can sin with no effect, but that is not what is being said and not what anyone thinks. if someone believes that, they are deceived

the Holy Spirit is our teacher according to the NT and we are new creatures in Christ

much of the NT letters were written to correct error and one of the worst errors, was attempting to mix the law and belief in Christ

by the Law we understand sin, by following the Law we hold sin out of our lives, by keeping the parables of Christ we keep them out.

 

[rayzor]

yea yea the law condemneds = old testament and the letter kills = new testament..but the spirit give grace.

 

[BroTan]

God gave moses the ten commands written on stone, in fact he had to give it twice.

look what pauls called these tablets

2 cor 3: And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the [a]Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Glory of the New Covenant
7 But if the ministry of death, written andengraved on stone was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains ismuch more glorious.

the ten commands are ministers of deatjh. Because of we keep the whole law and stumble in one point. We are guilty

breaking any of the ten is still sin. But they were given to condemn not to teach us how to be good. They were not given for that purpose

I agree with the text, but with out the Ten Commandments how can you receive that glory. Jesus said in (Matt. 19:16-17) (v.16) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? That’s what we are all trying to obtain correct, eternal life? (v.17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Now if you want to enter into eternal life you must keep the commandments. Sounds like a little work to me.

 

[BroTan]

So I pray you look to your own sins and judge yourself and are not trying to judge other.

we need to give them the gospel not judge them, for we are not clean ourselves unless the blood of christ washes ur sins

remember, jesus did not come to judge he came to save, I hope that is your mission also.

I don't judge people I'm not here for that. I'm just fellowshipping posting book. Actually what I'm doing is loving people. Showing people and giving people a different out look on the word of God, is suppose to be good. It's all coming from the same book.
Paul says in Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. This is a life time journey brothers and sisters, you must maintain good works to the end. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:17).

 

[Hone]

Have you sacrificed a cow for your sin? Have you attended the temple three times in the last year? Have you sought a priest to examine a pimple and pronounce it "clean"? Have you stoned the adulterers, thieves, and idolators in your midst?

I doubt it.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the Book of the Law."

You are accountable to the law? You're hooped (and yes, that's a euphemism).

if we break 1 commandment, are we not held accountable, is it Christian to envy your neighbours lifestyle, falsify documents or your words, is it ok to take money out of your mum's purse, or dads car without asking.... "Cursed is everyone who DOES NOT continue to do EVERYTHING written in the book of the Law".... does John not say in Revelations, the dragon makes war with the woman's seed, those who keep the commandments of GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,.... The saints keep the commandment of GOD and the faith of Christ.....Now unless I'm mistaken, aren't the Commandments and the Law the same thing ?

 

[rayzor]

yap yap Paul said labor to enter his rest...and I count not my crown obtained.