Vaccination?

[Ogom]

Israeli Case Study Shows Natural Immunity 27x More Effective than Vax

An Israeli case study conducted by researchers at top Ivy League universities appeared to confirm that natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccines at preventing symptomatic transmission of the deadly coronavirus.

“This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant,” they wrote, according to medRxiv.




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The researchers seemed determined to assert the need for additional COVID-19 boosters, arguing that the experimental shots have a diminishing return.

But according to Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff, the research debunked the arguments for vaccine mandates.

“Prior COVID disease (many working class) provides better immunity than vaccines (many professionals), so vaccine mandates are not only scientific nonsense, they are also discriminatory and unethical,” Kulldorff wrote Twitter, according to Red Voice Media.

His argument reinforced recent statistical evidence that the vaccine mandates, supported by the Biden administration and many blue-state governors, may be racist, since the majority of “vaccine hesitant” individuals in the US were black or Latino.

The research from the Israeli cases first emerged last week. It is unclear whether it pertains to a specific vaccine or more broadly to any of the experimental vaccines available, which, by and large, have yet to be fully cleared by the Food and Drug Administration.

However, it comes as questions begin to grow about the lack of available autopsies for US fatalities diagnosed with COVID-19, and a British study showed that for those 50 and older, 68% of those admitted to the hospital with serious COVID symptoms had received two vaccine jabs.

Israeli numbers likewise supported the research, showing 59% of those 50 and older who showed serious symptoms had already been double-vaccinated, wrote Dr. Joseph Mercola for Based Underground.


https://headlineusa.com/harvard-natural-immunity-27-vax/

 

[JTB]

You are free to take all the vaccines and booster shots you like., you and your family are free to do so based on your own personal experiences and personal health issues. But seeking to virtue signal any and all who disagree with you is pathetic. There is absolutely NO virtue in that. So wear your mask and get your vaccines and take care of your business.

In light of your virtue signaling maybe you should also talk to people who decide to over eat and are in the hospitals because of their own poor health choices that effect other people and cause insurance rates to go up..

Maybe you should also talk to diabetics who refuse to take their insulin eating whatever they want and having their limbs amputated? Causing hospital staff to treat them even when some staff who think like you could be treating people who they "agree" with in life about your personal morally and politics instead.....????

Maybe you should also advocate with your virtue signaling to refuse healthcare to alcoholics and aids patients and others treated in our hospitals for their life style choices that cause insurance rates to go up and are a danger to hospital staff and others in society?

If you want to follow your poor logic through to the end., you will see many other people will suffer for yours and others personal virtue signaling.

There's something called the Hippocratic Oath that physicians take that outlines the duties and responsibilities of the health care are sworn to give to their patients.. I'm GRATEFUL to say (that for now) your opinions on virtue do not count. But you're not alone, the biden regime is on your side.

Virtue signaling ... that's funny

It's also funny how much conservatives negatively ascribe to others what they themselves are doing.

Altho perhaps I'd rather virtue signal than stomp my feet selfishly about "my rights".

Oh and I didn't vote for Biden. Don't care for the geezer or his liberal policies. But if you were listening to hear instead of respond you'd know that already.

 

[JohnDB]

Dude, they were my own family members.
I have to face children, parents, real people over what very well the Covid they had that killed them was a good 75% chance from ME!

WOW...
I don't completely know how you feel but I do understand the guilt. Just know that they do love you...

And my brother in law's fiance did the very same thing with his parents...they didn't die but it does look like my FIL (breadwinner, sole support) is going to be permanently disabled because of her infecting them.
But in the meantime I now get the role of favorite in law.

 

[JohnDB]

Israeli Case Study Shows Natural Immunity 27x More Effective than Vax

An Israeli case study conducted by researchers at top Ivy League universities appeared to confirm that natural immunity was 27 times more effective than vaccines at preventing symptomatic transmission of the deadly coronavirus.

“This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant,” they wrote, according to medRxiv.




...article continued below
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The researchers seemed determined to assert the need for additional COVID-19 boosters, arguing that the experimental shots have a diminishing return.

