“Our kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven”

[Blik]

On earth we have the kingdoms of the world, but we pray for the kingdom of heaven to be on earth.

In Germany Hitler made it clear that they were to choose between listening to God for how they were to live or listening to Hitler, as he even asked them to murder for Germany. Many chose Hitler over God.

Do you think we are given choices today that means we choose the kingdom of the world or the Kingdom of God?’ Thank the Lord no choice is that extreme, but are there choices we make in our world today?

Perhaps you could tell us what you think the difference is between the kingdom of the world and the kingdom of God.

 

[Icedaisey]

I'd be interested in the proofs available that sustain this part of your post:
"In Germany Hitler made it clear that they were to choose between listening to God for how they were to live or listening to Hitler, as he even asked them to murder for Germany. Many chose Hitler over God."

In Hitler's Mein Kampf, he said he believed himself to be an instrument of God.

And during his stint as Fueher, often boasted his policies and pursuits were in service to Christ.

With regard to your kingdoms question. As I see it the scriptures insure there is really no difference to be had between the kingdom of God and those of earth.

"...thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

Join that with the passage that informs us we are to obey our leaders, those put in power, authority, over us, because they are chosen by God, and clearly we are to understand all is as the invocation imparts.

God's will is being done on earth. As God wills also that which is done in heaven.

How often have you encountered the response, when reading someone ask how could God do this or that to people, "he's God. He can do whatever he likes to his creation." ?

God understands that. He's God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

On earth we have the kingdoms of the world, but we pray for the kingdom of heaven to be on earth.

In Germany Hitler made it clear that they were to choose between listening to God for how they were to live or listening to Hitler, as he even asked them to murder for Germany. Many chose Hitler over God.

Do you think we are given choices today that means we choose the kingdom of the world or the Kingdom of God?’ Thank the Lord no choice is that extreme, but are there choices we make in our world today?

Perhaps you could tell us what you think the difference is between the kingdom of the world and the kingdom of God.

the king is the difference of Jesus is our lord and king we belong to the kingdom of God

if we or another man is our king and lord , we belong to the world
The kingdom of God came to earth with jesus and then he took it into heaven and sent forth his spirit to those on earth who believe the gospel of his kingdom

 

[Blik]

the king is the difference of Jesus is our lord and king we belong to the kingdom of God

if we or another man is our king and lord , we belong to the world
The kingdom of God came to earth with jesus and then he took it into heaven and sent forth his spirit to those on earth who believe the gospel of his kingdom

The world pulls us one way and scripture tells us the world is opposed to God. How can we tell what is of God and what is of the world? The world gives us our entertainment, our livelihood, our luxuries. Surely God wants us to choose from all this what is of God, how can we choose within God's will?

Members of the church of the apostles chose as a group. They chose to live simply and not to accept the entertainments of the world. Were they wrong and today's church right?

 

[mindfulzen]

There is no kingdom on earth. There is no king. You would need a global empire to have a kingdom. You have factions only, and none will ever win., eternal fight As the good book says. The world is just a place we wander to qualify for the next, or fail. Hitler used religion, and was a drugfaddict, I would not take him to seriously. Just live your life, repay the love you get, do what is right, you will be fine. Do not overcomplicate things. The outcome should not matter too much, if it overwhelms you, your faith is not there.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The world pulls us one way and scripture tells us the world is opposed to God. How can we tell what is of God and what is of the world? The world gives us our entertainment, our livelihood, our luxuries. Surely God wants us to choose from all this what is of God, how can we choose within God's will?

