Poll on faith without works

[seed_time_harvest]

Both James and Hebrews have passages about "Faith without works is dead". Personally I do not believe in being chosen. To me, it is a choice.

James was talking to men about faith In action that If they had genuine faith they would show It through works and not just talk about It.IMO that's what faith Without works means.Faith without works Is dead to Men.IOW how can a man show he has faith Without doing righteous works which of course will be rewarded at the judgement seat of CHRIST.
James 2:18
King James Version

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works

 

[Stormela]

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amen God changes us into those learning to walk we may not jog or run right away but the changes are not possible to Keep to ourselves

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬

it’s the old Man v the new creation in Christ prepared to start taking the steps

Thank you Pilgrim for sharing the scriptures, especially Ephesians. I'm trying to study and understand scripture as much as I can with God's guidance and the help of others. God Bless you and yours

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Poster # 8 is a she and she/I said the thief wasn't saved by works.

However, he did actually do a work. He testified in front of others standing there that Jesus is Lord... I'm not sure what the misunderstanding is with some of you?

The misunderstanding Is that the question Is not Is faith Without works dead to men the question Is Is faith Without works dead to GOD?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It's crazy... I mean, If this guy had believed Jesus was god, but kept his mouth shut, thinking "oh, It's all right now, this guy will save me" instead of rebuking the other guy and asking Jesus to remember him... would he still end up in paradise?

IMO Yes he would have still been saved because GOD looks at the heart men look at outward appearances.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Why do you folks want to fight this so hard? It is not difficult...we can do nothing on our own....but IF we have put faith in Jesus and trust in him then his works will follow....He will work in and through us.

As the body without the spirit is dead....so is our faith if we don't believe that Jesus is working in and through us to do the will of the Father.

Is faith without works dead to GOD?
Is faith without works dead to men?

I agree that If the person Is born again they Will do good righteous works but can you answer those two questions separately?
John 3:4-7
King James Version

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No not at all. When the thief on the cross came into the equation, I had to pause for a minute and discussed it with my husband because I really do believe that through faith, we will do works, we can't help it if we are true believers, so the thief threw me off. He reminded me of the witnessing of the thief, there it is, he couldn't help it.

You are misunderstanding the question, the question Is not about men, although men WILL do good works If they are born again but the question Is Is faith Without works dead to GOD?

 

[AnnG]

So you would agree that JESUS did the work so that all who Believe In HIM should not perish but have Everlasting life so then so then you believe that faith Without doing any work Is alive to GOD but faith Without doing works Is dead to men?

Where is, faith Without doing works Is dead to men? in the poll

 

[seed_time_harvest]

No not at all. When the thief on the cross came into the equation, I had to pause for a minute and discussed it with my husband because I really do believe that through faith, we will do works, we can't help it if we are true believers, so the thief threw me off. He reminded me of the witnessing of the thief, there it is, he couldn't help it.

You believe that faith Is dead to GOD without works?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I checked the box “other “ Thy at you provided

well
I think you added that look at your name brother “ seed time and harvest “ Thats more what I said 😍

Do you believe man has to do works before GOD will recognize his faith?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

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amen God changes us into those learning to walk we may not jog or run right away but the changes are not possible to Keep to ourselves

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬

it’s the old Man v the new creation in Christ prepared to start taking the steps

I'm starting to think no one understands the question.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Where is, faith Without doing works Is dead to men? in the poll

Exactly.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you Pilgrim for sharing the scriptures, especially Ephesians. I'm trying to study and understand scripture as much as I can with God's guidance and the help of others. God Bless you and yours

yes amen that’s what I’m doing also !! Honestly I think that’s where we find faith in the pursuit of knowing him the word of God


Ephesians is a wonderful letter , Paul is such an eloquent writer expressing the gospel.

God bless your endeavors and remember to ask him to give you understanding as you pursue it , that’s a request he always honors in abundance

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Do you believe man has to do works before GOD will recognize his faith?

