Florida's "Baker Act" - and more Feb. 2021 6-year-old Florida girl "traumatized" after being involuntarily sent to mental health facility

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Icedaisey

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6-year-old Florida girl "traumatized" after being involuntarily sent to mental health facility



And now for New York and August 2021:
More People Could Be Involuntarily Committed To Mental Health Facilities Under Proposal From State Lawmaker
"Rep. Steve Eliason, R-Sandy, said he plans to introduce a bill to make it easier for mentally ill people to be involuntarily committed to a mental health facility and to codify rights for those people.
Right now, people who are determined to be a danger to themselves or others can be put into a mental health facility — against their will — for an initial period of 24 hours.

...Eliason said this is meant to help people whose mental disorder keeps them from understanding that they are sick. "


More people?
Imagine the possibilities. In this PC society someone can be accused of sexual harassment while at work if they compliment a coworker, and the coworker complains to HR.

Imagine the ramifications of a law like what is proposed in New York. Someone gets angry on the subway, or on the street in Manhattan. Must be mental illness.

And also, don't forget the "red flag laws" What are "red flag" laws, and which states have implemented them? - CBS News

Florida and New York, among other states, have these in place now.
How do you disarm a nation slowly?

Much like the Plandemic currently in place. How do you institute a new world order and get over 7 billion people to comply with the transition?


 

Genipher

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Eek. So when the unvaccinated are deemed a danger to themselves and others...😲
 

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Eek. So when the unvaccinated are deemed a danger to themselves and others...😲
They don't know that they are sick. It is only for those who are deemed to be a danger to themselves and others, like those who refuse to get vaccinated.
 

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They don't know that they are sick. It is only for those who are deemed to be a danger to themselves and others, like those who refuse to get vaccinated.
Isn't that what I said? 🤔
 
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Eek. So when the unvaccinated are deemed a danger to themselves and others...😲
everything seems to be setting off a three alarm fire bell these days. this does not have to be one

this is not a new act and they are not going to be hauling off unvaccinatged people by the millions. that is nonsense

What is the Baker Act

The Florida Mental Health Act, commonly known as the Baker Act, enables loved ones or others to request emergency mental health services for a person who cannot or will not request help for themselves. Emergency services may include voluntary admission to a hospital or other receiving facility, or if the person cannot understand the severity of their condition, involuntary admission.

Legislators enacted the Baker Act to intercede on behalf of a person suffering from a mental illness who may cause harm to themselves or another but is not willing to seek treatment. Maxine Baker, a former Florida state representative, sponsored the Act, which was passed in 1971. Most states have enacted legislation similar to the Baker Act, but each state has its own name for its specific legislation.

Under What Circumstances is a Person Subject to the Baker Act?
The Florida statute states that a person may be transported to an approved receiving facility for involuntary examination if they meet all the following criteria:

  • They are mentally or emotionally impaired to the extent they cannot control their own actions or understand reality. This does not include substance abuse impairment or developmental disability.
  • They have refused voluntary examination, or, because of a mental illness, they cannot understand that an examination is necessary.
  • Without treatment, they may suffer personal neglect or may cause harm to themselves or others.
Refer to the Statute or a summary of the Statute for additional details.

How Does the Process Work?
The Baker Act encourages individuals to seek voluntary mental health help. However, if an individual is not open to voluntary treatment for a severe mental health crisis, family members, health professionals, law enforcement or others can ask the circuit court for an involuntary mental health examination.

Ordered by Court

A loved one or others can petition the Circuit Court to issue an ex parte order, which is an involuntary examination. If a judge grants the order, a law enforcement officer enforces the ruling by taking the person into custody and transporting them to the nearest receiving facility.


click the title for the rest of the article on the law..whichc has nothing to do with covid. that's NONSENSE
 

Genipher

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I thought the point was so good it was worth repeating.
Oh. Thanks. I'm getting tired and thought maybe I was unclear or something. 😆
 

Genipher

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everything seems to be setting off a three alarm fire bell these days. this does not have to be one

this is not a new act and they are not going to be hauling off unvaccinatged people by the millions. that is nonsense

What is the Baker Act

The Florida Mental Health Act, commonly known as the Baker Act, enables loved ones or others to request emergency mental health services for a person who cannot or will not request help for themselves. Emergency services may include voluntary admission to a hospital or other receiving facility, or if the person cannot understand the severity of their condition, involuntary admission.