Members of the church of the apostles chose as a group. They chose to live simply and not to accept the entertainments of the world. Were they wrong and today's church right?

that is revelation, your are speaking what many cannot see look at revelation 12 , and 13

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There is no kingdom on earth. There is no king. You would need a global empire to have a kingdom. You have factions only, and none will ever win., eternal fight As the good book says. The world is just a place we wander to qualify for the next, or fail. Hitler used religion, and was a drugfaddict, I would not take him to seriously. Just live your life, repay the love you get, do what is right, you will be fine. Do not overcomplicate things. The outcome should not matter too much, if it overwhelms you, your faith is not there.

the king

“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the kingdom

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:21‬ ‭

how he and it arrived there

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s only absent and he is only absent if we are looking at the wrong kingdom

 

[Blik]

There is no kingdom on earth. There is no king. You would need a global empire to have a kingdom. You have factions only, and none will ever win., eternal fight As the good book says. The world is just a place we wander to qualify for the next, or fail. Hitler used religion, and was a drugfaddict, I would not take him to seriously. Just live your life, repay the love you get, do what is right, you will be fine. Do not overcomplicate things. The outcome should not matter too much, if it overwhelms you, your faith is not there.

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The world pulls us one way and scripture tells us the world is opposed to God. How can we tell what is of God and what is of the world? The world gives us our entertainment, our livelihood, our luxuries. Surely God wants us to choose from all this what is of God, how can we choose within God's will?

Members of the church of the apostles chose as a group. They chose to live simply and not to accept the entertainments of the world. Were they wrong and today's church right?

“Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭

the gospel is what purifies our conscience and mind it imparts the right judgement to our soul and spirit within that’s what I believe anyways so what I mean is if we keep this commandment within our mind as the truth

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it becomes purifier of the true issue that makes us unclean and corrupt

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so what I mean is this heart doesn’t ever become pure in this kind of world filled with lists and temptations everywhere no matter what if we don’t purify this

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satan corrupted man in that place infiltrating our heart and mind . That’s us the world pulls us on the wrong direction we are sinners at our core . The gospel doctrine addresses what’s in us in our heart that makes us impure

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s why his teachings are aimed at our internal issues lust, pride, unforgiveness and grudge bearing , wrath and revenge , greed and idolatry ect

the issue is. Ot the thkngs in the world it’s the hearts of people in the world constantly pulled into those sinful lists and desires and perversions excess and possessions vanity

if we have the gospel in us ot is going to make our lists die out as we carry it in our faith and patience , pride is severed in the presence of God , grudges are shattered by his commandment of forgiveness and mercy for the merciful and forgiving we learn not to look at others with an umpire heart and intent knowing Christ lives within us and we have his circumcision to remove those evils from our heart

so then a man with a pure heart , he is going to drink a glass of wine with dinner, but a man full of list for excess is going to have poor jidgement and drink a bottle or three .

it isn’t the wine that’s bad or good , it is the person and how they use it because of what shape thier heart is in

our issue is baked in through the ages , the gospel is the two edged sword to t corrects our heart and cuts away what doesn’t belong

so what changes is that push and pull because his right judgements become part of our hearts and the wrong lists and things are cut away by the same doctrines that are internal

“ adultery of The heart, pride , self righteousness , greed , envy unforgiveness ect

the internal issues that made us sinners needs to be put to the cross of the gospel doctrines and then our hearts can be raised up in the gospel doctrine for Thy e born again and having our hearts created in his will Thy at lasts forever as the lists of the world have been crucified through hearing and believing his teachings
They are soirit meant to go into our faith and belief and remain there until they cut away the flesh

 

[TMS]

It's all about the heart. The world is evil but we can still live for Jesus. The kingdom of this world is one of sinful and selfish motives. The kingdom of heaven is what we see in Jesus and we can let that kingdom shine out in our lives each day.

When the saved walk in the kingdom of God it will be without sin, zero sin. God's kingdom is perfect, He does not rule a compromised kingdom.