I think you are not willing to accept the fact that faith leads us to a place where we don’t have an issue walking in the works of Christ not the law of Moses , but the works Christ teaches us. Those works are rooted in love

I think that faith isn’t going to be set against doing the things God said we are made to do and if we can get to a point where we let those things. Evoke part of our faith then we don’t have to look at it like “ do we really have to do anything ?”

but faith is like a seed and if we allow time and persevere in belief of what he’s said in the gospel those works become part of who we are being made into

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm starting to think no one understands the question.

why did you offer the option “ other “ ?

it seems like you want to control the question and answer but why not just post a statement saying what you already think of that’s the case ?

I’m sorry for intruding on your thread I took it as asking others what they thought and that was why you added “ other “ so someone might not have to answer a strictly controlled yes or no question that doesn’t really answer anything in my view you should look at it this way

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you accept that it’s a good thing to allow for believers doing the works we’re taught about “ helping others in need when we are able , forgiving others who harm or sin against us , being merciful and actually treating others as they are our dear family in need ….

then you may not look at it like “ those works aren’t necassary “ I can tell you that Gods son didn’t suffer so we can reject the thkngs he taught . If you let the idea on that doing good works are a good thing in Gods sight you will realize there is no works v no works issue just let the lord make you into who he wills you to be someone who has zeal
For doing good don’t make it about what’s required and necassary or not required or necassary it’s just part of the plan to make us into better people who care for others in truth

Jesus has salvstion worked out already but we can’t reject what he’s said for us to learn and do and walk in faith thats worth considering

 

[HisKid]

Well, I haven't memorized all of it yet. I still need to read and study it everyday.

Yes, I read every day as well.

 

[John146]

Do you believe man has to do works before GOD will recognize his faith?

nope, the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal (Holy Spirit) the Lord knoweth them that are his.

 

[John146]

You are misunderstanding the question, the question Is not about men, although men WILL do good works If they are born again but the question Is Is faith Without works dead to GOD?

Yes, to the Jew during the tribulation...according to James. It is not wise to try and fit Hames into Paul’s writings.

 

[mailmandan]

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

We need to remember that James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

 

[Gideon300]

I was wondering what the majority of the community thought about this question.

We need to be careful about how we view faith and works. Some people make a blanket distinction which is not warranted. It is possible to have faith in some areas and not in others. One person might have total confidence in God's healing power and never take medicine or go to a doctor. I met a man whose son was terminally ill with cancer. The son was lead singer for a Christian band. He was so sick that an industry magazine reported him dead. Until got up on stage and performed, that is.

I don't have that kind of faith. The young man never wavered. He had a gift of faith from God. Some people claim to believe God's word. When it comes to the issue of giving, they are quick to excuse themselves. Their supposed faith is demonstrably false in that area.

Faith covers all the areas of life as a Christian. No one is perfect in faith. The best approach is to be honest with others, yourself and with God. If you have a problem trusting God in an area, tell Him. He knows anyway. He can set you free by revelation - the truth sets us free. Don't be condemned. "I believe, help my unbelief" is something that God will hear. God is not some kind of tyrant withholding His blessings until we are perfect. He is merciful and gracious, loving and kind.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, to the Jew during the tribulation...according to James. It is not wise to try and fit Hames into Paul’s writings.

it’s even less wise to try to exalt Paul the servant of Jesus and ignore Jesus the lords words and his other apostles who were brothers and partners with Paul spreading the same gospel to the same lost world beginning at jerusalem and seperate jew from gentile as if they are saved two different ways

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Paul was yet named Saul of tarsus when the apostles were commanded to do this , he was still a Pharisee not yet converted to the church setting about to destroy the gospel .

and it seems they were all writing to the same church

“Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:14-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aeems Paul was also writing to Gentiles and Jews whoever joined the church same as Peter his brother in apostleship