Legislators enacted the Baker Act to intercede on behalf of a person suffering from a mental illness who may cause harm to themselves or another but is not willing to seek treatment. Maxine Baker, a former Florida state representative, sponsored the Act, which was passed in 1971. Most states have enacted legislation similar to the Baker Act, but each state has its own name for its specific legislation.

Under What Circumstances is a Person Subject to the Baker Act?
The Florida statute states that a person may be transported to an approved receiving facility for involuntary examination if they meet all the following criteria:

  • They are mentally or emotionally impaired to the extent they cannot control their own actions or understand reality. This does not include substance abuse impairment or developmental disability.
  • They have refused voluntary examination, or, because of a mental illness, they cannot understand that an examination is necessary.
  • Without treatment, they may suffer personal neglect or may cause harm to themselves or others.
Refer to the Statute or a summary of the Statute for additional details.

How Does the Process Work?
The Baker Act encourages individuals to seek voluntary mental health help. However, if an individual is not open to voluntary treatment for a severe mental health crisis, family members, health professionals, law enforcement or others can ask the circuit court for an involuntary mental health examination.

Ordered by Court

A loved one or others can petition the Circuit Court to issue an ex parte order, which is an involuntary examination. If a judge grants the order, a law enforcement officer enforces the ruling by taking the person into custody and transporting them to the nearest receiving facility.


click the title for the rest of the article on the law..whichc has nothing to do with covid. that's NONSENSE
I thought it WAS a new act? Eliason wants to introduce A NEW bill to add to the already existing one on this issue, right? Which means the definition of mental health can, potentially, be "rewritten" (as many definitions seem to be these days) to include those that aren't vaccinated.
 
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I thought it WAS a new act? Eliason wants to introduce A NEW bill to add to the already existing one on this issue, right? Which means the definition of mental health can, potentially, be "rewritten" (as many definitions seem to be these days) to include those that aren't vaccinated.
did u read it?

Under Eliason’s bill, people who can’t provide for their basic needs because of a mental health issue could also be committed. The legislation would allow them to be committed for up to 72 hours, instead of the current 24 hour maximum.

Eliason said this is meant to help people whose mental disorder keeps them from understanding that they are sick. This is most commonly associated with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

“So they have an opportunity to gain insight into their illness and realize, ‘Hey, this is manageable and treatable if I continue on my treatment plan,’” he said. “If we have a little greater opportunity to help some of the most severely ill in our state … these individuals don’t have to be institutionalized in a jail and can step back into our communities with proper treatment.”

He said he also wants to make sure people who have been committed have rights like using a phone or talking to an attorney. However, he does not want to include the right to refuse medication or treatment, like some other states have.
 
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I'm tired. thought this was funny tho...



actually the first one is me when we are out and my husband wants to know what I would like to eat and I mention a few things and he consistently drives past every place I could get what it is I wanted. seriously. all. the. time. my favorite thing to eat when out has become 'I don't care'. works better that way

I only watch highly recommended conspiracy videos and then I remember why I don't watch those types of things
 

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Eek. So when the unvaccinated are deemed a danger to themselves and others...😲
:confused:One possibility. America has been in a state of emergency since


August 5, 2014
'Empty' Prisons Dotting the USA

In the late 90's an Economist was interviewed to ascertain their projections for the coming millennium.

Among all that he said, two points stick with me.
He referred to individuals who are, as he put it, because others did also, the rich white men behind the curtain. Only he said they were actually a global conglomerate of sorts who set the path for not just the worlds economy but also societal constructs and government.

The platform of axis and allies for instance achieve an end goal through mutual consent. Prosperity, manipulation and control of the populace, population management, and of course wealth management through thinly disguised indentured servitude of the lesser classes who sustain the global elite.

This conglomerate does not plan and manage its properties,the worlds people, in time frames of a few years, but in frames of generations, centuries, and millenniums.

A stacked progressive 3-level game of chess.

Lastly,according to his projections from a perspective of the mid-90's, shortly after the start of the new millennium will see the end if the middle class. There will only be two classes of people's. The haves and the have nots.

Now, it all appears to be unfolding as he predicted.

(The following gathering convened in the early stages of the global pandemic)
"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"
Rex van Schalkwyk opening remarks
Chairman of the FMF (Free Market Foundation) Rule of Law Board of Advisors and a former judge of the Supreme Court of South Africa, Rex van Schalkwyk, delivers opening remarks at an FMF roundtable.