 

[pottersclay]

Despite all the things you hear on the news, all the things you see happening in your cities and towns.
God himself shall rule on this earth in the end.
It shall be of the more surer word of prophecy he has spoken it he shall do it.
This evil this chaos is controlled by the Lord himself to reveal the hearts of men and expose their wicked ways.
Remembering we are not of this world but are in it for a purpose.
God would not have you to be born in these exciting yet dreadful times unless he were also to enable you to do his good pleasure.
Seek the Lord while he may be found, ask of him and he will answer. We are to be a holy people, a peculiar people.
The lights that are upon a hill for everyone to see.
Darkness is not the opposite of light but it exist from the lack of light.
Peace is not the opposite of war but the acceptance of it.
The word of the Lord was given that we might have faith so let's begin by having faith in the word of the Lord.
Be cautious that your hearts do not wax cold, guard your hearts, your eyes, your thoughts, faint not in well doing.
Prepare the way of the Lord, your King, your God, for he stands at the door.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is incumbent upon all who believe to realize there will be a new Heaen and a new earth. All things of this age will no longer be.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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It is incumbent upon all who believe to realize there will be a new Heaen and a new earth. All things of this age will no longer be.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭102:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the book of Hebrews puts it beautifully the natural things we see and know , are like a poor reflection of what is in heaven, the spiritual world that this earth is patterned after.

ot puts it as of the temporal things , the natural are crumbling away and at the end all at once ot will all fall away and be forgotten the state we’re in now , but like our bodies the natural body dies and is eventually turned to dust as of it never existed , but our spiritual body is raised to life and is eternal and without corruption

my own opinion not everyone’s but I believe it’s going to happen that the present world is destroyed with fire like it was with water to cleanse the earth of mans sinfulness , and then afterwards the things in heaven will restore and make new the earth as it was intended to be in the beginning before we corrupted it all

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t think that this evil world will ever be remembered or restored but that he is going to restore his creation from the beginning when he dwelt on earth with man and fellowshipped with him

like he says we die and are raised up in glory I think the earth will go through the same process being made new just as our former sinful lives aren’t remembered and are no more somehow earth will be restored he’s returning with restitution

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬
the evil world we made of his good creation will never rise again or be remembered[/QUOTE]

 

[Blik]

“Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭

the gospel is what purifies our conscience and mind it imparts the right judgement to our soul and spirit within that’s what I believe anyways so what I mean is if we keep this commandment within our mind as the truth

“But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it becomes purifier of the true issue that makes us unclean and corrupt

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so what I mean is this heart doesn’t ever become pure in this kind of world filled with lists and temptations everywhere no matter what if we don’t purify this

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satan corrupted man in that place infiltrating our heart and mind . That’s us the world pulls us on the wrong direction we are sinners at our core . The gospel doctrine addresses what’s in us in our heart that makes us impure

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s why his teachings are aimed at our internal issues lust, pride, unforgiveness and grudge bearing , wrath and revenge , greed and idolatry ect

the issue is. Ot the thkngs in the world it’s the hearts of people in the world constantly pulled into those sinful lists and desires and perversions excess and possessions vanity

if we have the gospel in us ot is going to make our lists die out as we carry it in our faith and patience , pride is severed in the presence of God , grudges are shattered by his commandment of forgiveness and mercy for the merciful and forgiving we learn not to look at others with an umpire heart and intent knowing Christ lives within us and we have his circumcision to remove those evils from our heart

so then a man with a pure heart , he is going to drink a glass of wine with dinner, but a man full of list for excess is going to have poor jidgement and drink a bottle or three .

it isn’t the wine that’s bad or good , it is the person and how they use it because of what shape thier heart is in

our issue is baked in through the ages , the gospel is the two edged sword to t corrects our heart and cuts away what doesn’t belong

so what changes is that push and pull because his right judgements become part of our hearts and the wrong lists and things are cut away by the same doctrines that are internal

“ adultery of The heart, pride , self righteousness , greed , envy unforgiveness ect

the internal issues that made us sinners needs to be put to the cross of the gospel doctrines and then our hearts can be raised up in the gospel doctrine for Thy e born again and having our hearts created in his will Thy at lasts forever as the lists of the world have been crucified through hearing and believing his teachings
They are soirit meant to go into our faith and belief and remain there until they cut away the flesh

Christ took care of all this, for it is our will not to sin that Christ asks of us. Christ said to repent, that is giving our will to Christ and living with Christ within. We can't want sin and want Christ, but we are forgiven any sin we commit, even sin we don't recognize, through what Christ did for us. Our sins are not even just forgiven, but in the eyes of Christ they are forgotten, we are made as if we are righteous even though we are mortal. We have to pay the price of our sin in this world, but in the heavenly realm they are gone.