But according to Harvard epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff, the research debunked the arguments for vaccine mandates.

“Prior COVID disease (many working class) provides better immunity than vaccines (many professionals), so vaccine mandates are not only scientific nonsense, they are also discriminatory and unethical,” Kulldorff wrote Twitter, according to Red Voice Media.

His argument reinforced recent statistical evidence that the vaccine mandates, supported by the Biden administration and many blue-state governors, may be racist, since the majority of “vaccine hesitant” individuals in the US were black or Latino.

The research from the Israeli cases first emerged last week. It is unclear whether it pertains to a specific vaccine or more broadly to any of the experimental vaccines available, which, by and large, have yet to be fully cleared by the Food and Drug Administration.

However, it comes as questions begin to grow about the lack of available autopsies for US fatalities diagnosed with COVID-19, and a British study showed that for those 50 and older, 68% of those admitted to the hospital with serious COVID symptoms had received two vaccine jabs.

Israeli numbers likewise supported the research, showing 59% of those 50 and older who showed serious symptoms had already been double-vaccinated, wrote Dr. Joseph Mercola for Based Underground.

The science still shows that the virus is considerably more dangerous for those ages 65 and older, meaning that vaccines may remain the best available option for those in the higher risk category.


https://headlineusa.com/harvard-natural-immunity-27-vax/

More fake science....just a different one repeating the same faked science.

 

[JTB]

Dude, they were my own family members.
I have to face children, parents, real people over what very well the Covid they had that killed them was a good 75% chance from ME!

The problem is you think other people matter to the deniers. Nope. It's all about THEM.

Funny again ... me-me-me was originally a liberal teaching - which despite their hatred of all things liberal, has been heartily embraced by conservatives.

 

[AandW]

WOW...
I don't completely know how you feel but I do understand the guilt. Just know that they do love you...

And my brother in law's fiance did the very same thing with his parents...they didn't die but it does look like my FIL (breadwinner, sole support) is going to be permanently disabled because of her infecting them.
But in the meantime I now get the role of favorite in law.

It's one of the Reasons I sat down with God and discussed before choosing to be Vaccinated.

 

[JohnDB]

The problem is you think other people matter to the deniers. Nope. It's all about THEM.

Funny again ... me-me-me was originally a liberal teaching - which despite their hatred of all things liberal, has been heartily embraced by conservatives.

Conservatives are usually the more selfish of the two major parties.

Not always but generally speaking.

 

[AandW]

The problem is you think other people matter to the deniers. Nope. It's all about THEM.

Funny again ... me-me-me was originally a liberal teaching - which despite their hatred of all things liberal, has been heartily embraced by conservatives.

In general, most Liberal's I know in time will eventually reveal they are literally Bat flippin Crazy.
But they do seem to have good intentions and speak a good game of Unity.
And just sometimes, there are Moments, where the Liberals do the [Right Thing].
When that happens, it's been my experience to consider their actions for my own.

 

[Ogom]

this study has been investigated and been proven to be.....

definitely need to study more on this maybe..... heard about this today. a study out of Israel they said on a talk show, so I looked it up. another scary thing I had heard about somewhat recently is about the infected in Israel,


“Covid-19 cases in Israel have been rising sharply since July despite the high vaccination rate. New daily cases in the country reached an all-time high of 12,113 on August 24, surpassing the January peak of 11,934.”

This situation is confirmed by a piece on NPR:

“Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world’s highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.”

And here is an account from an Israeli news outlet:

“The country has one of the world’s highest COVID-19 vaccination levels, with about 78 percent of those ages 12 and older fully vaccinated, mostly with the Pfizer vaccine. At the same time, Israel now has one of the highest infection rates in the world…” [emphasis added]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09...ard-data-from-israel-reveals-vaccine-failure/


but it sounds like your mind is closed on this kind of thing? the only way to learn truth is to keep a somewhat open mind...... on many subjects ......

 

[John146]

More fake science....just a different one repeating the same faked science.

The only real science comes from the cdc right? The same group who believes there's 67 genders.

 

[JohnDB]

The only real science comes from the cdc right? The same group who believes there's 67 genders.