Personally, I think this what some call The Great Reset, is what the aforementioned economist was forewarning given his experience and the available data at that time.

I also think that is why our American election was manipulated so to put a Communist into the Presidency.

“Equality and equity are not the same thing,”

"Equality is not enough because “not everybody’s starting out from the same place.”

“Equitable treatment means we all end up at the same place,” Kamala Harris
Source:
On Sunday, Kamala Harris called for literal communism
By M. Dowling
November 2, 2020




Remember when some public schools made news for doing away with the traditional grading system. Pass or fail, A,B,C,F?
And they also did away with finish placement in athletic competition? This predicated on the idea grading and sports finish places negatively impacted children's self esteem, among other reasons.

That as long as everyone did the work, or finished the sport, they were all winners?
I think that was the beginning of soft Communism entering into America. Though it could have been earlier.

And at about the same time as those policies took hold in those tax payer funded public schools, we started to hear and experience the effects of a new social construct; Political Correctness.

Interestingly, our 14th Amendment can be a launching point for Communism.

Should make for an interesting future.
 

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did u read it?

Under Eliason’s bill, people who can’t provide for their basic needs because of a mental health issue could also be committed. The legislation would allow them to be committed for up to 72 hours, instead of the current 24 hour maximum.

Eliason said this is meant to help people whose mental disorder keeps them from understanding that they are sick. This is most commonly associated with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

“So they have an opportunity to gain insight into their illness and realize, ‘Hey, this is manageable and treatable if I continue on my treatment plan,’” he said. “If we have a little greater opportunity to help some of the most severely ill in our state … these individuals don’t have to be institutionalized in a jail and can step back into our communities with proper treatment.”

He said he also wants to make sure people who have been committed have rights like using a phone or talking to an attorney. However, he does not want to include the right to refuse medication or treatment, like some other states have.
However, he does not want to include the right to refuse medication or treatment, like some other states have.
 

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did u read it?

Under Eliason’s bill, people who can’t provide for their basic needs because of a mental health issue could also be committed. The legislation would allow them to be committed for up to 72 hours, instead of the current 24 hour maximum.

Eliason said this is meant to help people whose mental disorder keeps them from understanding that they are sick. This is most commonly associated with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

“So they have an opportunity to gain insight into their illness and realize, ‘Hey, this is manageable and treatable if I continue on my treatment plan,’” he said. “If we have a little greater opportunity to help some of the most severely ill in our state … these individuals don’t have to be institutionalized in a jail and can step back into our communities with proper treatment.”

He said he also wants to make sure people who have been committed have rights like using a phone or talking to an attorney. However, he does not want to include the right to refuse medication or treatment, like some other states have.
Who decides what "basic needs" means? It could be determined that the vaccine is a "basic need" and that those that don't take it aren't understanding that they are sick. I stand by my argument that it could be POSSIBLE that this bill could be used against antivaxxers.
 
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Who decides what "basic needs" means? It could be determined that the vaccine is a "basic need" and that those that don't take it aren't understanding that they are sick. I stand by my argument that it could be POSSIBLE that this bill could be used against antivaxxers.
you are free to believe that as that was the intent of the op and I guess someone had to bite

we are not to fear and there was no good reason for this op other than your reaction

I know you will not like me saying that and I'm sorry about that

end of discussion for me and I am leaving the thread.
 

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Under What Circumstances is a Person Subject to the Baker Act?
The Baker was the one who was executed for treason against Pharaoh.
 

Icedaisey

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I thought it WAS a new act? Eliason wants to introduce A NEW bill to add to the already existing one on this issue, right? Which means the definition of mental health can, potentially, be "rewritten" (as many definitions seem to be these days) to include those that aren't vaccinated.
This bill is new in that it seeks to make changes to the original 1971 BA statute entitled "The Florida Mental Health Act"

The Baker Act is said to be one of the mist dysfunctional acts in the Florida system.

Attorneys Educated on New Changes to the Baker Acting of Children and Parental Rights
The Baker Act was used 211,000 times from July 2018 to June 2019, the most recent period with available data, according to the Baker Act Reporting Center at the University of South Florida.
Who decides what "basic needs" means? It could be determined that the vaccine is a "basic need" and that those that don't take it aren't understanding that they are sick. I stand by my argument that it could be POSSIBLE that this bill could be used against antivaxxers.
As the OP says, this isn't a new bill. And as is able to be found with a little work, has been abused since its implementation in Florida in 1971.