If we have robbed a bank but repent, we still have to go to jail but in the kingdom it is as if we hadn't robbed the bank.

 

[Aaron56]

Do you think we are given choices today that means we choose the kingdom of the world or the Kingdom of God?’ Thank the Lord no choice is that extreme, but are there choices we make in our world today?

Perhaps you could tell us what you think the difference is between the kingdom of the world and the kingdom of God.

Yes. The most untold story of World War II is how a white, nuclear family oriented, church-going, industrial nation rose up in support of a tyrannical, genocidal, and war-mongering government.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Christ took care of all this, for it is our will not to sin that Christ asks of us. Christ said to repent, that is giving our will to Christ and living with Christ within. We can't want sin and want Christ, but we are forgiven any sin we commit, even sin we don't recognize, through what Christ did for us. Our sins are not even just forgiven, but in the eyes of Christ they are forgotten, we are made as if we are righteous even though we are mortal. We have to pay the price of our sin in this world, but in the heavenly realm they are gone.

If we have robbed a bank but repent, we still have to go to jail but in the kingdom it is as if we hadn't robbed the bank.

yeah but my point is how does this make us feel like we are sinless and have the proper Will in sight of the lords light ?

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-31, 33-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see what I mean ? We can’t measure Christ by Ten Commandments that say don’t do this , don’t do this , don’t do this or you must be put to death

that’s for these folk

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Blik]

It's all about the heart. The world is evil but we can still live for Jesus. The kingdom of this world is one of sinful and selfish motives. The kingdom of heaven is what we see in Jesus and we can let that kingdom shine out in our lives each day.

When the saved walk in the kingdom of God it will be without sin, zero sin. God's kingdom is perfect, He does not rule a compromised kingdom.

Christ made it possible for our sinful nature to live in the kingdom even though it is impossible for us to be perfect. Christ asks that we give our will over to Him, to repent of sin and Christ will take care of even the sin we do not know we are committing with the free gift of forgiveness. It is as if we never sinned, it is even forgotten.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Christ made it possible for our sinful nature to live in the kingdom even though it is impossible for us to be perfect. Christ asks that we give our will over to Him, to repent of sin and Christ will take care of even the sin we do not know we are committing with the free gift of forgiveness. It is as if we never sinned, it is even forgotten.

Amen perfectly said
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

repentance and remission will be preached in his name until the end

 

[Blik]

yeah but my point is how does this make us feel like we are sinless and have the proper Will in sight of the lords light ?

Scripture tells us it is up to us to give our will over to Christ, it is Christ within we live through, not what we do without Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Scripture tells us it is up to us to give our will over to Christ, it is Christ within we live through, not what we do without Christ.

what about the gospel of the kingdom though aren’t we called to believe the gospel and word of Gkd as part of the covenant ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his doctrine isn’t like the law we don’t look at it like a list of rules the doctrine is to be accepted into our belief knowing it’s his truth and word . It’s that process that makes change within us if we don’t move from the law we can never please God we have a much better and much more saving law that imparts faith to the hearer saying “ believe and follow me “ it’s why Paul tells us this is perfection on Christ he sets a heavenly goal for us in his doctrine me out Life becomes about following after and pressing forth into his truth and righteousness

“And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭3:9-10, 12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t have to get oerfect we have to be willing to become disciples of the lord on order to enter into his kingdom we have to believe the gospel of his kingdom and then let his word fix our issues like greed , pride , lust , unforgiveness , revenge ect it goes as deep as we can go with him but it’s not there to condemn us it’s there to lift us out of the mire and out from under a law made for the dead