Saved by Water

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Kidron said:
Jesus said that Satan is the Father of the Lie.
"lying" is of the Devil,.........His nature is lying, and lust, and hate, and rebellion.

""""In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of people which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.""""

His "ministers", sound like christians. That is how they deceive you.
They talk about "Christian stuff", and they look nice in church, and they smile at you from the Pulpit, while they deny Christ on the Cross, by trying to replace Him with Water and WORKS.
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I agree
he still does not force people. People do what they want that’s why they are so easily duped
 
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Funny how mr water himself could not answer my question and just gave a thumbs down

What a joke
 
FreeGrace2 said:
First, there is no such thing as an "infilling of the Holy Spirit". There is an indwelling and there is the filling, which is different. Which did you mean by the conflated word that you used?

Second, NO believer from Adam on received the Holy Spirit upon believing in the Messiah, UNTIL the Day of Pentecost. It's all in Acts 2. Initially, only Jews received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon faith in Christ immediately. In Acts 8 Gentiles had hands laid on them after they believed in order to receive the Holy Spirit.
Wansvic said:
You really should take the time to read the posts before responding.
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lol. How could I have corrected your made up word if I hadn't read your post?

Again, there is no such thing as the "infilling" of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you could edit your own posts before sharing.
 
Wansvic said:
Notice what the writer of Hebrews has to say about the foundational components:


"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2 KJV
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Dou you really understand that verse you wrote?
Keep reading it until the Spirit teaches you the pearl of truth there!
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
What are you referring to? What does "whole world" mean to you?
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Clearly not everyone in the word is being deceived by the devil. The term "whole world" is an exaggeration better expressed by majority. And as the word states broad is the way that leads unto destruction. And straight is the gate and narrow is the way and FEW there be that find it.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
FreeGrace2 said:
First, there is no such thing as an "infilling of the Holy Spirit". There is an indwelling and there is the filling, which is different. Which did you mean by the conflated word that you used?

Second, NO believer from Adam on received the Holy Spirit upon believing in the Messiah, UNTIL the Day of Pentecost. It's all in Acts 2. Initially, only Jews received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon faith in Christ immediately. In Acts 8 Gentiles had hands laid on them after they believed in order to receive the Holy Spirit.

lol. How could I have corrected your made up word if I hadn't read your post?

Again, there is no such thing as the "infilling" of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you could edit your own posts before sharing.
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To be indwelt is to be infilled by the Holy Ghost. You've stated there is a difference before. I just don't agree. Don't know why you make a big deal about it.

My point about reading the post before responding had nothing to do with that point.
 
Wansvic said:
You really should take the time to read the posts before responding.
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you talking to invisible people again?

I can just see that finger wagging at someone

I guess a little self indulgence on your part is acceptable but not corners. no one likes to stand in the corner
 
Wansvic said:
I do not
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fixed it for yah. n/c too

ain't I generous?


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Wansvic said:
Notice what the writer of Hebrews has to say about the foundational components:


"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2 KJV
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Btw:
HEB.6:-5 And this we will do ( laying aside those religious symbols, baptisms,laying on of hands,raising the dead ECT ) if God permit.For it is impossible for THOSE who were ONCE enlightened,and have TASTED of the HEAVENLY GIFT,AND WERE MADE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,and have TASTED the GOOD WORD OF God and the POWERS of the world to come,

The FOUNDATION is Jesus and his shed blood,then we follow his commands to keep building on that sure foundation JESUS. We leave the symbolic acts behind ( for there is much greater) having been filled with the Holy Ghost ( Acts 2:1-4 ) we continue to press's toward the mark.
God has a plan for each of us,some obey some not so much!
If you stagnate at the first fruits of repentance you are not moving forward or growing .
Jesus' sacrifice was ALL,ALL,ALL,ALL that is required to be forgiven !!!!!!!
 
Wansvic said:
No one is saved without having their sins remitted.
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true

but yourself and mr wonderful think it is by water...hope you use a good deodorant type soap

the rest of us say that is not true

interestingly, the Bible says that is not true

“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. no water...all God's doing, why? BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO FOR HIS OWN SAKE which sounds like what we call grace Isaiah 43:25


4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2


In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight Ephesians 1:7-8

how are we saved?

THROUGH JESUS BLOOD.

but you ride that lie about water right to the bitter end while telling others they are not saved.

you tell others to read a verse and compare verses and go on about your integrity and you are pointedly and completely wrong and you will never admit it short of an intervention by God Himself. sadly though, it is my experience that having gone down this error over and over and over in your mind, you have created deep ruts of deception that you need help to climb out of

God can do this for you. You don't even have to apologize to anyone. Although once you are set free from the deception of believing in water regeneration, you probably will want to do that anyway.
 
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Our minds belong to us. We get to make choices and live and deal with the consequences.No that's a false witness.u must fight 4 your mind.we r insane=sin we must fight 2 take our thought captive 2 Corinthians 10:5
 
Wansvic said:
Instead of casting insults you may want to spend some time in prayer and study the scriptures presented.
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Your theory has been tested and rebuked. I needn't spend any time posting Scripture upon Scripture to refute your heresy as many here have already done, adnauseum, and you reject it. Perhaps some time in prayer would do you some good.
 
rayzor said:
Our minds belong to us. We get to make choices and live and deal with the consequences.No that's a false witness.u must fight 4 your mind.we r insane=sin we must fight 2 take our thought captive 2 Corinthians 10:5
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how do you fight?

do you know how to 'reset' your thoughts?

hint: it's in the Bible

but even that is a choice....we are each responsible according to the Bible

in other words, 'the devil made me do it' ain't gonna fly with God
 
Wansvic said:
Why not address the scripture presented?

Also, as I have said many times, water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is one essential part of the rebirth experience. Without the remission of one's personal sins there is no hope of gaining entrance into the kingdom of God.
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I thank God that Jesus shed his blood for me and now I am white as snow in God's sight because I am covered by the blood of Jesus.

You've said many things many times and they still aren't true.
 
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