Over 250,000 people were identified and made subject to the parameters of this measure, before this current amendment to it, between 2018 & 2019.
Think about that.

What is important is that it's being amended at this time. When the push for the vaccine is ongoing. When we hear talk about "vaccine passports" in free America, and their being planned in other western countries as well.

These measures are being made public. Biden talked about employers should implement a vaccine policy that amounts to, no shot no job.

Taken from another posters copy from the article.
"However, he does not want to include the right to refuse medication or treatment, like some other states have."

That's pretty clear as to who will have control over a persons choice when put under the authority of this new amendment to the act.

Coupled with Biden talking about job ultimatums with regard to gainful employment.

Look, there are always going to be those who are followers of the systems rules.
"OBEY", and they do.

Dare to think for yourself.
When government tells you they have a law that can take you into custody due to the parameters they dictate with regard to your mental health, pay attention.

Look at what happened at the start of this Plandemuic in America.
Wear a mask. You owe it to yourself and others.
Lockdown. You couldn't go about your normal day unless you fit governments criteria as an "essential worker".
If you weren't that but were outside you could be subject to arrest in some places. Because police will always be considered essential. And why not? They're members of the Executive Branch of government.
Mayor's were on local TV warning the public to stay home.

When that didn't work, they made a public announcement again. Stay home or else.

Now, we have the vaccine. Local governments are paying people in some states if theyll get the shot.

Biden contacted governors in all the 50 states and recommended a payment inducement be announced to their citizens. $100 for each citizen who agrees to get the shot.

What?

We already know that the vaccine doesn't stop infection by the Covid virus. Why the push?

And now Florida proposes this?

Why wouldn't you want to be safe? Why wouldn't you want to protect others?

Ever wonder if the obedient who call conspiracy theory, thinking thst will overcome common sense, got the vaccine?

Every drastic change in governance throughout history of the last 80 years, the citizens of those countries were forewarned of what was coming.
Either outright, by authorities, or by the unmistakable public policies that were being altered snd replaced by more strict rules of law.

Some saw the signs and fled in time. Some stayed because they were persuaded it was all in their head and not possible.

Before Hitler advanced his agenda he told the German people and warned the so called mongrel races occupying the fatherland of his final solution.
And in so many words, he told those non-Aryans to get out now, while the borders were open and transport would allow their exodus.

Those who listened fled and lived.

America has been under a state of emergency for decades. That state is renewed again and again by every sitting president.
Do the work. Look fir, what rights are lost under America's perpetual state if emergency.

Contrary to what was accused, the OP was created to inform people of what is happening in Florida.

Every state has similar laws.
Here's the thing. Because the timing of this amendment to the current law is not a coincidence given the vaccine push.

The vaccine is currently identified as experimental. It's new because mRNA vaccine till now has never entered the public domain anywhere in the world. And mRNA has been researched since the 1980's.

The Nuremberg Rule insures an experimental vaccine cannot be made compulsory, mandated, on the public. The Covid vaccine is experimental for now.

But that can change. All these advertisements out now encouraging people to get the shot.

John Legend, music artist, "This is our shot"

Posters, billboards. "Get the vaccine and get your life back"

We'll pay you, get the shot!

It's our choice. For now.

But, that can change.
That perpetual state of emergency? Coupled with a federal law that was passed during the small pox outbreak in the early 20th century allows federal and state governments to mandate vaccines deemed necessary to insure the public's health.

Can Covid 19 vaccines be mandated and who decides?

During the small pix outbreak, once a vaccine was available, members of the Department of Health would go door to door, pushing ybe pox vaccine mandate. Those who refused could be fined or even jailed. By law.

That law still exists. If a vaccine is mandated today under the law, non-compliance is a violation of the law.

Don't be afraid. Be informed. And be wary of any movement that hopes to intimidate you from thinking for yourself about our current state of affairs during this pandemic.
Once you get any vaccine, your body chemistry is changed forever. It isn't just your immune system that is affected.

When Baltimoreans could be jailed for refusing (small pox) vaccination
 

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Who decides what "basic needs" means? It could be determined that the vaccine is a "basic need" and that those that don't take it aren't understanding that they are sick. I stand by my argument that it could be POSSIBLE that this bill could be used against antivaxxers.
And you're right.