Where on earth are you getting this 67 genders crap from?

And no .. real science is not solely found at the CDC. It's actually done in a variety of places and verified and duplicated by others not affiliated or related.

Israel itself is often NOT a source for medical advancement...
Just like Harvard university is Not a reliable source either. (I know...but their pay is one of the worst and requires the highest percentage of the grants awarded leaving the researchers with nothing...so they produce a lot of results that no one is able to replicate)

Once upon a time under Saddam Hussein Iraq actually had some good Science. (Totally threw me when I discovered that) he was a monster but had some great scientist researchers. (They had to run to the USA when things fell apart)

Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee and anywhere but Berkeley in California have great research teams. It gets Shakey when it's in Europe... Germany and Switzerland have been having some good bits...so has those from Shanghai china...just don't expect it to stay secret. (Part of the game)

 

[JohnDB]

definitely need to study more on this maybe..... heard about this today. a study out of Israel they said on a talk show, so I looked it up. another scary thing I had heard about somewhat recently is about the infected in Israel,


“Covid-19 cases in Israel have been rising sharply since July despite the high vaccination rate. New daily cases in the country reached an all-time high of 12,113 on August 24, surpassing the January peak of 11,934.”

This situation is confirmed by a piece on NPR:

“Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world’s highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.”

And here is an account from an Israeli news outlet:

“The country has one of the world’s highest COVID-19 vaccination levels, with about 78 percent of those ages 12 and older fully vaccinated, mostly with the Pfizer vaccine. At the same time, Israel now has one of the highest infection rates in the world…” [emphasis added]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09...ard-data-from-israel-reveals-vaccine-failure/


but it sounds like your mind is closed on this kind of thing? the only way to learn truth is to keep a somewhat open mind...... on many subjects ......

See the post just above.

 

[SophieT]

If more people were about their own self, they would be concerned to not hurt someone else.
The Vaccination for many keeps them from hurting others.
Is that wrong to be [selfish] and be Vaccinated to choose to protect Others?

you have posted some very unscientific renderings for someone who supposedly is all about science

please do not make me compare intelligence to broadcasting the lies of the left

 

[SophieT]

Some people are claiming that the mRNA vaccines are made with Satan Blood...

it would be helpful if you could point us to that particular post

unless you just made that up?

nevertheless, it would be interesting to see who said that

 

[EnglishChick]

people sickness don't work that way.......puny gentile minds i tell .....

Wow...there is neither jew nor gentile in christ. We are one.

 

[EnglishChick]

As Christians we need to do the best we can to take best care of our bodies that are the temple of the Lord, God dwells in us.

Vaccine isn't working. It is up to us to insist on food that isn't processed. According to men who work with this, it is the best way to handle this threat.

And up to us to ensure that the poor have access to good food. I could not vote for a party which does not support a decent living wage and a welfare system for those who are sick, elderly or disabled.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Conservatives are usually the more selfish of the two major parties.

A survey on charitable giving was done not too long ago, and it was the conservatives (not political parties but people) who gave more unselfishly! So-called liberals talk a good game, but their entire ideology is based on destruction. Destroy lives, destroy families, destroy economies, destroy countries. We are seeing it right before our eyes. Take abortion as one glaring example. The Leftists have made abortion into a religion. Planned Parenthood has received billions to kill babies. In turn they contribute to the political campaigns of the Leftists. All they need now is an idol of Moloch to bow down and worship. And to bring it up to date it should be an idol of COVID-Moloch (Corona Devi is already in India).

 

[EnglishChick]

OK....and I've actually thought about that. If some really and truly do have a mental state that it would harm them....then to force a vaccination could actually cause them stress, worry, tension and anxiety.....perhaps even causing a heart attack. So is it fair to put such people under duress?

the y would be able to claim a medical exemption in that case

 

[John146]

And up to us to ensure that the poor have access to good food.

And jobs...if you don’t work, you don’t eat. If they are physically capable, they should work for their food. Stop the government handouts.

 

[JohnDB]

it would be helpful if you could point us to that particular post

unless you just made that up?

nevertheless, it would be interesting to see who said that

He has Posted in this thread several pages back.