Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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All the elect are saved for spiritual service. Rom 12:1-2
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
The elect are saved to serve Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Dan 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Jn 12:26
If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Salvation turns the elect into servants of righteousness Rom 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
So election is unto service !
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
The elect are saved to serve Ps 22:30
A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Dan 7:14
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Jn 12:26
If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Salvation turns the elect into servants of righteousness Rom 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
So election is unto service !
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The Book of James argues that obedience precedes Salvation. Obedience is part of Salvation.
James 2:21-26
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:21-26
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Yes it is automatic, The elect are saved by Grace unto good works Eph 2:10
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Those good works comprise service to God. See you didn't know what you were doing trying to discount election to salvation by substituting it to election to service. You dint understand that they're synonymous in the economy of Grace. You shot yourself in the foot my friend.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Those good works comprise service to God. See you didn't know what you were doing trying to discount election to salvation by substituting it to election to service. You dint understand that they're synonymous in the economy of Grace. You shot yourself in the foot my friend.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Correct. But that's not what you said.
Well, it's not "automatic". God has chosen all believers to service. From before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4
Just remember that election is not to salvation. It is to service. And God has elected all believers to serve.
No it's not. If it were, there would be NO need for any commands. They would issue automatically.
But because there ARE commands proves that they SHOULD BE obeyed.
v.10 does NOT say works are automatic in any sense. The verse says very clearly that believers are saved IN ORDER to do good works.
How many times must I prove that election is to service? I've already given you very clear verses.
So, a review seems necessary, to jog your memory, or something.
1 cor 1:2 - To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
Rather similar to Eph 1:4 - For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
And being 'called' is equated with being 'elected/chosen' here:
1 Cor 1-
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
In v.26 Paul mentions that they were "called". Then, in the next 2 verses he mentions who God CHOSE (elected) and the PURPOSE for which they were chosen; which is obviously to service.
What you still haven't shared are any verses that election is clearly noted to be for salvation. Yet you continue to believe what you cannot prove.
Rather the head. And not me, but you.
Unless you can find any verse that clearly states that the purpose of election is for salvation.
But you know as well as I that there are no such verses.
However, you are free to believe whatever you want. I prefer to believe what the Bible says.
And it doesn't say what you believe.
Correct. But that's not what you said.
Well, it's not "automatic". God has chosen all believers to service. From before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4
Just remember that election is not to salvation. It is to service. And God has elected all believers to serve.
No it's not. If it were, there would be NO need for any commands. They would issue automatically.
But because there ARE commands proves that they SHOULD BE obeyed.
v.10 does NOT say works are automatic in any sense. The verse says very clearly that believers are saved IN ORDER to do good works.
How many times must I prove that election is to service? I've already given you very clear verses.
So, a review seems necessary, to jog your memory, or something.
1 cor 1:2 - To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
Rather similar to Eph 1:4 - For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
And being 'called' is equated with being 'elected/chosen' here:
1 Cor 1-
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are,
In v.26 Paul mentions that they were "called". Then, in the next 2 verses he mentions who God CHOSE (elected) and the PURPOSE for which they were chosen; which is obviously to service.
What you still haven't shared are any verses that election is clearly noted to be for salvation. Yet you continue to believe what you cannot prove.
Rather the head. And not me, but you.
Unless you can find any verse that clearly states that the purpose of election is for salvation.
But you know as well as I that there are no such verses.
However, you are free to believe whatever you want. I prefer to believe what the Bible says.
And it doesn't say what you believe.
Blessing of Election !
Eph 1:4-7
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hence one of the blessings of election in Christ before the foundation of the world, it is that the chosen ones have been accepted of the Father, hence in a accepted justified state with God the Father; And this again before the foundation of the world, and before Faith in time. God is well pleased with their persons, according as He chose them in Christ before the foundation, and as Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church 1 Cor 1:30
30But of him [God the Father] are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Eph 1:4-7
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hence one of the blessings of election in Christ before the foundation of the world, it is that the chosen ones have been accepted of the Father, hence in a accepted justified state with God the Father; And this again before the foundation of the world, and before Faith in time. God is well pleased with their persons, according as He chose them in Christ before the foundation, and as Paul wrote to the Corinthian Church 1 Cor 1:30
30But of him [God the Father] are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
interesting point. So, if I am elected was I to be saved from something or for something? Am I saved to only miss hell or to help God save others from going to hell? And before may ask how are you helping God save people? God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” 1cor 1:21
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Grandpa said:
Are there any that are elected for Salvation that are NOT elected for service?
If no, then election covers both, salvation and service.
I invite you to prove me wrong by quoting just one verse that SAYS that God elects people unconditionally to salvation.
Should be a simple and easy challenge if you are right.
But an impossible challenge if you are wrong.
Are there any that are elected for Salvation that are NOT elected for service?
If no, then election covers both, salvation and service.
I invite you to prove me wrong by quoting just one verse that SAYS that God elects people unconditionally to salvation.
Should be a simple and easy challenge if you are right.
But an impossible challenge if you are wrong.